Native Lights Casino Primary Chip Sale (3 Viewers)

[GoStumpy]

I LOVE the inlays, I'll get some side-by-side with the Cleveland chips when they arrive RHC mold isn't ideal but that's pretty much all anyone is going to get from now on, Casinos don't seem to be doing THC that much anymore, need room for moar inlay right?

 

[bentax1978]

Or if the chips were THC mold!

...and in mint condition with shaped inlays. I probably would have paid to upgrade my internet connection

 

[Ben]

I probably would have paid to upgrade my internet connection

This makes me feel microaggressed. #broadbandprivilege

I would have had to drive over to @Poker Zombie's house to steal their wifi. Hope they weren't planning to use it.

 

[ChipEnvy]

Anything public will have whining or trolling, and I don't feel ANYONE got 'screwed' here. That's what I'm not understanding about everyone saying this thread is full of complaining... really it's full of people complaining about people complaining, and the complainers complaining about complainers are complaining FAR more than the original complainers complained. lol

Says the guy complaining about the people complaining about the complainers. TOTALLY KIDDING.

Anywho, my point was that anyone who takes part in the sales here has been screwed. OK, maybe screwed is the wrong word, as we still have a shot at getting some awesome chips. However, instead of just trying to get chips vs. people here, the chips will (at least for now) be open market.

Jim is right, it's the only fair way to avoid threads like what this has turned into.

 

[bentax1978]

This makes me feel microaggressed. #broadbandprivilege

I've been macroagressive all morning on the phone with tech support because our shitty DSL line at work isn't able to sustain anything above 200-250 Kbps.

 

[WedgeRock]

And now the issue is that those of us that had skipped this sale in hopes of buying the secondary Native Lights are SOL now thanks to a couple of greedy individuals that intentionally violated the rules of the sale. Whether they posted their intentions prior to the start of the sale is irrelevant.

It may not been in a fair spirit, but I don't think the practice violated the rules. Jim even said as much, which is why he's not cancelling the offending orders. But it did lead Jim to change the rules and use eBay as stricter control on the process.

I didn't participate in the sale, so I don't have a dog in the fight.

 

[BGinGA]

So besides BG who else got em?

yo, reading comprehension helps.....

for the record, I did not attempt to buy any of the chips in this sale, as I generally don't purchase RHC chips any longer.

Dunno who got them and don't care, as it's pretty irrelevant to anything.

 

[Venturalvn]

I don't know what's going on in the this thread anymore, but I'm offended. I need my safe space.

 

[bentax1978]

I don't know what's going on in the this thread anymore, but I'm offended. I need my safe space.

Here you go.

 

[Meddler2]

Sorry, but it's already been well-established (both here in this thread and elsewhere) that your rant is inaccurate.

The issue is that that every individual order violates the minimums. If you order 50 - $500 chips only, that order violates the percentages. If i monitored each order in real time, I would start refunding as soon as the order is received. It not a loophole, it's a violation.

Jim

Not sure how anybody can argue against what Jim stated.

 

[upNdown]

Not sure how anybody can argue against what Jim stated.

Because your rant said that everybody knew Jim's intent. Because he had filled orders like this in the past, we absolutely didn't know his intent, until he recently announced it.

 

[BGinGA]

Buyer #1:
Wants a 1000-pc limit set of $1 chips (most important), and a rack of 50c chips (which he can find elsewhere if sold out). If he can't get 1000 $1 chips, he doesn't need the 50c chips.
step 1 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so....
step 2 -- buys 100 x 50c chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

Buyer #2:
Wants 100 x $500 chips for his mixed-casino tourney set (most important), and is willing to buy 1000 chips (1s or 5s, doesn't matter) to meet the limit restrictions. If he can't get the $500s, he doesn't need the 1000 other chips.
step 1 -- buys 100 x $500 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so.....
step 2 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

I see no difference in the two scenarios above. In both cases, the combined orders meet the limit restrictions. And most importantly here, in every single one of TCR's previous sales, Jim ALWAYS combined orders when placing more than one. In some cases, he combined several orders from a single buyer. And there was no reason to believe that it was any different for this sale, until it was over (and Jim stated otherwise).

To automatically assume that anyone expecting for their orders to be combined -- and ordering with that in mind -- was merely trying to 'game the system' is ludicrous.

 

[GoStumpy]

Not sure how anybody can argue against what Jim stated.

Except that Jim stated that AFTER the sale took place, not before.

Having said that, he's 100% correct. If someone orders 200 $500 chips and checks out, and if Jim isn't watching everything and every order in real time, he can't be guaranteed that the customer will also order the rest of the chips to make the percentages valid. IF THEY AREN'T, then that 200 $500 chips have been taken away from every single other purchaser in an invalid order... what to do then?

 

[WedgeRock]

Buyer #1:
Wants a 1000-pc limit set of $1 chips (most important), and a rack of 50c chips (which he can find elsewhere if sold out). If he can't get 1000 $1 chips, he doesn't need the 50c chips.
step 1 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so....
step 2 -- buys 100 x 50c chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

Buyer #2:
Wants 100 x $500 chips for his mixed-casino tourney set (most important), and is willing to buy 1000 chips (1s or 5s, doesn't matter) to meet the limit restrictions. If he can't get the $500s, he doesn't need the 1000 other chips.
step 1 -- buys 100 x $500 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so.....
step 2 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

I see no difference in the two scenarios above. In both cases, the combined orders meet the limit restrictions. And most importantly here, in every single one of TCR's previous sales, Jim ALWAYS combined orders when placing more than one. In some cases, he combined several orders from a single buyer. And there was no reason to believe that it was any different for this sale, until it was over (and Jim stated otherwise).

To automatically assume that anyone expecting for their orders to be combined -- and ordering with that in mind -- was merely trying to 'game the system' is ludicrous.

Agreed that there are certainly valid reasons to have multiple orders.

The difference is that Buyer #1 bought the readily available chips first, then added the scarcer chips. Buyer #2 bought the rare chips first, then filled his order with the readily available chips.

If someone posted that they were going to use Buyer #2's method to make sure they got the rare chips, why is it ludicrous to assume they were gaming the system? Jim said (albeit afterward) that although he was not specific about Buyer #2's method being frowned upon, it does violate his intention with the limits.

 

[Sprouty]

Anyone have any pron yet? Or is everyone still too busy shitting on each other?

 

[BGinGA]

If someone posted that they were going to use Buyer #2's method to make sure they got the rare chips, why is it ludicrous to assume they were gaming the system? Jim said (albeit afterward) that although he was not specific about Buyer #2's method being frowned upon, it does violate his intention with the limits.

Nobody ever said they were scarce.... only limited by purchase amount. In both cases, if the first purchase doesn't happen, no need for the second.

Although I suppose that buying both at the same time allows one to simultaneously realize if all the chips are available or not. Which is exactly Jim's point. (y) :thumbsup:

 

[justsomedude]

If I have a pickle and order a second pickle, but add some cheese to the pickle, and a side of sauce, but only 3% of sauce, is that a violation of the intent of the well known, and previously established, yet not totally written out in black and white rules, that may create a loophole, in the cosmic vortex of spacetime, with the faster internet, and the $500 denom chips for the refund of the cancellation of the order in the single household for the PayPal?

jes*s effin lord. kill me please.

 

[ssanel54]

Buyer #1:
Wants a 1000-pc limit set of $1 chips (most important), and a rack of 50c chips (which he can find elsewhere if sold out). If he can't get 1000 $1 chips, he doesn't need the 50c chips.
step 1 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so....
step 2 -- buys 100 x 50c chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

Buyer #2:
Wants 100 x $500 chips for his mixed-casino tourney set (most important), and is willing to buy 1000 chips (1s or 5s, doesn't matter) to meet the limit restrictions. If he can't get the $500s, he doesn't need the 1000 other chips.
step 1 -- buys 100 x $500 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through, so.....
step 2 -- buys 1000 x $1 chips, checks out, and pays. Goes through.

I see no difference in the two scenarios above. In both cases, the combined orders meet the limit restrictions. And most importantly here, in every single one of TCR's previous sales, Jim ALWAYS combined orders when placing more than one. In some cases, he combined several orders from a single buyer. And there was no reason to believe that it was any different for this sale, until it was over (and Jim stated otherwise).

To automatically assume that anyone expecting for their orders to be combined -- and ordering with that in mind -- was merely trying to 'game the system' is ludicrous.

Both plausible scenarios, however I still contend the most likely situation is:

Buyer #3
Wants to buy 1000+ chips set consisting of most readily available denominations, but figures since he is buying enough common chips to meet the minimums for the rare chips, he might as well purchase them too.
Step 1 - Buys rare chips
Step 2 - Buys readily available chips
Step 3 - See what the market dictates as price for the rare chips over time
Step 4 - Sell rare chips

 

[WedgeRock]

If I have a pickle and order a second pickle, but add some cheese to the pickle, and a side of sauce, but only 3% of sauce, is that a violation of the intent of the well known, and previously established, yet not totally written out in black and white rules, that may create a loophole, in the cosmic vortex of spacetime, with the faster internet, and the $500 denom chips for the refund of the cancellation of the order in the single household for the PayPal?

jes*s effin lord. kill me please.

Who puts a pickle on a hot dog?! I mean, besides Chicagoans.

 

[Mesnik44]

Who puts a pickle on a hot dog?! I mean, besides Chicagoans.

But is it still a sandwich if you put pickles in it?

 

[Josh Kifer]

 

[Josh Kifer]

Anyone have any pron yet? Or is everyone still too busy shitting on each other?

Woah woah woah. If we're gonna start shitting on each other, I'll let myself out....

 

[arch3r]

Anyone have any pron yet? Or is everyone still too busy shitting on each other?

 

[WedgeRock]

I spy *two* sample sets...

 

[arch3r]

I spy *two* sample sets...

Yes you do. But I already flipped it, for cost. I grabbed two cause I figured someone here would miss out and want a set, so I hooked a fellow chipper up.

 

[WedgeRock]

Flipper!*

* (Good on you to hook another chipper up -- at cost)

 

[upNdown]

View attachment 126701

How much for the $500?

 

[Josh Kifer]

SOMEONE HAS 500s. HERETIC!!!! BURN HIM

 

[justsomedude]

How much for the $500?

I was thinking about flipping the $500 from my sample set for $4,500.

That's cool, right?

 

[RichMahogany]

Wow @arch3r , those fracs look great in that pic.