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So it Begins... (3 Viewers)

kk405 said:
By no means am I suggesting the NAGBs will stop. I actually don't believe they will. But I do think their spot pattern availability will continue to be very challenging. If I were a betting man, I would say a few years from now most/many of the more complex patterns will disappear from their 'then current' catalog. What we've seen their in-house art department design for the most recent casinos is the direction they are headed: simple patterns that are economically profitable...yet unpleasant to the eyes/collection of most PCFers.
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Interesting but makes sense that they would be optimizing cost to make chips. Wonder what’s the difference in cost to make a bear claw vs a simpler chip.

On the flip side, this reduces the available patterns to create unique/secure chips for their casinos. I guess more asymmetrical chips coming :D
 
fishsaybloop said:
Wonder what’s the difference in cost to make a bear claw vs a simpler chip.
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I don't know the exact figures, but I understand it's pretty meaningful given some prices I've seen.
fishsaybloop said:
On the flip side, this reduces the available patterns to create unique/secure chips for their casinos. I guess more asymmetrical chips coming :D
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Combine lots of crazy/weird base and spot colors, you can still create an infinite number of horrendous chips. I am constantly surprised by how progressively worse their new casino sets are getting...not sure if there is a limit to it, unfortunately.
 
kk405 said:
I don't know the exact figures, but I understand it's pretty meaningful given some prices I've seen.

Combine lots of crazy/weird base and spot colors, you can still create an infinite number of horrendous chips. I am constantly surprised by how progressively worse their new casino sets are getting...not sure if there is a limit to it, unfortunately.
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since its about the money for gpi, what if you offer more money for the patterns they don't produce anymore, say it cost $1.50 a chip to produce and you want the pattern that gpi won't do anymore, and you offer $3.00 a chip, do you think they will do it.
 
dkq999 said:
since its about the money for gpi, what if you offer more money for the patterns they don't produce anymore, say it cost $1.50 a chip to produce and you want the pattern that gpi won't do anymore, and you offer $3.00 a chip, do you think they will do it.
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Sounds like that’s what they did this time, and were told it won’t be done again.
 
Organista1 said:
I’m willing to get divorced over these tiger chips! How do I get a golden ticket? :unsure::LOL: :laugh:
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dkq999 said:
since its about the money for gpi, what if you offer more money for the patterns they don't produce anymore, say it cost $1.50 a chip to produce and you want the pattern that gpi won't do anymore, and you offer $3.00 a chip, do you think they will do it.
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CPC price plan.
 
kk405 said:
I could be wrong, but I don't believe price is a major factor regarding this particular issue.
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Game theory.

Paulson continues to lose market share and income to plastics, while dealer dealt table games continue to lose real estate on casino floors.

NAGBs increasingly slip by under the radar because they make money. Paulsons claims that they limit spot patterns is just a sales tactic to upsell NAGB buyers, because they are the only customers who value style over security/price.

Imagine buying $25k cash chips with no rfid/advanced security.. ? They know.

They got what they are worth, they made a profit. They aren’t going to stop doing that, so long as it doesn’t kick them in the nuts security-wise.

Eventually they throw in the towel on compression clays for casinos, because they have a product that is better.

Maybe they continue to produce, with @JeepologyOffroad as an Art Director. And it’s a boutique product.
 
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Johnblue said:
Game theory.

Paulson continues to lose market share and income to plastics, while dealer dealt table games continue to lose real estate on casino floors.

NAGBs increasingly slip by under the radar because they make money. Paulsons claims that they limit spot patterns is just a sales tactic to upsell NAGB buyers, because they are the only customers who value style over security/price.

Imagine buying $25k cash chips with no rfid/advanced security.. ? They know.

They got what they are worth, they made a profit. They aren’t going to stop doing that, so long as it doesn’t kick them in the nuts security-wise.

Eventually they throw in the towel on compression clays for casinos, because they have a product that is better.

Maybe they continue to produce, with @JeepologyOffroad as an Art Director. And it’s a boutique product.
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I’ve got to imagine that even now the volume they get from casinos massively dwarfs what we could do as consumers - and you’ve all seen the shitty simple casino designs on RHC - these aren’t just slightly easier and cheaper to make, but also the casinos are way simpler to deal with. They send the design and the artwork in and they wait for chips, versus what is likely a much more involved sale in the design phase with a much more nuanced and fickle consumer customer base (making our base even more of a cost to Paulson).
 
toothpic said:
Let's hope no one buys these chips and starts to auction off single barrels at a time.
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this will happen one way or the other…. Even if PCF will shut these threads down, they will move on to different locations…
I would be happy to see threads where buyers sell not needed barrels for just the purchase price.
 
NeoViny23 said:
this will happen one way or the other…. Even if PCF will shut these threads down, they will move on to different locations…
I would be happy to see threads where buyers sell not needed barrels for just the purchase price.
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I would also be happy for world peace and for candy to fall from the skies.

Not saying that there aren’t nice nonviolent people in the world and I have occasionally been offered a toffee.
 
Johnblue said:
Game theory.

Paulson continues to lose market share and income to plastics, while dealer dealt table games continue to lose real estate on casino floors.

NAGBs increasingly slip by under the radar because they make money. Paulsons claims that they limit spot patterns is just a sales tactic to upsell NAGB buyers, because they are the only customers who value style over security/price.

Imagine buying $25k cash chips with no rfid/advanced security.. ? They know.

They got what they are worth, they made a profit. They aren’t going to stop doing that, so long as it doesn’t kick them in the nuts security-wise.

Eventually they throw in the towel on compression clays for casinos, because they have a product that is better.

Maybe they continue to produce, with @JeepologyOffroad as an Art Director. And it’s a boutique product.
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Or ... they open up the Suit Mold to the public, reinvigorate that market, everyone wins. They can provide customs, maintain security, and minimize the losses from ceramics/ digital gaming trends.
 
Johnblue said:
Game theory.

Paulson continues to lose market share and income to plastics, while dealer dealt table games continue to lose real estate on casino floors.

NAGBs increasingly slip by under the radar because they make money. Paulsons claims that they limit spot patterns is just a sales tactic to upsell NAGB buyers, because they are the only customers who value style over security/price.

Imagine buying $25k cash chips with no rfid/advanced security.. ? They know.

They got what they are worth, they made a profit. They aren’t going to stop doing that, so long as it doesn’t kick them in the nuts security-wise.

Eventually they throw in the towel on compression clays for casinos, because they have a product that is better.

Maybe they continue to produce, with @JeepologyOffroad as an Art Director. And it’s a boutique product.
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Since there have been several NAGB's and likely some in the pipeline as I type, is it generally now assumed that GPI is now aware what's happening and simply doesn't care? If so, would it be possible to run a GB that would make it possible for more chippers to get new Paulson's at cost+fees+shipping etc.?
 
Meddler2 said:
Since there have been several NAGB's and likely some in the pipeline as I type, is it generally now assumed that GPI is now aware what's happening and simply doesn't care? If so, would it be possible to run a GB that would make it possible for more chippers to get new Paulson's at cost+fees
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How sweet would one massive Group Buy be?

This one seems to be like half way there, seems like folks will have some access.
 
TheWhat said:
How sweet would one massive Group Buy be?

This one seems to be like half way there, seems like folks will have some access.
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It would be interesting but as I am a fan of capitalism I see it very hard for people who have this access to give that up to the masses. No disrespect meant by that at all either. There’s a lot of profit to be made by whoever can get these deals done. Would it be amazing if any of these NAGBs were offered to us at cost? Absolutely. Do I see it happening? Highly unlikely but I would love to be proved wrong.
 
TheWhat said:
Or ... they open up the Suit Mold to the public, reinvigorate that market, everyone wins. They can provide customs, maintain security, and minimize the losses from ceramics/ digital gaming trends.
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Maybe they bring back leaded chips for the “responsible” home chipper :D
 
kk405 said:
By no means am I suggesting the NAGBs will stop. I actually don't believe they will. But I do think their spot pattern availability will continue to be very challenging. If I were a betting man, I would say a few years from now most/many of the more complex patterns will disappear from their 'then current' catalog. What we've seen their in-house art department design for the most recent casinos is the direction they are headed: simple patterns that are economically profitable...yet unpleasant to the eyes/collection of most PCFers.
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They have to have different colors and spots to create enough choices that haven't already been taken by other casinos, so maybe we see other spots and colors in the future
 
chipinla said:
It would be interesting but as I am a fan of capitalism I see it very hard for people who have this access to give that up to the masses. No disrespect meant by that at all either. There’s a lot of profit to be made by whoever can get these deals done. Would it be amazing if any of these NAGBs were offered to us at cost? Absolutely. Do I see it happening? Highly unlikely but I would love to be proved wrong.
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You can be a fan of capitalism without endorsing monopolies and price fixing. Look at GPIs acquisitions. If CPC got casino sales they’d be bought up in a heartbeat.
 
I'd support some profiteering to the Designer, and Financier. Gotta be some % based system that could be applied, no?

What volume could this place sell on a true Group Buy?
 

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