SHUFFLE AHEAD OR SHUFFLE BEHIND? (52 Viewers)

[timinater]

When we get short we flip to the BB shuffling since they'd be last to act, but as a rule we always shuffle behind.

 

[Lopii9]

Sorry for my ignorance guys, first time i've heard this. Does shuffle behind means that the current cutoff is shuffling the second deck, whilst the (button) dealer proceeds the hand with the first deck. Meaning that the cutoff is shuffling the deck for the currect SB that will become the dealer in the next hand?

I think we have always shuffled ahead (SB for his next button) as he/she is one of the last to act once the card have been dealt, giving them enough time to have shuffled the deck. But I'm willing to try the other method without overcomplicate things (shuffling a deck to then pass along to the next dealer, if my above reasoning is correct)

Thanks for your insights!

 

[ChipMonster]

Sorry for my ignorance guys, first time i've heard this. Does shuffle behind means that the current cutoff is shuffling the second deck, whilst the (button) dealer proceeds the hand with the first deck. Meaning that the cutoff is shuffling the deck for the currect SB that will become the dealer in the next hand?

I think we have always shuffled ahead (SB for his next button) as he/she is one of the last to act once the card have been dealt, giving them enough time to have shuffled the deck. But I'm willing to try the other method without overcomplicate things (shuffling a deck to then pass along to the next dealer, if my above reasoning is correct)

Thanks for your insights!

Yes, cutoff is shuffling while the current dealer is managing the live hand. Once current hand is over, cutoff who just shuffled slides deck to the left to the previous dealer, previous dealer cuts to the previous SB who is now the dealer in the next hand. Previous dealer gathers cards from the previous live hand and shuffles as the now current cutoff.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Old man game strictly shuffles ahead and I can't rock the boat, my games always shuffle behind. Clean up your mess.

 

[Lopii9]

Yes, cutoff is shuffling while the current dealer is managing the live hand. Once current hand is over, cutoff who just shuffled slides deck to the left to the previous dealer, previous dealer cuts to the previous SB who is now the dealer in the next hand. Previous dealer gathers cards from the previous live hand and shuffles as the now current cutoff.

Thanks @ChipMonster, will implement it in my tourney tomorrow!

 

[SetToBean]

Behind. I am quite sure we would have to constantly remind the person “ahead” to deal every single hand! Don’t need that headache. I’m having no problems with behind so no need to change.

This is probably true for any group that isn't just hardcore regs - definitely is for mine.

Ultimately I just ended up going with designated dealers because it was reaching the point that it would've required constant nagging otherwise.

 

[mdt11]

This is probably true for any group that isn't just hardcore regs - definitely is for mine.

Ultimately I just ended up going with designated dealers because it was reaching the point that it would've required constant nagging.

Designated dealer and designated shuffler is the nuts if you have a small group of players who care about moving the game quickly and a bunch of others who don’t ha.

 

[LeCoq]

I have been running into this issue where hosts have strong preferences so I thought I'd create a poll to see what the concensus is. For me there's no doubt shuffle behind is the way to go. The person who just dealt gathers the cards and shuffles while the player to their left deals the next hand. Please vote your preference and if you'd like share your opinions why.

this is exactly what we do at my house

 

[SSTB2213]

Yes, cutoff is shuffling while the current dealer is managing the live hand. Once current hand is over, cutoff who just shuffled slides deck to the left to the previous dealer, previous dealer cuts to the previous SB who is now the dealer in the next hand. Previous dealer gathers cards from the previous live hand and shuffles as the now current cutoff.

Thank you! Will try this way.

 

[UncleMilty]

14 player 2 table tournament last night. I introduced and implemented shuffle behind for the first time. All regular players at my game. Cut off shuffled, previous dealer cut, previous small blind deals. My group struggled with the cut, and one guy struggled with everything. He eventually went all in with flush and I had the and he stormed out on full tilt pissing and moaning about the change. Once he left, we all agreed the cut was a problem. We then agreed to let the cut off cut the deck and hand it to SB who was ready to deal. It went very efficiently after that. BTW- the grumpy guy was also offended by the implication that this change was to prevent cheating.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

14 player 2 table tournament last night. I introduced and implemented shuffle behind for the first time. All regular players at my game. Cut off shuffled, previous dealer cut, previous small blind deals. My group struggled with the cut, and only guy struggled with everything. He eventually went all in with flush and I had the and stormed out on full tilt pissing and moaning about the change. Once he left, we all agreed the cut was a problem. We then agreed to let the cut off cut the deck and hand it to SB who was ready to deal. It went very efficiently after that. BTW- the grumpy guy was also offended by the implication that this change was to prevent cheating.

I always make it clear in my games that these procedures are to minimize the appearance of possible cheating. Essentially:

"If I thought anyone at this table was cheating, you'd already be gone. But we still do things to minimize the risk of cheating. I want new or infrequent players to see that we take the possibility of cheating seriously and we have rules in place to prevent it."

 

[RocAFella1]

Shuffle behind bridge size

 

[RocAFella1]

previous dealer cuts to the previous SB who is now the dealer in the next hand.

Process is more streamlined in my experience with the “previous SB” cutting the deck without having to involve “previous dealer”.

 

[chippitydoodah]

Process is more streamlined in my experience with the “previous SB” cutting the deck without having to involve “previous dealer”.

The "previous SB" is the new dealer. If you want to be paranoid then the new dealer should have nothing to do with shuffling or cutting the deck. I'm fine with it as long as the deck gets cut by someone other than the person who shuffled. For me, after I deal I gather the cards, shuffle them and place the cut card on top and put the deck next to the person to my left (The Dealer). He deals then gathers those cards and cuts the deck I shuffled for the SB to then become Dealer.

 

[RocAFella1]

It gets to be a drag when the shuffled deck is passed through the current dealer to be cut, interrupting the deal or distracting them from what their task at hand is. I understand the extra layer of security but if a game is that paranoid about cheating that someone who didn’t shuffle the deck also can’t cut it I’m not sure I’d play regularly in that game.

 

[JDPoker]

I play in two games, one shuffles ahead (so the dealer shuffles his own deck), one shuffles behind (so after you deal, you cut the deck for the new dealer and then shuffle your cards for the next dealer). Shuffle behind just feels better to me.