When we get short we flip to the BB shuffling since they'd be last to act, but as a rule we always shuffle behind.
SHUFFLE AHEAD OR SHUFFLE BEHIND? (3 Viewers)
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Sorry for my ignorance guys, first time i've heard this. Does shuffle behind means that the current cutoff is shuffling the second deck, whilst the (button) dealer proceeds the hand with the first deck. Meaning that the cutoff is shuffling the deck for the currect SB that will become the dealer in the next hand?
I think we have always shuffled ahead (SB for his next button) as he/she is one of the last to act once the card have been dealt, giving them enough time to have shuffled the deck. But I'm willing to try the other method without overcomplicate things (shuffling a deck to then pass along to the next dealer, if my above reasoning is correct)
Thanks for your insights!
I think we have always shuffled ahead (SB for his next button) as he/she is one of the last to act once the card have been dealt, giving them enough time to have shuffled the deck. But I'm willing to try the other method without overcomplicate things (shuffling a deck to then pass along to the next dealer, if my above reasoning is correct)
Thanks for your insights!
ChipMonster
3 of a Kind
Yes, cutoff is shuffling while the current dealer is managing the live hand. Once current hand is over, cutoff who just shuffled slides deck to the left to the previous dealer, previous dealer cuts to the previous SB who is now the dealer in the next hand. Previous dealer gathers cards from the previous live hand and shuffles as the now current cutoff.
Old man game strictly shuffles ahead and I can't rock the boat, my games always shuffle behind. Clean up your mess.
Thanks @ChipMonster, will implement it in my tourney tomorrow!
SetToBean
Pair
This is probably true for any group that isn't just hardcore regs - definitely is for mine.
Ultimately I just ended up going with designated dealers because it was reaching the point that it would've required constant nagging otherwise.
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Designated dealer and designated shuffler is the nuts if you have a small group of players who care about moving the game quickly and a bunch of others who don’t ha.
LeCoq
Two Pair
this is exactly what we do at my house
SSTB2213
Pair
Thank you! Will try this way.
14 player 2 table tournament last night. I introduced and implemented shuffle behind for the first time. All regular players at my game. Cut off shuffled, previous dealer cut, previous small blind deals. My group struggled with the cut, and one guy struggled with everything. He eventually went all in with 
flush and I had the 
and he stormed out on full tilt pissing and moaning about the change. Once he left, we all agreed the cut was a problem. We then agreed to let the cut off cut the deck and hand it to SB who was ready to deal. It went very efficiently after that. BTW- the grumpy guy was also offended by the implication that this change was to prevent cheating.
flush and I had the and he stormed out on full tilt pissing and moaning about the change. Once he left, we all agreed the cut was a problem. We then agreed to let the cut off cut the deck and hand it to SB who was ready to deal. It went very efficiently after that. BTW- the grumpy guy was also offended by the implication that this change was to prevent cheating.
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I always make it clear in my games that these procedures are to minimize the appearance of possible cheating. Essentially:14 player 2 table tournament last night. I introduced and implemented shuffle behind for the first time. All regular players at my game. Cut off shuffled, previous dealer cut, previous small blind deals. My group struggled with the cut, and only guy struggled with everything. He eventually went all in with
"If I thought anyone at this table was cheating, you'd already be gone. But we still do things to minimize the risk of cheating. I want new or infrequent players to see that we take the possibility of cheating seriously and we have rules in place to prevent it."
RocAFella1
Royal Flush
Shuffle behind bridge size
RocAFella1
Royal Flush
Process is more streamlined in my experience with the “previous SB” cutting the deck without having to involve “previous dealer”.
OP
OP
The "previous SB" is the new dealer. If you want to be paranoid then the new dealer should have nothing to do with shuffling or cutting the deck. I'm fine with it as long as the deck gets cut by someone other than the person who shuffled. For me, after I deal I gather the cards, shuffle them and place the cut card on top and put the deck next to the person to my left (The Dealer). He deals then gathers those cards and cuts the deck I shuffled for the SB to then become Dealer.
RocAFella1
Royal Flush
It gets to be a drag when the shuffled deck is passed through the current dealer to be cut, interrupting the deal or distracting them from what their task at hand is. I understand the extra layer of security but if a game is that paranoid about cheating that someone who didn’t shuffle the deck also can’t cut it I’m not sure I’d play regularly in that game.
JDPoker
Pair
I play in two games, one shuffles ahead (so the dealer shuffles his own deck), one shuffles behind (so after you deal, you cut the deck for the new dealer and then shuffle your cards for the next dealer). Shuffle behind just feels better to me.
ChipMonster
3 of a Kind
I don’t feel too strongly about who cuts to be honest and agree with you. It’s just the process we use but I don’t have any issues with someone else cutting either.
We’ll get to that. For some reason it was way more dramatic than it needed to be changing from shuffling in front to behind. When I removed the current dealers responsibility of cutting the newly shuffled deck, it calmed everyone down and it was much more efficient. Who knew?
One regular of mine was so discombobulated by it he went full tilt, all in when he shouldn’t have, lost the hand and left.JM_Flop
Sitting Out
We tried shuffle ahead before and its just a hassle. So we gave up on it. Gonna try the shuffle behind next time. I feel like an idiot. This seems so much better and easier to have the previous dealer shuffle lol
We are civilized, so obviously we shuffle behind.
Oryx
Pair
I've never run two decks at my table, is it really a time saver? Is that the main reason someone would run two decks on a table?
its much, much faster. Even if its not perfectly ready when the next hand starts, the decks already been shuffled and placed in a pile somewhere with the cut card on top. Someone cuts and deals while the last hand is being cleaned up and shuffled.
Just make sure you use decks with obviously different back colors: red and black, green and yellow, etc. Even similar colors like dark blue and black can be problematic.
Deckmate shuffle now
But I used to shuffle ahead
But I used to shuffle ahead
OP
OP
Whenever I'm playing with my friends it's super casual (none of us have actually been to a casino, we're broke college students and would get eaten alive), so most of the time I'm the dedicated card dealer, and I have whoever's on my right shuffle the last deck of cards we just played. That said whenever we switch decks I give it a couple more shuffles myself and then have the button cut the cards.
ashetoother
Sitting Out
Same here. Someone suggested shuffling behind and we were all so confused. I guess I see the value now.
SetToBean
Pair
The time saving is enormous once the group has a general hang of shuffling and the rotations. For groups with designated dealers, it's even better.
Add in a shuffling machine and a 8-9max table you might be able to rotate through three decks for minimal downtime.
OP
OP
We're gonna need a bigger table.
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