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It’s a different type of allegation and investigation, but there is a ton of evidence in the Robbi case.

For example, the public found that:

1) Rip and Robbi did not disclose that they were partners;

2) Rip bought in for the minimum but staked Robbi a huge stack in a nosebleed game full of pros like Ivey and GE, despite her later admission to being a total amateur;

3) Rip and Robbi were mouthing stuff to each other;

4) Robbi changed her story and contradicted herself repeatedly, after playing a hand in such a bizarre way that a seasoned top pro felt he had to say something;

5) HCL hired a criminal for its booth;

6) That criminal rearranged the booth so he could not be viewed by the one camera in there;

7) That criminal took what looked like his “cut” from Robbi’s stack after the hand;

8) Robbi posted what many read as a fake message to her from the criminal, apologizing, full of the same rare verbal tells and spelling she uses herself;

9) Robbi gave back a six figure pot, something an innocent player would never do.

Among other things.

The investigation found:

A) There were multiple security flaws in the game setup that cheaters could exploit;

B) But due to the crudeness of their operation, and lack of key data to validate, they could not say for sure if these were in fact exploited.
So, they did all this, and on review, the only hand that looked suspect was this one? They know everything is being recorded, and this is the hand they decided to cheat on?

To me, it looks like shady people doing shady things. Not letting people know she was staked is really shady. It has always seemed to me that the most likely explanation is she was thinking she had J-3, and being too embarrassed to admit it right away. On the other hand, if you only ever looked for the most likely explanation, you would never catch anyone cheating!
 
So, they did all this, and on review, the only hand that looked suspect was this one? They know everything is being recorded, and this is the hand they decided to cheat on?

To me, it looks like shady people doing shady things. Not letting people know she was staked is really shady. It has always seemed to me that the most likely explanation is she was thinking she had J-3, and being too embarrassed to admit it right away. On the other hand, if you only ever looked for the most likely explanation, you would never catch anyone cheating!

I don’t know whether others have reviewed every hand she played. Proabably some podcaster has. I have mainly just listened to Berkey’s commentary since the first couple of days, since he seemed the most tech-savvy and fair of the many commentators.

As I recall however, it has been pointed out that incredibly, Robbi never had a losing session at HCL prior to the controversy.

That’s pretty improbable for an amateur... whose excuses for the J4o play included the claim that she didn’t really know poker that well and did not fully understand what she was doing.

What are the chances that someone like that never loses money going up against the likes of Ivey, Dwan, DGAF and Garrett... or even just some average experienced regs at those stakes?
 
P.S. People seem to be trying to apply the narrow standards of a court of law to what is essentially just a community debate: Do you think she cheated or not?

There are many crimes which can’t be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt in court, even when the whole world knows exactly who is guilty. (Ever heard of O.J. Simpson?)

There are also crimes where the prosecution cannot produce a smoking gun piece of evidence, but they get a conviction because the circumstantial evidence and demonstrable motives combine to overcome the preference for definitive proof.

All that said...

We’re not in court. It’s not our task to apply recondite legal standards.

We’re just poker players debating the available facts, and making our own judgements based on playing experience, common sense, and the preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

For that matter, it’s also not HCL’s job to play the part of judge and jury. Rather, they have a responsibility to host a clean game. They can apply any standards they want, though it appears to me they care more about appearances than being consistent, tough or sensible.

Anyway: Based on everything I’ve seen and read, if Robbi/Rip pulled something like that in the game I host, they’d get booted. It’s all way too weird and sketchy. A host has a responsibility to ensure that his regs are competing on a level playing field. There is way too much smoke and fire around RJL to let her into even a small stakes game.
 
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Aaron zang looks like he is sitting with 4 racks of 5k behind…tonight’s stream might be legendary
 
It sucks when they advertise a hot lineup and the players don't show.

Persson vs Hanks is action city. Hoping that Keating rolls in late again. Maybe Eric decided that he needed a break this week after taking some large losses.

I didn't expect to see Handz show up either, but would rather watch Persson.

So high stakes cash games are like herding cats?
 
Anyone know what Keating was referring to when talking about a recent Poker Go game he was playing? No Gamble No Future game?

Something about wandering off to play baccarat and the table refusing to play until he returned, and dropping like $800k+ in the game?
 
Now they have Krish involved in the hand signaling and fake pots theory.
(Love the thumbnail choice :sneaky:)

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So based on DGAF's commentary on the Vertucci show (that they are striving to provide entertainment content unlike other poker stream venues) are we to believe that HCL is actually a new version of a reality show?
 
Now they have Krish involved in the hand signaling and fake pots theory.
(Love the thumbnail choice :sneaky:)

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So based on DGAF's commentary on the Vertucci show (that they are striving to provide entertainment content unlike other poker stream venues) are we to believe that HCL is actually a new version of a reality show?

If they can only decipher what NAGB stands for they will get to the bottom of this!

Yeah, it's kinda crazy they think it would be possible to get THAT many people staying quiet about fake pots for show
 
If they can only decipher what NAGB stands for they will get to the bottom of this!

Yeah, it's kinda crazy they think it would be possible to get THAT many people staying quiet about fake pots for show
I would have to agree, but then again, Full Tilt Poker.....

Conspiracy theories abound from cold-decking to collusion:
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I would have to agree, but then again, Full Tilt Poker.....

Conspiracy theories abound from cold-decking to collusion:
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FWIW, I think there was definitely fuckery involved with the whole Robbi situation.

But the ridiculous number of people they're trying to implement in the "one-finger, two-finger" signaling conspiracy seems to be a stretch for me. As they say, three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. I have a hard time believing THAT many people are supposed to be involved in this cheating ring.
 
Feel like I’m watching Kardashians trying to keep up with this HCL drama between Persson and Mr Dr Batman. Two grown men acting like children.
Vertucci had a live podcast today where Persson basically said he was flexing because they (HCL Chat Moderator) was deleting his chat posts responding to the needles aimed at Persson. :LOL: :laugh:
 
I’m ashamed that I watched that for about 30 minutes.
You should be. I can’t help it if he’s on a stream that I’m watching, but if he’s a guest on a show, you bet I’m not watching that loudmouth Ron Perlman looking asshole.
 
Vertucci had a live podcast today where Persson basically said he was flexing because they (HCL Chat Moderator) was deleting his chat posts responding to the needles aimed at Persson. :LOL: :laugh:
Easiest way to keep getting $100 dono’s: Keep deleting them!
 
Had a feeling he wouldn't resist.

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Also, supposedly Vertucci on his podcast with Estefari stated things would have to be discussed behind the scenes before allowing either Garret or Robbi back.
He's seeing the whales that have been on the streams recently and is licking his chops. He's won just over a million since the Hustler stream started. He sees a chance to double this amount and then some.
 

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