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Someone please explain the DIBS system here in the Classifieds/m2m (2 Viewers)

superchromix said:
The truth is that the classifieds have never worked the way certain members are claiming. Accepting purchase offers by PM that were not posted in the for sale thread happens all the time, and has since the beginning of PCF.

The only reason this ridiculous thread exists is because a few noisy members are upset that they didn’t get their killer deal on some under-priced chips posted by old-time CTers who didn’t know the current market. To those people, sorry you missed out, but there is little use crying about it for days on end.
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Uh. No. My responses had nothing to do about "missing out on a crazy deal".....
 
superchromix said:
The only reason this ridiculous thread exists is because a few noisy members are upset that they didn’t get their killer deal on some under-priced chips posted by old-time CTers who didn’t know the current market. To those people, sorry you missed out, but there is little use crying about it for days on end.
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I haven't even on commented on here in days, but it seems like you still enjoy talking about it. I have said my piece. My issues related to the other buyer, not so much the seller, and what frustrated me most was seeing it happen to someone else two days in a row for chips they really had been searching for which you would have appreciated if you actually read my crying.
 
wuffle said:
This is the 3rd time happening to me and I am getting quite frustrated. Being the first to post dibs and sending a PM immediately after. However, all 3 times the sellers claimed they have already sold the chips - the latest being this post https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/700-bcc-cdi-chipset-50-1-5-25-900.76156/
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I get the frustration, but unless the seller specifies it is a public dibs sale, dibs should not inherently be expected to be honored. It's not really fair to chastise the seller for that in the linked instance. It still sucks though, sorry.

Edit: I would add that in a perfect world, however, the terms of sale should be plainly stated in the thread. This would solve pretty much any potential issues with regard to dibs, etc. It's not a requirement though as it stands.
 
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wuffle said:
This is the 3rd time happening to me and I am getting quite frustrated. Being the first to post dibs and sending a PM immediately after. However, all 3 times the sellers claimed they have already sold the chips - the latest being this post https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/700-bcc-cdi-chipset-50-1-5-25-900.76156/
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"dibs" doesn't mean jack shit unless the seller says so

posting "dibs" isn't a requirement for contacting the seller and offering to buy them

you didn't get the chips because someone beat you to them, they just didn't say anything out loud about it
 
CrazyEddie said:
"dibs" doesn't mean jack shit unless the seller says so

posting "dibs" isn't a requirement for contacting the seller and offering to buy them

you didn't get the chips because someone beat you to them, they just didn't say anything out loud about it
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Lets be honest - It is entirely possible that he didn't get some chips because he's in Singapore. It's not like anybody has anything against people who live in Singapore - it's just that the whole international shipping thing is a drag. For Americans, shipping domestically is so simple, that it's easier to pass over an international buyer, for a domestic one. I'm not saying it's fair or right or anything; I'm just saying it's reality.
 
Why invent reasons that the seller might be lying ("he doesn't want to ship internationally but doesn't want to say so"), when the seller's story is completely unremarkable ("someone else replied before you did") ?
 
Seller probably got multiple PMs in the first 60 seconds. He tells the first guy "okay" and everyone after that "sorry".

Sometime later the buyer and seller work out payment and shipping arrangements and finalize the payment, and then the seller comes back to update the listing and say that they're sold. Thirty minutes to get all that done is fast.
 
CrazyEddie said:
Why invent reasons that the seller might be lying ("he doesn't want to ship internationally but doesn't want to say so"), when the seller's story is completely unremarkable ("someone else replied before you did") ?
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Because I don't believe everything that everybody says.
 
upNdown said:
Because I don't believe everything that everybody says.
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I don't either, but also I don't disbelieve everything that everybody says. Why is the seller lying a more plausible scenario than the seller telling the truth?
 
So the seller admitted that this was indeed a "dibs" (first-come, first-served) sale, but the OP came second or third.
This should be documented by posting in the sale thread first and then PMing, for transparency reasons.

No need for that, if the sale were NOT a dibs sale, and the seller reserved the right to sell to anybody he liked, at the given price.
IMHO.
 
Yet another indication of why I think the lottery system works best for anything desirable. Leave it open for 24 hours, let's everyone around the world get an equal chance at the item. Right to buy is chosen by lottery in form of a random number generator or dealing a hand. No crying foul and no hurt feelings.
 
Coyote said:
So the seller admitted that this was indeed a "dibs" (first-come, first-served) sale, but the OP came second or third.
This should be documented by posting in the sale thread first and then PMing, for transparency reasons.

No need for that, if the sale were NOT a dibs sale, and the seller reserved the right to sell to anybody he liked, at the given price.
IMHO.
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"first come first serve" even if that's the seller's intention doesn't mean "first posting in the thread, first serve" which is what this ridiculous "dibs" notion is all about.
 
CrazyEddie said:
I don't either, but also I don't disbelieve everything that everybody says. Why is the seller lying a more plausible scenario than the seller telling the truth?
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I never said it was MORE plausible. I said it was possible. It was possible that in THREE transactions where he was the first to post dibs, in one of those transactions, he didn't get the entire truth.
And maybe I could have elaborated - dibs don't mean shit, life isn't fair, don't get worked up over something that never happened . . . I was coming from a place of experience and truth, saying that not everything is always as it appears to me, and that's life.

Why is it so important for you to make up details that support the statements he got from three different transactions.
CrazyEddie said:
Seller probably got multiple PMs in the first 60 seconds. He tells the first guy "okay" and everyone after that "sorry".

Sometime later the buyer and seller work out payment and shipping arrangements and finalize the payment, and then the seller comes back to update the listing and say that they're sold. Thirty minutes to get all that done is fast.
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CrazyEddie said:
"first come first serve" even if that's the seller's intention doesn't mean "first posting in the thread, first serve" which is what this ridiculous "dibs" notion is all about.
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Maybe I 'm wrong or naive, but, as a seller, I would examine the offers in the order of public posts in the sale thread.
If I got PMed first by a member who posted second, I 'd tell them "I 'll have to talk first to the guy who posted first".

Unless I clearly stated that the sale is not a first-come first-served one.
 
Another unfortunate possibility is someone sniped it with a higher offer via pm. Can and should people do this are two different discussions but I do feel like it’s in conflict with the spirit of the “sales ads must have a listed price” rule.
 
That guy that sold the item last post was in 2019 selling the same thing, only differences is that time also people pm and post but he just went MIA for 2 year and come back to post and sell the same thing.

I Guess it really depend on what type of person u dealing with when buying and selling

He not even using the actual time photo so the chip could even be in terrible stage kinda red flag, I think wuffie May have even dodge a bullet this time round.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
Another unfortunate possibility is someone sniped it with a higher offer via pm. Can and should people do this are two different discussions but I do feel like it’s in conflict with the spirit of the “sales ads must have a listed price” rule.
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This is the scenario that had reignited this thread not too long ago. It’s also the type of situation that has led me to just transact directly with people via PM as much as possible and not use the classifieds unless absolutely needed.
 
This seems overdue.

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Coyote said:
Maybe I 'm wrong or naive, but, as a seller, I would examine the offers in the order of public posts in the sale thread.
If I got PMed first by a member who posted second, I 'd tell them "I 'll have to talk first to the guy who posted first".

Unless I clearly stated that the sale is not a first-come first-served one.
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Well, it's certainly not wrong for you to do that, because as a seller you can do what you like.

If it were me, and I were just trying to get rid of the chips, I'd sell them to the first person whose offer I saw and not dick around with timestamps in messages and posts in threads. I wouldn't be trying to be "fair" according to someone else's ideas of what the right way to sell chips is. And if someone told me that I owed the sale to them because WELL AKSHUALLY I WAS THE FIRST ONE WHO POSTED well then I'd tell them to take a hike.

[this is not at all the way I intend to sell chips, not that I ever intend to sell chips - I'm just making the point that it's the seller's expectations and desires that matter, not those of anyone who thinks they know what the seller is supposed to do]
 
upNdown said:
I never said it was MORE plausible. I said it was possible. It was possible that in THREE transactions where he was the first to post dibs, in one of those transactions, he didn't get the entire truth.
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Fair enough. I guess I don't see it as surprising that this might happen to someone three times. I imagine it happens a lot.
 
I am the seller for said chips. I was not gonna comment, but figured I should to set the story straight. As I said to wuffle, someone PM’d 1 minute before him about the chips being sold to someone else, which I’m sure he didn’t believe. I never stated on the For Sale thread that I had a “dibs” rule. Second, is dibs even a thing? “Hey man, dibs on that girl”. If I followed that I wouldn’t be married to my wife . End of the day, I can sell the chips to whoever I would like, I can even set them on fire if I wish to.
 

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