Interesting 1/3 hand from today (1 Viewer)

[Perthmike]

I like the sizing preflop of $110, if you get called in one spot it sets up a situation where you will have $190 behind in a pot of about $230, so you should be moving in on most favorable flops. And this is a favorable flop, so I don't know what you are accomplishing by only betting $120 on the flop? You can't fold for $70 more anywhere else in the hand. You couldn't even fold on an unfavorable turn card as played.

So I think all that really happened was you laid a better price than you should have to the Ax, Kx hands when you were in a position to get full value from all the pocket pairs that care to bluff catch. Not to mention, nothing about villian's line screams QQ+, sure villian could have A9 or some 9x connector, but you're paying that off anyway, and it's not nearly often enough to outweigh the value you can get when you're ahead.

I do think moving in pf is problematic because at a 15x reraise you will only get action from QQ+ and I think everything worse than you (even maybe TT) will fold, so that's kind of the worst of both worlds.

Good news is I think you won the same as you would have if you just moved in on the flop, but this would've been a tragic mistake if villian had a K that would've folded for $190 but found a call for $120.

Think I’ll jam next time, although if he calls $120 with AK in that position I suppose that’s a good outcome regardless of whether he hits it.

 

[JustinInMN]

Yeah, I mean you're right, he his making a calling mistake with AK at the 120 price so that is an okay outcome in that case, but....

1) He's making an even bigger mistake at the all in price.
2) He has other hands that you crush that could commit for your full stack.
3) You aren't really "saving" the 70 if you are calling when the king hits anyway.

If you had started the hand with 500-600 I could see that flop sizing, and then you can shove the turn on a favorable card and he'll usually miss ak, aq.

Here's an interesting question, what if guy with TT 3-bets to 110 preflop? What do you do then? I think it's a clear fold-shove spot, but it's close between those options.

 

[Perthmike]

Yeah, I mean you're right, he his making a calling mistake with AK at the 120 price so that is an okay outcome in that case, but....

1) He's making an even bigger mistake at the all in price.
2) He has other hands that you crush that could commit for your full stack.
3) You aren't really "saving" the 70 if you are calling when the king hits anyway.

If you had started the hand with 500-600 I could see that flop sizing, and then you can shove the turn on a favorable card and he'll usually miss ak, aq.

Here's an interesting question, what if guy with TT 3-bets to 110 preflop? What do you do then? I think it's a clear fold-shove spot, but it's close between those options.

I definitely see what you are saying with the flop sizing.

On a 1/3 table I would fold my jj all day long if he 3 bet to $110. I figure I’m ahead of most of their range when they all flat $22, but not so to a 3 bet. Almost all 1/3 players in Perth just don’t seem capable of that move with weaker holdings, most times it probably means kk or aa.

I’d imagine 1/3 players are far more technical in the US.

On a 5/5 table with 500/600 stack I’d be more likely to shove, since it plays very differently and 3 bet ranges are much wider.

 

[JustinInMN]

I forgot about the two dead 22's in the pot, there would've been closer to 370 in the pot, 490 after the flop bet, he's actually not really making a mistake continuing with ak, aq, kq here. If you shoved it'd be 190 to win 560 for villian. A bit under 3-1means you profit from a villian call or a fold.

 

[JustinInMN]

Yeah, the only time I've played 1-3 is in vegas, those games were pretty lose.

I remember a hand at Aria (this was way before I started thinking about sizing strategy) when I had ak and I 3 bet to like 30 against an opponent that opened for 10. Flopped A-A-8, two clubs. She bet 30 and I moved in my last 120 and she called it all off with kq high. Brick brick. My first real vegas double up .

Here in Minnesota the only NL analog we have is 2-100 spread, which is basically 1-2 with 100 max bet or raise. The came can vary widely, it's an awful game when it's nitty.