It’s official, “THC” fake is a thing now (5 Viewers)

[doublebooyah85]

And honestly the replicate / black market can exist. God knows how many fake Rolexes are out there, I’ve seen experts guess 30-40% of Rolexes you see are replicas. I’m not saying don’t buy them.

They just wouldn’t be posted on a rebutable site @Tommy

All direct copy cat casino chips (retired or live) should be banned on PCF

And this includes “Arias Tina card molds” imho.

And again, I even think Tina chips should qualify for the PCF HOF voting. A chip is a chip!

 

[Tonysquander]

And honestly the replicate / black market can exist. God knows how many fake Rolexes are out there, I’ve seen experts guess 30-40% of Rolexes you see are replicas. I’m not saying don’t buy them.

They just wouldn’t be posted on a rebutable site @Tommy

All direct copy cat casino chips (retired or live) should be banned on PCF

And this includes “Arias Tina card molds” imho.

I would go further and advocate banning any cheap Chinese (or other) knockoffs that replicate, or attempt to replicate, any mold still being used today by CPC or Paulson. That is as much of an IP theft as the inlay designs.

 

[iLogik]

Can we label them as TFC (Tina fake cane)?

 

[ThinkingFold]

I would go further and advocate banning any cheap Chinese (or other) knockoffs that replicate, or attempt to replicate, any mold still being used today by CPC or Paulson. That is as much of an IP theft as the inlay designs.

Not a gotcha, just generally curious. Would you ban Tina web mold? While not produced anymore, I think GPI still owns it so could potentially put it back in production.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Technically this isn’t a direct copy cat bc they didn’t use an Aria mold. But if the inlay is the same or has a minor change such as Aria’s I’d ban the sale or posting.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Not a gotcha, just generally curious. Would you ban Tina web mold? While not produced anymore, I think GPI still owns it so could potentially put it back in production.

Yeah that’s tough. It’s not a bad thought process by @Tonysquander. I’m usually a firm believe of setting a rule and sticking to it.

Any mold previously used could and should be banned if we r doing this ethically. That will jeopardize a lot of Tina and PCF sales. But it’s probably legally correct if these molds are really “owned”. A top hat cane is more of a distinguished logo, as well as scrowns, while web and Greek mold are more of a pattern and has no brand recognition. So I’m torn…

And btw I’m a huge fan of the new Tina hybrids!!! They feel and look great! I’m not a Tina hater!

 

[Tonysquander]

I know what some of you are saying, you can never have too many

I would say you can never have too few.

Not a gotcha, just generally curious. Would you ban Tina web mold? While not produced anymore, I think GPI still owns it so could potentially reproduce it.

If it was not in actual production, I don't have that big of an issue with it. But stealing a mold that is in active production like with the knockoff Crap-Dash chips and the RHC/THC is just over the line IMO.

And I think people know it which is why you don't see many of them sold or displayed on here because they are embarrassed of what they are doing, with good reason. Go make your own mold like some are doing, don't steal from other chip manufacturers.

 

[LeLe]

 

[SwissChip]

At least the Rio chips were destroyed, wich is very sad!
But there are no real chips in play.

Not a fan of exact copies of live or ‚dead‘ casino chips.

I try to clean my conscience…

 

[Machine]

Can we label them as TFC (Tina fake cane)?

Yes, Yes we can,

I present TFC

 

[upNdown]

Stop hating

Anyone can easily see these aren't Paulsons.

Sorry we're poor we can't afford $5+ per chip

That being said Greek or Web Mold looks 10x better lolol

I feel like most people are okay with hating crime.
And it has nothing to do with who can and can’t afford $5+ per chip. If you can’t find something at a 50 cent per chip price point that you can be happy with, that isn’t a stolen design or on a copied mold, THATS A YOU PROBLEM.

 

[DrStrange]

I don't have to think hard to recall quite a large number of members appearing to be totally fine with criminality. Surely it can't be a stretch to just write off this whole "fake chip" thing. It's just a fraud, right? No one got hurt.

The path to Hell starts with a single step -=- DrStrange

 

[buzzmonkey]

That's...that's gotta be Top Hat & Kane!!!

 

[doublebooyah85]

Top Hat & Tina

That's...that's gotta be Top Hat & Kane!!!

 

[EverGreenGSO]

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

So if I genuinely like the set and I can't afford the real thing I'm a POS for getting a cheaper knock off? That literally doesn't make sense.

People like what they like.

I think it's stupid with Tina's infinite customization options to go with a premade set but that's my opinion. You can't tell someone what colors they like are wrong

The security angle is even more of a non issue with every casino having RFID chips now. Even if the casino didn't have RFID chips somehow, Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

 

[chippitydoodah]

Posted this before, but this popped up in an Alibaba ad on my computer recently and had to snap a screenshot. No doubt there are going to be a lot more attempts of people sneaking in fake chips.

The bad news, casinos will accelerate their move away from physical chips.

The good news, with casinos going all electronic, GPI back in the personal market.

Wrong. If casinos ditch chips 100% there won't be enough market to sustain them. Naturally there'd be a rush of orders from us lunatics, but after that subsides the orders wouldn't be

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

So if I genuinely like the set and I can't afford the real thing I'm a POS for getting a cheaper knock off? That literally doesn't make sense.

People like what they like.

I think it's stupid with Tina's infinite customization options to go with a premade set but that's my opinion. You can't tell someone what colors they like are wrong

The security angle is even more of a non issue with every casino having RFID chips now. Even if the casino didn't have RFID chips somehow, Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

Stevie Wonder isn't blind

 

[iLogik]

Is Stevie Wonder deaf?

 

[BarrieJ3]

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

So if I genuinely like the set and I can't afford the real thing I'm a POS for getting a cheaper knock off? That literally doesn't make sense.

People like what they like.

I think it's stupid with Tina's infinite customization options to go with a premade set but that's my opinion. You can't tell someone what colors they like are wrong

The security angle is even more of a non issue with every casino having RFID chips now. Even if the casino didn't have RFID chips somehow, Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

Imagine you own something 1 of 1. It’s not a Rolex or a painting or whatever which already have established fake markets.

And if it’s not 1 of 1, maybe it’s 1 of 20 or 40 and you happen to know the others because it’s a close knit community. It’s a niche collectors hobby type thing. Or maybe you were the actual creator. Again not something to be sold or mass produced or for others, but for your own personal enjoyment. Maybe you even went a preferred route (read more expensive) to ensure the design was protected.

And then, through that very same niche hobby group, it was turned into a less than full scale production obtainable by anyone.

Yup, why would anyone be hellbent on that not happening.

Edit - that being said, have Tina make whatever. Don’t show photos, don’t bring them to a meet up, and you’re in the clear. You get what you want, cheap price, no one knows any better.

If a chip is made in china and no one else sees it, does it make a sound?

 

[merkong]

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

They’re even knocking off the Dark Master himself.

Hail Satan!

 

[mugenpowr]

Is Stevie Wonder deaf?

both?

 

[merkong]

Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

I don’t know sometimes it doesn’t take much.

 

[BGinGA]

It's basically THC without the outer ring.

THC 2.0

More like THC 0.5

 

[Rieguy]

More like THC 0.5

 

[upNdown]

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

So if I genuinely like the set and I can't afford the real thing I'm a POS for getting a cheaper knock off? That literally doesn't make sense.

People like what they like.

I think it's stupid with Tina's infinite customization options to go with a premade set but that's my opinion. You can't tell someone what colors they like are wrong

The security angle is even more of a non issue with every casino having RFID chips now. Even if the casino didn't have RFID chips somehow, Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

They are stealing the trademarked property of Paulson, a brand that sells chips on hat and cane molds, and CPC, a brand that sells chips on the small crown mold. They’re stealing the intellectual property of the casino’s, whose chips and art they’ve copied. In that regard, they’re violating American laws.

And you can say that anybody can tell they’re not Paulsons, but that’s flat out wrong. There are plenty of people who aren’t chip experts, who know that Paulson top hat and cane chips are top Quality. I know Rolex is a top quality watch, but if you showed me a fake, that said Rolex and had their crown logo on it, I couldn’t tell it wasn’t real.

 

[BGinGA]

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FLAG ON THE PLAY

That photo of me is copyrighted, you criminal

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Why are you all so hellbent on the "copies of actual chips are the debil"

So if I genuinely like the set and I can't afford the real thing I'm a POS for getting a cheaper knock off? That literally doesn't make sense.

People like what they like.

I think it's stupid with Tina's infinite customization options to go with a premade set but that's my opinion. You can't tell someone what colors they like are wrong

The security angle is even more of a non issue with every casino having RFID chips now. Even if the casino didn't have RFID chips somehow, Stevie Wonder working the cages would catch you in a second trying to pass Tina chips off as real Casino chips

I'm going to agree with the new guy here that people like what they like. There doesn't need to be so much chipping fundamentalism about absolute right or wrong. Copies exist. Be aware. Don't get f@cked. Cheap chips are why most of the newer and younger members come to PCF for these days. Nothing produced in the last few years, including by Paulson, seems to be able to stand next to leaded historical chips anyway. Whatever happened to "imitation is the highest form of flattery?" Choices are good. Getting bent out of shape over things one can't control anyway just leads to meaningless anger and depression. Trust me I know.

 

[upNdown]

Getting bent out of shape over things one can't control anyway just leads to meaningless anger and depression. Trust me I know.

That’s a great point. But I think there’s room for a middle ground. I’d like to think I can disapprove of something without it interfering with my quality of life.

Getting bent out of shape over things one can't control anyway just leads to meaningless anger and depression. Trust me I know.

I guess it’s worth mentioning that it’s not just fundamentalism. These are actual laws, and it’s not like no PCFers have ever received cease and desist letters for their attempts at “flattery.”

 

[BarrieJ3]

I'm going to agree with the new guy here that people like what they like. There doesn't need to be so much chipping fundamentalism about absolute right or wrong. Copies exist. Be aware. Don't get f@cked. Cheap chips are why most of the newer and younger members come to PCF for these days. Nothing produced in the last few years, including by Paulson, seems to be able to stand next to leaded historical chips anyway. Whatever happened to "imitation is the highest form of flattery?" Choices are good. Getting bent out of shape over things one can't control anyway just leads to meaningless anger and depression. Trust me I know.

I’m mean there are some fine lines that exist that folks may or may not care about.

I think for many, tributes and a tip of the cap in a chip set order can be good or bad but fall into a huge chasm for most of “meh”, not earth shattering.

But copy exactly the Adolfos or Waikems or Truman’s or Moonlight Cardhouse and im guessing all the prospective owners wouldn’t be overly impressed with that persons lack of respect/decorum.

I don’t think it’s all or nothing, I think there can be buckets. For me personally idk where everything else Tina falls, but copying 1 of 1 or 2 sets/customs where we know the owners - that’s malarkey.

 

[DirtyTIVA]

On a related note @TheRealTeddyKGB recently found some reproduction US $100 bills on Amazon that while by themselves feel light vs the real thing, if they are mixed in with real $100s I think it would be very difficult to spot in quantity. Like trying to spot baking soda in cocaine.

Sure the bills say "Motion Picture Association" etc etc but who is reading the text on bills these days? Maybe Marc can share some pics here. His version comes folded up with a rubber band and not all the same orientation. Stay safe people.

At least my version comes in bundles that are easier to spot.

 

[DirtyTIVA]

That’s a great point. But I think there’s room for a middle ground. I’d like to think I can disapprove of something without it interfering with my quality of life.


I guess it’s worth mentioning that it’s not just fundamentalism. These are actual laws, and it’s not like no PCFers have ever received cease and desist letters for their attempts at “flattery.”

Certainly there is a middle ground, and I'm sure PCF as a website wants to distance itself from the exchange or promotion of copies of live chips. I'm just not going to fault new members for looking at that and wanting some for themselves, especially at that price point vs the legacy real chips on offer here.