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Hmmm, the plot thickens as on 2+2 they're reporting Rips wife has been posting some vague stuff on Twitter, then her account was deleted, she brought it back and now it's deleted again...

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Anthony Martino said:
Hmmm, the plot thickens as on 2+2 they're reporting Rips wife has been posting some vague stuff on Twitter, then her account was deleted, she brought it back and now it's deleted again...

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1.1 markup?!?!?!?!? I want what ever she’s on.
 
Anthony Martino said:
Hmmm, the plot thickens as on 2+2 they're reporting Rips wife has been posting some vague stuff on Twitter, then her account was deleted, she brought it back and now it's deleted again...
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Look like the account got hacked and RIP's Wife reported the account got hack and Twitter temp suspended the account
 
Anyone see that LATB hand just now? Eric Persson went absolutely ham with the flat tire on ten high flop. Top set did not fold obviously. There was a 5% chance for a ridiculous suck out for $800k, but unfortunately top set held. One can only imagine the conspiracies that could have brewed. Tough beat for all of us.
 
Frogzilla said:
Anyone see that LATB hand just now? Eric Persson went absolutely ham with the flat tire on ten high flop. Top set did not fold obviously. There was a 5% chance for a ridiculous suck out for $800k, but unfortunately top set held. One can only imagine the conspiracies that could have brewed. Tough beat for all of us.
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I tried watching the newer LATB stream with Persson and Helmuth, etc. Compared to the HCL stream, it was hard to watch.
It seemed like the action and the graphics had significant delays and just the overall camera work, etc.. was inferior to HCL.

Nice to see the high stakes players coming back to HCL next week. (Keating, JR, Hanks, etc...)
 
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eightyWon said:
have we gotten @Anthony Martino's opinion on nipplegate yet?
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I was watching when that happened and it made me laugh. Raver’s commentary had me in stitches. “The floorman is coming to give his 2nd and final warning....per casino standard if she doesn't listen then 6 or possibly 7 more final warnings will be issued. Let's hope it doesn't come to that”
 
Just catching up on the investigation announcement... I can’t wade through every comment, so some of these observations will be redundant I’m sure, but:
  1. HCL frames their findings as “we didn’t find any conclusive evidence” and that seems kind of weaselly. It allows HCL to take a victory lap while leaving themselves an out in case something damning emerges later. It’s a much different statement than declaring “Robbi is innocent.”
  2. If you read the whole report, the investigators actually write that it is “inconclusive” whether cheating occurred. Again, that’s very different than clearing the alleged cheaters.
  3. Was anyone really expecting HCL and its team to find new and “conclusive” evidence? The investigation didn’t start until a few weeks after the hand was played. 98% of everything that was going to be known had already been discovered by then by people in the game, commentators and members of the public. The one new thing I saw was that they found Bryan stole another $5,000 from HCL in addition to the 15K palmed off Robbi’s stack.
  4. The nature of the alleged cheating was such that really only a confession would be truly “conclusive.” Even if, for example, a store receipt turned up showing that Robbi, Rip or Bryan purchased a set of transmitters, that would still be circumstantial (though damning).
  5. So the main new information in the report has to do with relatively obscure computer/security flaws, not anything really to do with Robbi et al. They don’t really discuss the suspiciousness of the gameplay. And apparently (per Berkey) the decks themselves were not even inspected for marks, invisible ink, or other known methods of marking cards.
  6. Their framing also allows HCL to dodge the core question of whether the preponderance of evidence (either specific or circumstantial) would lead to a reasonable suspicion of cheating.
Others have listed the countless ways that various behaviors raised massive questions, so I won’t rehash them. Point being: HCL isn’t really addressing the poo-covered feet of the stomping elephants in the room. Instead, it is narrowly defining the questions it prefers to ask so they can move on and claim that they are in the clear.
 
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Taghkanic said:
5. Their framing also allows HCL to dodge the core question of whether the preponderance of evidence (either specific or circumstantial) would lead to a reasonable suspicion of cheating. Others have listed the countless ways that the behavior of Robbi, Rip, Bryan, and others raises massive questions about what they heck they were doing. so I won’t rehash them. Point being: HCL isn’t really addressing the poo-covered feet of the stomping elephants in the room; it is narrowly defining the questions it prefers to ask so they can move on and claim that they are in the clear.
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Yes. I hate to be cynical, but this is exactly what I’d expect from any organization running an investigation on themselves like this, much less this particular band of assheads.
Well screw them, I’m not eating their crap. I was never strongly convinced one way or the other but now I’m all in that she cheated, because screw them.
 
They're checking overly complex methods like rfid hacks, network security, etc

The simplest cheating explanation is Bryan is in the control room with real time access to the hole cards and can send a simple call, fold or raise signal which Robbi would then act on

That would explain Robbis weird "tanking" where it looks more like she is waiting rather than in deep thought about what to do
 
Taghkanic said:
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  1. HCL frames their findings as “we didn’t find any conclusive evidence” and that seems kind of weaselly. It allows HCL to take a victory lap while leaving themselves an out in case something damning emerges later. It’s a much different statement than declaring “Robbi is innocent.” ...
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How could they possibly declare her innocent? Did you expect them to find a "smoking gun of innocence" somehow? The only thing they can say is that they didn't find anything. Now, don't get me wrong, having an entity investigate itself is pretty shady, but you can't prove something to be true by not finding evidence of it not being true.

In our last home game I hosted, I had three full houses and a straight flush in one night. My investigation concluded that it was due to host awesomeness, and not any marked cards or shady dealing!
 
Jake14mw said:
How could they possibly declare her innocent? Did you expect them to find a "smoking gun of innocence" somehow? The only thing they can say is that they didn't find anything. Now, don't get me wrong, having an entity investigate itself is pretty shady, but you can't prove something to be true by not finding evidence of it not being true.

In our last home game I hosted, I had three full houses and a straight flush in one night. My investigation concluded that it was due to host awesomeness, and not any marked cards or shady dealing!
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Postle wasn't convicted either, but most believe he was guilty
 
Anthony Martino said:
Postle wasn't convicted either, but most believe he was guilty
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Yes, because studying the video and statistical evidence shows that he made numerous decisions that led to him winning at a statistically impossible rate. I haven't been following this case that closely, but obviously that has been done here also. Did they find numerous other hands where she made plays that seemed to indicate that she knew the other players hole cards?
 
Jake14mw said:
Yes, because studying the video and statistical evidence shows that he made numerous decisions that led to him winning at a statistically impossible rate. I haven't been following this case that closely, but obviously that has been done here also. Did they find numerous other hands where she made plays that seemed to indicate that she knew the other players hole cards?
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They don't have anywhere near the volume of hands that Postle played

I believe It was shown that her style of play changed, where she played more timid and conservative in a lower stakes stream, but then in the higher stakes one suddenly hero calls with jack-high for 6-figures, diverging greatly from her prior playstyle (i.e. it's possible if cheating occured this may have been the first time, for example)

I also recall there was a softplayed hand between her and Rip, while the players and game hosts were unaware of the arrangement between those two
 
Jake14mw said:
Yes, because studying the video and statistical evidence shows that he made numerous decisions that led to him winning at a statistically impossible rate. I haven't been following this case that closely, but obviously that has been done here also. Did they find numerous other hands where she made plays that seemed to indicate that she knew the other players hole cards?
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It’s a different type of allegation and investigation, but there is a ton of evidence in the Robbi case.

For example, the public found that:

1) Rip and Robbi did not disclose that they were partners;

2) Rip bought in for the minimum but staked Robbi a huge stack in a nosebleed game full of pros like Ivey and GE, despite her later admission to being a total amateur;

3) Rip and Robbi were mouthing stuff to each other;

4) Robbi changed her story and contradicted herself repeatedly, after playing a hand in such a bizarre way that a seasoned top pro felt he had to say something;

5) HCL hired a criminal for its booth;

6) That criminal rearranged the booth so he could not be viewed by the one camera in there;

7) That criminal took what looked like his “cut” from Robbi’s stack after the hand;

8) Robbi posted what many read as a fake message to her from the criminal, apologizing, full of the same rare verbal tells and spelling she uses herself;

9) Robbi gave back a six figure pot, something an innocent player would never do.

Among other things.

The investigation found:

A) There were multiple security flaws in the game setup that cheaters could exploit;

B) But due to the crudeness of their operation, and lack of key data to validate, they could not say for sure if these were in fact exploited.
 
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Taghkanic said:
2) Rip bought in for the minimum but staked Robbi a huge stack in a nosebleed game full of pros like Ivey and GE, despite her later admission to being a total amateur;
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Not only is that not evidence of anything, it also isn’t true:

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Anthony Martino said:
I think Robbi has stated she had another 100-125k bullet after this buyin?
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Rip didn’t buy in for the minimum, Robbi wasn’t in for a huge stack. The comparison was key. If you are going to consider potential money behind for Robbi you have to do the same for Rip also. Did Rip say he had no money behind at all?
 
Taghkanic said:
It’s a different type of allegation and investigation, but there is a ton of evidence in the Robbi case.

For example, the public found that:

1) Rip and Robbi did not disclose that they were partners;

2) Rip bought in for the minimum but staked Robbi a huge stack in a nosebleed game full of pros like Ivey and GE, despite her later admission to being a total amateur;

3) Rip and Robbi were mouthing stuff to each other;

4) Robbi changed her story and contradicted herself repeatedly, after playing a hand in such a bizarre way that a seasoned top pro felt he had to say something;

5) HCL hired a criminal for its booth;

6) That criminal rearranged the booth so he could not be viewed by the one camera in there;

7) That criminal took what looked like his “cut” from Robbi’s stack after the hand;

8) Robbi posted what many read as a fake message to her from the criminal, apologizing, full of the same rare verbal tells and spelling she uses herself;

9) Robbi gave back a six figure pot, something an innocent player would never do.

Among other things.

The investigation found:

A) There were multiple security flaws in the game setup that cheaters could exploit;

B) But due to the crudeness of their operation, and lack of key data to validate, they could not say for sure if these were in fact exploited.
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Very good sum up. Just too many weird coincidencies. Not enough to be actually incriminating I guess, but plenty enough for me.
 
Frogzilla said:
Rip didn’t buy in for the minimum, Robbi wasn’t in for a huge stack. The comparison was key. If you are going to consider potential money behind for Robbi you have to do the same for Rip also. Did Rip say he had no money behind at all?
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My recollection was that Rip said he was a last-minute addition and originally wasn't going to play at all

But he also said he wasn't cheating on his wife so I'm less inclined to believe anything he says
 

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