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Last weekend I was in Belgrade, Serbia
They have two casinos, a small crappy joint in old town and an other, much more moderne, in new city (Novi Beograd). These are the only two table-games casinos in all Serbia, anyway they have an infinity of "slot club" with slots only.
The smaller one has a strange name: Fair Play Casino. The other one it's simply named Grand Casino Beograd. Both offer table games, only the second one has a poker room with about 10 tables. I played blackjack and a few roulette.
Chips are hugly plastic, as usual in Eastern Europe. I took a few pics before cashing out (chips denominated in Serbian dinar ... 1 euro = 117 dinars)
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Friends game. His Starbusts all bright red, not radiant. With everyone’s help on this site we’ve added the green/blacks. Removed dice chips.
 

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lewan said:
the only logical explanation i can think of is the game started out smaller and everyone agreed to make it bigger. otherwise, idk
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Apparently games with more chips tend to play looser/bigger (up to a certain point at which too many chips become a problem), so that's why casinos often use the 4 chip/8 chip structure (4 chips =small bet, 8 chip= big bet) for limit games. It's the sweet spot as long as you have a dedicated dealer. For home games a 2chip/4 chip or 3chip/6chip structure might be better, depending on how good the players are at managing the pot.

@Nanook ,@bergs ,@RainmanTrail or other limit gurus might have more to add but that's what I understand from previous discussions on the topic.
 
Yes, it's as simple as "the pots look smaller with fewer chips, and smaller looking pots generate less action than larger looking pots". So casinos try to put as many chips in play as they can while still making the game run quickly. Apparently 4 chip betting increments is the sweet spot.
 
lewan said:
im nothing of a limit player but im curious why they are using $5 chips in $20/$40 limit since the bellagio have both $10 and $20 chips.
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See the posts below
lewan said:
the only logical explanation i can think of is the game started out smaller and everyone agreed to make it bigger. otherwise, idk
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No, not at all
Marius L said:
Apparently games with more chips tend to play looser/bigger (up to a certain point at which too many chips become a problem), so that's why casinos often use the 4 chip/8 chip structure (4 chips =small bet, 8 chip= big bet) for limit games. It's the sweet spot as long as you have a dedicated dealer. For home games a 2chip/4 chip or 3chip/6chip structure might be better, depending on how good the players are at managing the pot.

@Nanook ,@bergs ,@RainmanTrail or other limit gurus might have more to add but that's what I understand from previous discussions on the topic.
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I will expand on this later, but this does actually happen just about 100% of the time
RainmanTrail said:
Yes, it's as simple as "the pots look smaller with fewer chips, and smaller looking pots generate less action than larger looking pots". So casinos try to put as many chips in play as they can while still making the game run quickly. Apparently 4 chip betting increments is the sweet spot.
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You can do what ever you want, but 3 & 4 chip structure (meaning 3 chips or 4 chips for the Big Blind & for the small bets) is in fact the sweet spot.

I discussed this at length here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/limit-sets-limit-sets-more-limit-sets.14545/post-1393031 & there is some discussion in the posts following the referenced post.

The most drastic example of this I can point to is when we play 50/100 limit in our cardroom. The cardroom generally wants to use $25 chips and if/when they do that the game is a 2 chip game, ie 2 x $25 for a total of $50 for both the Big Blind and also for the small bets preflop and on the flop. Sometimes the players convert a 40/80 game which uses $10 chips and is a 4 chip structure into a $50/$100 & the cardroom allows them to continue using the $10 chips and it makes the game a 5 chip game. The game almost never goes unless it gets converted and when it does, it lasts 24/7 for days. The difference is amazing! When it is a 2 chip game, the pots are tiny and no one wants to play. The game will almost always break within a few hours at most. When it is a 5 chip game, it is amazing with massive pots and everyone wanting to get into the game. Like I said, it will last for days because it is so good....

Another example is when we first started 22 yrs ago, they started out with a 10/20 limit game with $5 chips. (2 chip structure) and it didn't work well at all. Soon after they switched to 8/16 (4 chip) and the game has been an amazing success ever since.

Since we are in the live stacks thread, here is my stack near the end of my 20/40 limit session last Friday night. Buy in for 3 racks and cash out for $3919. Looks like I have $3804 in the pic below.
 
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Nanook said:
See the posts below

No, not at all

I will expand on this later, but this does actually happen just about 100% of the time

You can do what ever you want, but 3 & 4 chip structure (meaning 3 chips or 4 chips for the Big Blind & for the small bets) is in fact the sweet spot.

I discussed this at length here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/limit-sets-limit-sets-more-limit-sets.14545/post-1393031 & there is some discussion in the posts following the referenced post.

The most drastic example of this I can point to is when we play 50/100 limit in our cardroom. The cardroom generally wants to use $25 chips and if/when they do that the game is a 2 chip game, ie 2 x $25 for a total of $50 for both the Big Blind and also for the small bets preflop and on the flop. Sometimes the players convert a 40/80 game which uses $10 chips and is a 4 chip structure into a $50/$100 & the cardroom allows them to continue using the $10 chips and it makes the game a 5 chip game. The game almost never goes unless it gets converted and when it does, it lasts 24/7 for days. The difference is amazing! When it is a 2 chip game, the pots are tiny and no one wants to play. The game will almost always break within a few hours at most. When it is a 5 chip game, it is amazing with massive pots and everyone wanting to get into the game. Like I said, it will last for days because it is so good....

Another example is when we first started 22 yrs ago, they started out with a 10/20 limit game with $5 chips. (2 chip structure) and it didn't work well at all. Soon after they switched to 8/16 (4 chip) and the game has been an amazing success ever since.

Since we are in the live stacks thread, here is my stack near the end of my 20/40 limit session last Friday night. Buy in for 3 racks and cash out for $3919
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well detailed response thanks for clarifying.
 
lewan said:
well detailed response thanks for clarifying.
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Here is the thing about limit. I totally get it why nl players would say they don't like it. I hear the comments like "you can never bluff" or "you can never get anyone to fold" and "it is just all luck" or "it is bingo" etc and while those comments do have merit, it is for those very reasons that the game will remain amazing for ever. 80% of the players never figure out that it isn't a good long term strategy to open flat in early position with 75% of all hands. Just because everyone is doing it and someone is getting lucky rivering 2 pair or a straight or a flush almost every hand does not make it profitable long term.

Of course, If I can choose to play in a great nl game or a great limit game I am going to choose the great nl game every time, however the problem is that just about all nl games become bad nl games pretty quickly and that just never happens in limit. I would choose to play in a good limit game over a bad nl game any time. It is true that there is a LOT more luck involved in a single hand of limit than in nl and that is mostly because in limit people tend to play WAY more hands. Obviously, long term this is a mistake, but in the short term it makes winning any single hand more about getting lucky and less about having the best starting hand. Of course limit can be very frustrating short term, but it does make for a good game that is much more friendly to everyone and encourages bad play much more than nl does.
 
Nanook said:
Here is the thing about limit. I totally get it why nl players would say they don't like it. I hear the comments like "you can never bluff" or "you can never get anyone to fold" and "it is just all luck" or "it is bingo" etc and while those comments do have merit, it is for those very reasons that the game will remain amazing for ever. 80% of the players never figure out that it isn't a good long term strategy to open flat in early position with 75% of all hands. Just because everyone is doing it and someone is getting lucky rivering 2 pair or a straight or a flush almost every hand does not make it profitable long term.

Of course, If I can choose to play in a great nl game or a great limit game I am going to choose the great nl game every time, however the problem is that just about all nl games become bad nl games pretty quickly and that just never happens in limit. I would choose to play in a good limit game over a bad nl game any time. It is true that there is a LOT more luck involved in a single hand of limit than in nl and that is mostly because in limit people tend to play WAY more hands. Obviously, long term this is a mistake, but in the short term it makes winning any single hand more about getting lucky and less about having the best starting hand. Of course limit can be very frustrating short term, but it does make for a good game that is much more friendly to everyone and encourages bad play much more than nl does.
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I hear all of the same comments from NL players as well. I love playing limit poker and actually prefer to play it most of the time. It requires a different mindset that aggressive players don't like because they can't push someone off a hand. For me, playing in position is key, and maximizing value on my made/strong hands has helped me be successful for the most part. But you have to be a disciplined player. It's too easy to get caught up calling every hand because there is so much action.
 
Nanook said:
See the posts below

No, not at all

I will expand on this later, but this does actually happen just about 100% of the time

You can do what ever you want, but 3 & 4 chip structure (meaning 3 chips or 4 chips for the Big Blind & for the small bets) is in fact the sweet spot.

I discussed this at length here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/limit-sets-limit-sets-more-limit-sets.14545/post-1393031 & there is some discussion in the posts following the referenced post.

The most drastic example of this I can point to is when we play 50/100 limit in our cardroom. The cardroom generally wants to use $25 chips and if/when they do that the game is a 2 chip game, ie 2 x $25 for a total of $50 for both the Big Blind and also for the small bets preflop and on the flop. Sometimes the players convert a 40/80 game which uses $10 chips and is a 4 chip structure into a $50/$100 & the cardroom allows them to continue using the $10 chips and it makes the game a 5 chip game. The game almost never goes unless it gets converted and when it does, it lasts 24/7 for days. The difference is amazing! When it is a 2 chip game, the pots are tiny and no one wants to play. The game will almost always break within a few hours at most. When it is a 5 chip game, it is amazing with massive pots and everyone wanting to get into the game. Like I said, it will last for days because it is so good....

Another example is when we first started 22 yrs ago, they started out with a 10/20 limit game with $5 chips. (2 chip structure) and it didn't work well at all. Soon after they switched to 8/16 (4 chip) and the game has been an amazing success ever since.

Since we are in the live stacks thread, here is my stack near the end of my 20/40 limit session last Friday night. Buy in for 3 racks and cash out for $3919. Looks like I have $3804 in the pic below.
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Love those chips. And I love them more in a stack like that. Very nice!!
 
toothpic said:
Table change!
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It was the only table running for the first few hours. They opened another table—average age is probably half this one. But I can’t switch because the other table is the feeder. :cautious:

But I might be going on a heater, so I’ll stick around. :p
 

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