Straight flush on the board, WWYD? (2 Viewers)

[T_Chan]

House game at a friend's place, we all know each other decently well. 2 tables, 6 handed each table.

This is a season finale game so people start with different starting stacks. We're a few hours into the game, I'm sitting at close to 20k and villain has half as much though he started with 14k-ish I think.

At my table, I've got J 8 off UTG. I raise 3x. Folds around except for SB who calls. Blinds are 100/200.

Flop comes 5, 6, 8 all diamonds.

Villain checks. I bet 800. He calls.

Turn brings a 4D. I bet 1500. He calls.

River is a 7D completing the straight flush on the board. Villain shoves all in for 8k.

Here's the tricky part: Villain is known to be a solid player, TAG. Pretty smart player, cashes often, he even plays in Vegas during the WSOP (not the ME) and does well.
Hero starts to tank a bit, thinking about the hand. As Hero is thinking a minute or two, villain turns his hand over exposing 1 card, the Ace of diamonds, then turns it back over.

What do you do?

 

[fish72s]

Ask to see the other card?

 

[Mr. Cheese]

Maybe he's got the 9 of diamonds giving him a higher straight flush?

 

[Kain8]

What do you do?

Fold Jack 8 offsuit UTG for starters.

 

[T_Chan]

Fold Jack 8 offsuit UTG for starters.

That part of the hand is obvious

 

[Lemonzest]

Very interesting spot. I feel like showing 1 card almost always indicates strength... meaning I think he wants a call. My gut says he has it.

On the other hand this is a great spot for him to bluff knowing you need to have exactly 1 card in order to make the call AND win.

You have to make a huge call in the hopes of only chopping...not a spot I like to be in.

I would fold and wait for a better spot.

A9 of diamonds is also a hand he would very much play from SB to a standard raise so his range makes sense.

 

[saleen121212]

I call

 

[atomiktoaster]

What else is in villain's range? 10d, Jd, Qd, Ko, Qo, Jo? Chopping 11 out of 12 times I don't think the math says fold. Maybe with a line so passive you eliminate the higher end of that range?

 

[joker80]

Did @T_Chan have the J of diamonds? I think he would 3 bet or jam any AK, AQ. That leaves only A10 off, AJ, A2 diamonds. Probably folds any A 9 off and lower. I think he has it.....

 

[Jimulacrum]

His showing one card does seem to indicate that he's relaxed. And of course, you won't catch him being nervous at this point, since he knows you would have snap-called if you had him beat. He knows that you're considering calling for a chop at best, so he's going to be relaxed regardless of whether he has it.

All he has really done is cut one hand from his range, , which is fairly meaningless in this situation. This would tend to indicate that he's trying to buy the pot, acting like he's so confident that he can show a card, when he's only really ruling out a very unlikely case hand. (It's like saying "I don't have quads.")

His showing specifically the is the big clue, though. It tells you a lot about his range. A truly solid, TAG player isn't going to play a lot of hands for a raise from the SB, particularly against a raise from UTG. He's repping precisely . Consider your experience with this player. Is he really likely to play that hand in this situation? Based on his being a TAG, I'd be a lot more concerned if he had shown . Of course, he did shove, so there's that. A TAG shove on the end is seldom a bluff, but this might just be one such spot.

I say call, expecting the chop.

 

[saleen121212]

So what happened?

 

[T_Chan]

Did not have the J of diamonds.

 

[colter ripton]

I would probably fold. Your calling 10k to try and win 3k. I'd just give it up. I dont like calling for a chop.

 

[saleen121212]

What are the odds he has the exact 9 of diamonds as his last card though? That means he flopped the nut flush and slow played it to the river? I mean that might be possible, but I am calling here and if he has that 1 outer RIP.

 

[T_Chan]

I would probably fold. Your calling 10k to try and win 3k. I'd just give it up. I dont like calling for a chop.

My feeling was that this is why the villain jams. "He won't call just to chop". But then he shows the A of diamonds which entices the call, perhaps showing that he hit the A high flush on the turn and got counterfeighted. I don't usually tank during hands but this one I though for a good solid 4-5 minutes (thankfully we went to break so I wasn't holding up the blinds).

 

[colter ripton]

What are the odds he has the exact 9 of diamonds as his last card though? That means he flopped the nut flush and slow played it to the river? I mean that might be possible, but I am calling here and if he has that 1 outer RIP.

It's not a 1 outer though really. If he flopped the nut flush wouldnt you expect him to slow play it? I would most likely check call a couple times with the nut flush.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

I would probably fold. Your calling 10k to try and win 3k. I'd just give it up. I dont like calling for a chop.

^^^This.

 

[colter ripton]

My feeling was that this is why the villain jams. "He won't call just to chop". But then he shows the A of diamonds which entices the call, perhaps showing that he hit the A high flush on the turn and got counterfeighted. I don't usually tank during hands but this one I though for a good solid 4-5 minutes (thankfully we went to break so I wasn't holding up the blinds).

I agree he probably could jam there with or without it. I just dont like to call all that money off for a chop. I've done it before and they seem to have it more often than not.

On the other hand if I was the villan here I'm most likely jamming with or without it the 9.

 

[DoubleEagle]

Highly inappropriate to show any cards during a tournament, even when heads up. This is a tournament and your actions can have an effect on the other players that are not in the hand. If in a casino that follows TDA rules, he would get a one round penalty.

And BTW, I call.

 

[T_Chan]

Once the river came down, I instantly thought to myself he would either check it or, more likely, shove all in to put me on a hard decision. If he didn't shove, I probably would have just to put the pressure on to put him in the same spot.

 

[justsomedude]

My feeling was that this is why the villain jams. "He won't call just to chop". But then he shows the A of diamonds which entices the call, perhaps showing that he hit the A high flush on the turn and got counterfeighted. I don't usually tank during hands but this one I though for a good solid 4-5 minutes (thankfully we went to break so I wasn't holding up the blinds).

I'm with your thinking here entirely. Maybe AT, AQ, or AK, hell, maybe he even had A3 of diamonds. I would not put him on the A9d... and I would call.





And then when he turns over the A9d I throw my drink in his face and flip the table over.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Ax suited in a six handed game for a single raise out of the SB when you're 100BB deep is a reasonable line for most all but the tightest of players.

Would this player check/call this flop with the nuts, then check/call a turn card that likely kills his action?

IMO he flashed the to show that he got counterfeited by a 1-outer... so he shoves representing the only hand that doesn't chop. His just trying to get some value after playing this hand rather poorly by most standards.

One would think if he actually held the a more reasonable value bet would be more likely. As it stands his shoves me you need to risk ~10k to win back the ~2900 you have in the pot. He almost certainly doesn't have it here - but I'm probably not calling in this spot given that it's just not worth it.

 

[Forty4]

Also if he has Ax diamonds highly unlikely you have some combo with the . Making the shove play easier to make.

 

[Mesnik44]

So what happened?

I know what happened!!!

I'm with your thinking here entirely. Maybe AT, AQ, or AK, hell, maybe he even had A3 of diamonds. I would not put him on the A9d... and I would call.





And then when he turns over the A9d I throw my drink in his face and flip the table over.

Flipping over my Chanman table would have likely ended with you in a hole covered in lime.

 

[T_Chan]

Added poll. Should have done that from the start. I'm curious to see what the percentages are.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Calling thinking I'll get 1/2 always results in me being quartered. Not sure how it would happen here, but pretty sure I would still get quartered.

Fold.

 

[Kain8]

And then when he turns over the A9d I throw my drink in his face and flip the table over.

@T_Chan is one of the very few people who has that luxury since he can just fix / build a new table!

 

[Lemonzest]

I just think in a vacuum this is not how you win tournaments. I would rather get all in preflop with AK and have that equity of being against JJ or QQ and then get the chance to double up.

Calling big gets to maybe chop is not a spot I like. If we fold and he shows a bluff I would be ok with that because I still think folding is the right play here unless you have a very specific read.

 

[TheBigTater]

Most solid players will try and buy the pot here if they can knowing it's probably a chop. Call and take the beat if he's playing A9d.

 

[CraigT78]

I folding and it's probably the wrong decision.