Rank your own skill level (1 Viewer)

A couple of things.

Overwhelmingly I think people are terrible at self evaluation. I am probably no exception to this. Usually people who are close to you give a much better evaluation than you do for yourself.

2. I think way less than 50% of players run profitable long term. Probably less than 20%.
 
I'm neither afraid nor ashamed to admit that I'm a losing player - I don't play to make money, I play to have fun with my buddies. I can still pay the bills, put food on the table, keep the roof over our heads, and do plenty of other fun stuff.
 
But as much as I enjoy the game, if I wasn't at least break even or "profitable", then I would not be playing poker (very much). So if people "know" they are not profitable, are they just willing to donate continually to play?
Vegas was built on people who are willing to donate to play. The VAST majority of people who play poker (and I have to think this number is north of 97.5%) are ultimately not playing to make a profit, they are playing for the entertainment value. I know that's why I play, because I enjoy it... don't need a hobby to be profitable to enjoy it.
 
Vegas was built on people who are willing to donate to play. The VAST majority of people who play poker (and I have to think this number is north of 97.5%) are ultimately not playing to make a profit, they are playing for the entertainment value. I know that's why I play, because I enjoy it... don't need a hobby to be profitable to enjoy it.

I absolutely agree there is validity in this. I have lots of hobbies I have paid lots of money to participate in. The nature of poker is such, that I don't think I could play long term if I was losing money overall... I couldn't take family money to gambol, like my step-dad did. However, when I play, it's never really about the money. As links said, I play to have fun, as I enjoy the game. Its a social thing for me.

Another aspect of my childhood was growing up hanging at my grandparents house. Every family get together finished off with folks planted at the kitchen table playing cards. I have many fond memories of me and grandma playing gin rummy, euchre, etc... So for me, cards is a social thing for the most part.

LOL @ my conflicting messed up family dynamics... Lost our family home to gamboling, but playing cards is seen a family bonding experience... God, no wonder I'm messed up, lol..
 
I don't play to make money, I play to have fun with my buddies.

This is certainly true for home games, where my goal (in order of importance) is always (1) be great host, (2) have fun playing and (3) make a few bucks.

However, when I play in a casino, my goal is always to win as much money as possible. Obliviously I have fun while I do it, or I probably wouldn't bother in the first place, but ultimately playing casino poker (for me) is about winning as much money as possible in any given session.

I would personally rate myself around an 8 for casino cash games. I don't really play tournaments, with the exception of the occasional charity tournament or (recent) online tournaments here. If I had to put a number to my tournament play, I would say 6 at this point. I think I would be a winning tournament player, but it's just not my playing preference. Any time I think about playing a tournament in a casino, I know ultimately all I'll think about it all the time I potentially "wasted" that I could have been sitting at a cash table :)
 
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I absolutely agree there is validity in this. I have lots of hobbies I have paid lots of money to participate in. The nature of poker is such, that I don't think I could play long term if I was losing money overall... I couldn't take family money to gambol, like my step-dad did.
And that's fine, you see this particular "hobby" differently than most because of your family's past. To 99% of those who play this is a complete non-issue, the money they win or lose is insignificant in the grand scheme of things and playing isn't viewed any differently than going to a movie, skydiving, building a model airplane or any other hobby one might shovel money in to.
 
I play in several different home games. I think in this circle of games, at .25/.50 stakes I think I'm one of the better players. There are only a few players that I would say are better than me (again within this group of players). I'd give myself a 7-8 within this circle. I've been playing for about 10 years. I have never dropped into negative losses.

I've only played in one meet n greet. That was this previous summer in Chicago. Over consecutive days I was up a total of 200. I think I made about .10c an hour. At best I was an average player (did cash in the tourney :) ). More realistic is I was a below average player.

I was never a winning player online. I never lost much. I "NEVER" won long term. I either don't take it seriously, to many distractions, ect...

Home games: 7.5

Casino: 3.50

PCF Meet Ups: 4.50

Online: 2

Stakes about 1/1 blinds: 4

Stud: 1

PLO Double Board: 8 :)
 
I play in several different home games. I think in this circle of games, at .25/.50 stakes I think I'm one of the better players. There are only a few players that I would say are better than me (again within this group of players). I'd give myself a 7-8 within this circle. I've been playing for about 10 years. I have never dropped into negative losses.

I've only played in one meet n greet. That was this previous summer in Chicago. Over consecutive days I was up a total of 200. I think I made about .10c an hour. At best I was an average player (did cash in the tourney :) ). More realistic is I was a below average player.

I was never a winning player online. I never lost much. I "NEVER" won long term. I either don't take it seriously, to many distractions, ect...

Home games: 7.5

Casino: 3.50

PCF Meet Ups: 4.50

Online: 2

Stakes about 1/1 blinds: 4

Stud: 1

PLO Double Board: 8 :)

I think you're selling yourself a bit short, specially on the Casino front... If you wanted to, I'm sure you'd be a winning player at least at $1/$2 Casino games... The problem is that I think you'd get bored doing it, LOL!!!
 
I think you're selling yourself a bit short, specially on the Casino front... If you wanted to, I'm sure you'd be a winning player at least at $1/$2 Casino games... The problem is that I think you'd get bored doing it, LOL!!!

That is a problem. If I only play NLHE. I'm bored within a few hours. The only exception is at your house where I'm running really well vs your guests.
 
Agree with Tri... it's pretty interesting to see how people self evaluate. In poker especially, not lying to yourself and being objective and unemotional is a very valuable skill to have... so you'd think a seasoned poker player would be pretty good at self evaluation. And this thread has pretty much backed that up. We've got a good distribution going.

As for me, in 04-06 I was playing online on a daily basis and would've called myself a solid 7 in NLHE, maybe an 8 live (played 1/2, 2/5 at the Borg regularly). It wasn't too hard to beat the game back then. If you read a lot, studied your own play, fixed your major leaks, and played pretty straightforward but very disciplined and TAG-ish, you would beat almost any low end NL games.

Nowadays... wow, the average online player is lightyears better. There is so much less dead money. I couldn't even rate myself since I hardly play, but online I think I'd be happy to be a 5 online, and a 6 at a 1/2 live game. Who knows though...could easily be worse :)
 
And that's fine, you see this particular "hobby" differently than most because of your family's past. To 99% of those who play this is a complete non-issue, the money they win or lose is insignificant in the grand scheme of things and playing isn't viewed any differently than going to a movie, skydiving, building a model airplane or any other hobby one might shovel money in to.


It's such a weird dynamic.

From my personal experiences, I don't want it to be about the money, because if it's about the money, and you NEED to win, then you have an issue w/ gamboling (and to me, that's not fun), and that has cost my family dearly. That said, I don't judge. I have friends I know are gombol-holics, but they're functioning, and can afford it when they lose. And it's their lives, not for me to pass judgment.

When it's about the money, you stress too much over wins/losses (especially if those losses take money away from your family or risk ruin). Then it no longer becomes fun.

Have I stressed over losing streaks, sure... But it never affects my family's finances, just my BR.

The weird part is that I do track the money, I track my play, and I know that if I wasn't cash + I would play much less. So I know the money aspect, I use BR management strategies (because my poker money and family money are 100% separate). And part of the fun (aside from the social aspect) is the challenge and improving my game/skill. I know that your win/loss rate is a barometer of your abilities.

Now I get the hobby aspect... My major life hobby has been triathlon. If I told you how much I've spent on triathlon... Wow (I'd be kinda embarrassed). I'll just say this, between my wife and I (not counting kid's bikes), we have 8 bikes in our garage (some costing close to that of a cheaper new car). Ya, I never made a dime competing in triathlons (major Triathlon donk I suppose). But a hobby I was happy to spend money to participate in.

As for poker, my earlier comments about folks who are not cash + were absolutely not intended to offend (nor be judgmental). I must be on one extraordinarily long lucky streak... Here's what I mean, I've played a number of times with links and would classify his game as more cerebral and crafty than mine. I would not hesitate to say he's a better player than me, and find it surprising to hear him say he's a losing player. I feel the same for many of the PCF folks I've played with at meetups. I'd consider myself an average player, and go to meetups expecting to learn by playing with better players than me.
 
In the home games I play, I'm a 6-7 (hold em). Five years of data show I'm up. When I played online prior to '06 I was break even at best... But I was still in the early stages of learning.
I have only played casino live a couple of times in the past five years. So no real valid data there.
If we're talking stars play money... I'm the master.
 

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