Need recommendation - chips for a home cash game (3 Viewers)

[atomiktoaster]

Good discussion going on here, but I will add that the $10 Milano is my favorite chips for looks in the entire set by a decent margin. I fully support using it for a bank chip for that reason alone.

 

[mummel]

Good discussion going on here, but I will add that the $10 Milano is my favorite chips for looks in the entire set by a decent margin. I fully support using it for a bank chip for that reason alone.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull be back in................................ DUDE!

 

[Mental Nomad]

Eureka! If I do this, I can save on chips! Is this the way they do color-ups in real tournaments anyway (or are we using a makeshift method)?

They're giving you the standard way of doing it.

 

[pltrgyst]

.... What would you guys do in the case of the hybrid game?

Play somewhere else.:

 

[mummel]

As I think about finding a home for my remaining 50 chips. Doesnt starting off a cash game with stack of only 25 chips (12-12-1 in the case of a $20 buy in), or only 31 chips in the case of a $50 buy in (12-12-7), lead to very tight game play (no matter what the denoms are). I mean psychologically, that doesnt look like a lot of chips sitting on the table in front of you.

Would a starting stack of say 40-50 chips lead to looser game play and bigger pots?

I'm not sure I can do that with my chip limit, but I am just curious before I commit to buying any chips.

Because I'm envisioning a scenario where everyone calls the 50c BB, and then only bets 25c on the flop. I mean, thats a lot of quarters in play until people start breaking out the $1s. Eg, 50c BB, 50c raise on the flop, 50c on the turn, 50c on the river, thats 8 X 25c gone right there when that person loses the hand. If that happens on the first round, the guy has 12-8 = 4 quarters left and probably has to change his first $1 on round two. Isnt that annoying?

Are cash games less tight with more chips on hand (regardless of the actual $s or denoms involved)?

 

[atomiktoaster]

As I think about finding a home for my remaining 50 chips. Doesnt starting off a cash game with stack of only 25 chips (12-12-1 in the case of a $20 buy in), or only 31 chips in the case of a $50 buy in (12-12-7), lead to very tight game play (no matter what the denoms are). I mean psychologically, that doesnt look like a lot of chips sitting on the table in front of you.

Would a starting stack of say 40-50 chips lead to looser game play and bigger pots?

I'm not sure I can do that with my chip limit, but I am just curious before I commit to buying any chips.

Because I'm envisioning a scenario where everyone calls the 50c BB, and then only bets 25c on the flop. I mean, thats a lot of quarters in play until people start breaking out the $1s. Eg, 50c BB, 50c raise on the flop, 50c on the turn, 50c on the river, thats 8 X 25c gone right there when that person loses the hand. If that happens on the first round, the guy have 12-8 = 4 quarters left and probably has to change his first $1 on round two. Isnt that annoying?

Are cash games less tight with more chips on hand (regardless of the actual $s or denoms involved)?

Yeah, there's psychology involved in how tight you play vs. how large your stack looks. That's why people will have $1/$2 sets with 800 $5s. Your bigger problem is that it's hard to play loose with 40 BB no matter what the chips are you use.

 

[TheOctagon]

Your minimum bet is the small blind? Well, start by making your minimum bet the big blind.

 

[abby99]

Because I'm envisioning a scenario where everyone calls the 50c BB, and then only bets 25c on the flop.

The standard rule is that the minimum bet is equal to the big blind, and that the amount of a raise must be equal to or greater than the amount of the previous bet or raise. Therefore, the minimum bet after the flop is 50c.

Players can make change: everybody limps for 50c. Flop. First player bets 50c but puts out $1 because doesn't have any quarters, after saying that he's betting 50c. After the betting for that round is complete, the dealer gives him 50c change from the pot. Standard procedure.

It's been well established ITT that your "hybrid" game is unusual and doesn't follow standard rules or procedures. That's fine for a while, but maybe not so much when you or one of your players goes to another home game or a casino poker room [gasp] and finds out that just about everything about the game as they know it is done differently.

 

[TheOctagon]

Because I'm envisioning a scenario where everyone calls the 50c BB, and then only bets 25c on the flop. I mean, thats a lot of quarters in play until people start breaking out the $1s. Eg, 50c BB, 50c raise on the flop, 50c on the turn, 50c on the river, thats 8 X 25c gone right there when that person loses the hand. If that happens on the first round, the guy has 12-8 = 4 quarters left and probably has to change his first $1 on round two. Isnt that annoying?

Are cash games less tight with more chips on hand (regardless of the actual $s or denoms involved)?

Also, people betting any reasonable multiple of the BB (or raising in the SB, e.g.) can throw in the appropriate number of $1s and pull back quarters as change. Then you can keep quarters in play longer without having to make change. You just change from the pot on the fly.

Edit: see @abby99 above for a more clear take on what I was saying

 

[mummel]

Yeah, there's psychology involved in how tight you play vs. how large your stack looks. That's why people will have $1/$2 sets with 800 $5s. Your bigger problem is that it's hard to play loose with 40 BB no matter what the chips are you use.

So what about this structure then as a possibility.

-in the $50 game, everyone starts off with 38 chips vs the originally proposed 31 chips (psychologically better)
-the price I pay for this is a decrease in the total bank from $1,031-$812 = $219 (acceptable IMO. I know if my games grow, then I will need a larger bank, but thats an excuse for a new set!!!)
-this structure gives me 9 player games that range from $25 to $50 buy-ins with 7 re-buys (seems perfectly acceptable for small potato games no?)
-and if we decide to do higher stake, we can always use the other chips and go tourney style

Do you guys feel this is better vs the 12-12-1 setup (only 25 chips) or the 12-12-6 setup (only 30 chips)? TY.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Your bigger problem is that it's hard to play loose with 40 BB no matter what the chips are you use.

This. As people learn poker - and they should, eventually - this becomes unavoidable.

 

[mummel]

This. As people learn poker - and they should, eventually - this becomes unavoidable.

Ok so let's assume then I do a $50 buy-in, 25c/50c blinds (so 100 BB starting stack), would 16-16-6 (38 chips) offer better game play psychologically vs 12-12-7 (31 chips)?

 

[links_slayer]

20 x 25c / 20 x $1 / 5 x $5 for the first 5 and then 20 x $1 / 6 x $5 for the rest is how i would do it. it's just my $0.02 but since your on a chip budget (1000 between cash and tourney, correct?) there's no need to get more than 100 x 25c and waste valuable real estate in the case/rack/birdcage/carrier.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Ok so let's assume then I do a $50 buy-in, 25c/50c blinds (so 100 BB starting stack), would 16-16-6 (38 chips) offer better game play psychologically vs 12-12-7 (31 chips)?

Your workhorse chips are the singles. More workhorse chips will play looser than fewer workhorse chips.

If the chip count is a show-stopper, consider 12-17-6 (35).

 

[pltrgyst]

[QUOTE="links_slayer, post: 175846, member: 139".... there's no need to get more than 100.....[/QUOTE]

There you go, using that "n" word again...

 

[BGinGA]

This thread makes my head hurt. Six frickin' pages and 165 posts? Holy crap, pass the aspirin....

I could be wrong (and not going back to check), but I'd make a decent size wager that the OP probably got the best (and correct) advice on page 1.

 

[Trihonda]

This thread makes my head hurt 1.

Ha, my exact sentiments.

Though on page one, I'm not sure we knew the depth/full details of the hybrid game format. But I could be wrong.

 

[NicholasAK]

Ha, my exact sentiments.

Though on page one, I'm not sure we knew the depth/full details of the hybrid game format. But I could be wrong.

Cliffnotes:

"What chip to buy"
-get samples/check ceramics and chinas
"They're too expensive"
-not really
"How about this set of 400 for my cash/tourney?"
-40bb starting stack tourneys dont work/wtf?? Blind raises in a cash game?
(Endless looping)
Ok, ill get 1000 $.29 chips to accommodate 2 of the exact same poker games
(Continue loop)

 

[atomiktoaster]

Hey, it's a learning process sometimes. GSTBCC isn't old hat for everybody.

 

[NicholasAK]

Hey, it's a learning process sometimes. GSTBCC isn't old hat for everybody.

I'm in that boat myself...what is GSTBCC? ( Blue Chip Company?)

 

[links_slayer]

get samples then buy china clays

 

[mummel]

Yeah TY for everyone's help and patience. I'll stop asking questions until I get my sht sorted out. I'm just trying to buy 1000 chips at once (cheapest option) and maximize my cash game and tourney game utility. It's a huge balance/dance between the number of players, buy in amounts, total bank size, how many rebuys, what denoms, how many chips of each, colors, cost, how they will fill a birdcage etc etc. The list goes on. And of course, the variables affect each other so when once is changed, there is a snowball affect. You know the drill.

Simplest would be to separate a cash set and tourney set, but I want to see if I cant save myself $ down the road vs having to buy a second set. I'll let you know where I land.

 

[links_slayer]

asking questions is a good thing. there's lots of experience/knowledge around here.

one of the biggest problems i've seen around here is folks wanting an incredibly versatile set while putting a strict limit on the number of chips they want to buy. i think you've already seen the challenges with this - but i'm sure you'll figure something out eventually. just remember that if you put restrictions on your purchase, you're almost always going to have to make concessions in one or more aspects of the set.

p.s. you make it sound like buying a second set is a bad thing

 

[MillyS]

asking questions is a good thing. there's lots of experience/knowledge around here.

one of the biggest problems i've seen around here is folks wanting an incredibly versatile set while putting a strict limit on the number of chips they want to buy. i think you've already seen the challenges with this - but i'm sure you'll figure something out eventually. just remember that if you put restrictions on your purchase, you're almost always going to have to make concessions in one or more aspects of the set.

p.s. you make it sound like buying a second set is a bad thing

Agree completely - I was only in the market for 1 set, but going to end up buying 4 in the space of 6 months probably.

 

[Trihonda]

asking questions is a good thing. there's lots of experience/knowledge around here.

one of the biggest problems i've seen around here is folks wanting an incredibly versatile set while putting a strict limit on the number of chips they want to buy. i think you've already seen the challenges with this - but i'm sure you'll figure something out eventually. just remember that if you put restrictions on your purchase, you're almost always going to have to make concessions in one or more aspects of the set.

p.s. you make it sound like buying a second set is a bad thing

+1

 

[mummel]

Ok I'm 99.9% there

Cash game, 10 players, $50 buy-in, 5 re-buys, 25c/50c (100x BB):

-I like that the starting chips are now = 41 chips, psychologically better
-I really like that the rows will work perfectly with a bird cage = 5 trays = better for my OCD

Tourney, 10 players, T10,000 starting stack, opportunity for 10 rebuys:

-I really like that there are more chips in play and that I'm using the WSOP starting stack structure and standard denoms
-although 20 player tourneys are an aspiration of mine, 10 player tourneys + 10 player cash games will keep me very busy for the foreseeable future. I am happy with this.
-note: it looks like I'm 20 chips short on the $1,000s after the max rebuys. It's not easy to see on the spreadsheet, but I have this covered by excess $5,000, and also $1,000s that come back to me after the final color up. And I'm only short $1,000 chips on rebuy #7 which may not happen and if it does, I can just issue 2 X $5000 chips to cover rebuys 7-10.

So yeah, it looks like this will work fine! I have 50 chips to go......

1) Primary interest would be to put them to work in the tourney set if they are needed somewhere, perhaps something I've missed.
2) If there is zero need to have another 50 chips in this tourney set, then best utility spent will be on 50 X $10s for my cash set in case I ever need them
2) And of course if I dont do that, if I buy +50 X $100 or +50 X $500, I will be able to satisfy my OCD and have beautifully filled bird cage rows

Place your bets. Where should the 50 chips go???? TY for your help guys.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

I think you'll find that you won't use the T100 for colouring up the T25's that much. So, if they go anywhere, it's into the higher denoms. If it were me, I would simply use

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 100 (or 75)
T1000 x 100 (or 125)
T5000 x 50

 

[mummel]

Yeah, once this is sorted out, I will start a thread about the right way to run a tourney, but I was looking at Blind Valet, and it seems like after 1 hour 30min, we could take a 15min break, and I could use the opportunity to color up the $25s into the $100s as they are no longer needed.

It looks like then 1 hour 45min after that break, we can take another break, and that will be the time for me to color up the $100s and $500s into $1,000s & $5,000s.

Is this how it's done? If so, having 150 X T100 chips to cover the T25 color up make sense, but I'm probably missing something.

What would I use the extra 50 X T500s. For the rebuys?

An extra 25 X $5000 could come in handy if the tournament gets dragged out (especially since I'm introduction 50 X $1000 during the rebuys). I like this.

 

[mummel]

I'm done . I'm just going to round off the $500s and grab X 100 to fill a bird cage tray. I can use these as rebuy chips and if the rebuys are higher than 6, then I will use $5,000 chips.

Thanks for all your help. This forum is awesome.

 

[Trihonda]

Brain still hurting. .

Better off using $500's to color up. Someone has 15xT25

You take a single T100 from them and their T25s and give them a T500 chip.

I'd personally do the extra 50 chips as more $5 cash chips. While the $10 chips give u 2x the bang/buck factor, the simplicity/uniformity factor would win out for me.