Spew or nah? (1 Viewer)

[Chippy McChiperson]

Three people left in the BBOTB Main Event. First pays $940, second $600, third $400. Hero is on the button with about 35k. Blinds are 1k/2k/200, SB has about 95k, BB about 80k. Both are solid players. Hero has zero bounties, and has been playing uncharacteristically tight, but the other two short stacks recently got eliminated so there are no more ICM considerations.

Hero looks down to see KTss, and raises to 5k. SB raises to 12k, and BB folds. Hero shoves. Spew or nah, and why or why not?

 

[MegaTon44]

Nah, KQs is strong in a 3-handed game. Probably a flip in most cases. If not, oh well. Better than the shit you've been getting.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Nah, KQs is strong in a 3-handed game. Probably a flip in most cases. If not, oh well. Better than the shit you've been getting.

Crap edited my initial post. Don't know why I put KQ it was KTss.

 

[Ben]

Very close. I think I'm leaning towards a fold after getting 3-bet, but I would have just open-shipped and let the chips sort themselves out.

Edit: above was for KQss. KTss is clearly a fold as played (though I probably still ship from the button.)

 

[MegaTon44]

Yup, you spewed. WTF? Honestly, that's not ridiculously bad. The bulk of the time you are up against a middle pair, so it's a flip anyway. That relatively small 3-bet would have me concerned, but I would figure hero still has outs. $400 ain't that bad.

 

[derekdd23]

< 20 BB with this hand and stack is a shove for me.

 

[Kensco]

I'd lobby strongly to call it a game and chop the pool.

Failing that, push it all in and hope for the best

 

[thorwilliam]

Unless the opponent are hyper aggressive, I guess it is a fold. We don't have any fold equity and will likely be behind when he calls.

 

[JoseRijo]

An open shove seems silly to me. You've got the button, so a call by one or both blinds is hardly a disaster.

Once you get 3-bet, SB isn't folding. What's wrong with a call here? Even if you fold on the flop, you still have enough to go in push/fold mode.

 

[jbutler]

An open shove seems silly to me. You've got the button, so a call by one or both blinds is hardly a disaster.

Once you get 3-bet, SB isn't folding. What's wrong with a call here? Even if you fold on the flop, you still have enough to go in push/fold mode.

I had refrained from posting because I'm a tourney fish, but I'm glad to see the reigning champion say what I was thinking. You'll still have plenty for a push/fold orbit here.

 

[bentax1978]

I also refrained from posting here as I am also a tournament fish. A tournament fish who was responsible for doubling up the eventual winner, sending him on his inevitable path to victory.

 

[Marius L]

the problem with calling is that you might be behind even if you hit your pair though

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

An open shove seems silly to me. You've got the button, so a call by one or both blinds is hardly a disaster.

Once you get 3-bet, SB isn't folding. What's wrong with a call here? Even if you fold on the flop, you still have enough to go in push/fold mode.

Dont you think shoving might fold out small and possibly middle aces, or is BB pot committed?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

SB is chip leader, and is getting a touch over 2:1 on calling your shove. Even if SB loses, he'll still have 30BB and stacks will be relatively even (60k/70k/80k). SB shouldn't be folding anything except maybe the weakest 3 bet bluff steals (and I'm not even sure about that).

 

[thorwilliam]

Dont you think shoving might fold out small and possibly middle aces, or is BB pot committed?

He is committed to call, and if he is a good player he should know this when he 3-bet and don't 3-bet light.

 

[AlPresidente]

Seems fine to me albeit marginal.

 

[JoseRijo]

I honestly don't remember what he had, but let's say it's A6o. Getting well over 2-1 plus the bounty is a snap-call to your shove.

But if you call and the flop is... I don't know, anything that he doesn't hit... Q 3 3, J 8 4, he has a pretty yucky decision.

 

[JoseRijo]

the problem with calling is that you might be behind even if you hit your pair though

Yes, and then you bust. He could definitely be doing it with a monster. Calling instead of shoving gives you two chances to win - making him fold when you both whiff or folding when you whiff.

 

[ssanel54]

I honestly don't remember what he had, but let's say it's A6o. Getting well over 2-1 plus the bounty is a snap-call to your shove.

But if you call and the flop is... I don't know, anything that he doesn't hit... Q 3 3, J 8 4, he has a pretty yucky decision.

I believe that hand was AJ or AQ?

We had been sitting next to each other for hours at 2 different tables, and I was 100% waiting for Chippy to make this move at some point with a lot less than KT. No way was I ever folding there.

 

[bentax1978]

Getting well over 2-1 plus the bounty is a snap-call to your shove.

Not to nit-pick, and I rarely play tournaments (aside from the weekly online pcf one) so I may be way off base here, but wouldn't the relative value of the bounty by the time you're at this point in the tournament be somewhat irrelevant give than the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd place money? I could see the bounty playing into a decision earlier on (potentially), but it seems hard to imagine that it would/should play much into a decision at this stage of the tournament.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I believe that hand was AJ or AQ?

We had been sitting next to each other for hours at 2 different tables, and I was 100% waiting for Chippy to make this move at some point with a lot less than KT. No way was I ever folding there.

Yeah, you had AJ off. You called obviously and neither one of us improved.

 

[Mojo1312]

Hard to argue with Jose Rios points IMO. Hero's and Villain's table images are also important considerations.

 

[onerand]

SB is chip leader, and is getting a touch over 2:1 on calling your shove. Even if SB loses, he'll still have 30BB and stacks will be relatively even (60k/70k/80k). SB shouldn't be folding anything except maybe the weakest 3 bet bluff steals (and I'm not even sure about that).

Agree with everything above, as well as what Keith and Scott wrote. Scott was getting better than 2 to 1 on the call. Even if he gives you a tighter range, even as tight as any pair, any ace, king 7 up, 2 broadway, I am not sure he can fold anything.

Your shove was ok against his likely range; he put you in a tough spot. Could have been 60 40 the other way.

 

[JoseRijo]

...wouldn't the relative value of the bounty by the time you're at this point in the tournament be somewhat irrelevant give than the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd place money?

Yeah, you're right. 2-1 still makes it an easy decision with anything he 3-bets.

 

[bentax1978]

Yeah, you're right. 2-1 still makes it an easy decision with anything he 3-bets.

Agreed. I was only nit-picking the bounty part of it

Speaking of bounties and playing KT, there was a brief moment in the tournament when a certain flop came out KTx that I thought I was going to steal your bounty chip. Turns out that flop isn't particularly good when you have KT and your opponent has KK