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THIS is a TRK chip (4 Viewers)

ekricket said:
I believe you owe for the time you exhibited his image without permission.
Taking it down does not absolve you of the responsibility, as it is still in many historical archives of the internet.

YOU OWE!! Pay up for this breach or shut up about any others. You can’t have the law both ways.


Also in the United States, the image must be registered with the U.S. Copyright Office in order to sue for damages. Can you produce these copyrights for the comments you made claiming these pictures? If not then you may be liable for copyright infringement by claiming ownership of items that you have not personally copyrighted.
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I mean…
Let’s not assume someone just joined the forum to shake down the owner, falsely claiming copyright after finding out pictures they don’t own but use, are being posted on that forum for information and learning purposes only….I mean. That wouldn’t happen right ?

RIGHT????

I sure would love to give that person the benefit of doubt and not assume that.
 
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Image NOT courtesy of the ChipGuide
 
ChipGuide said:
The ChipGuide owns the edited images. Every image is edited: rotated, cropped, lighting corrected, size adjusted if it is too large, converted to JPG if in another format, distortion removed, and EXIF information is added.
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My two cents:

The name "ChipGuide" would be protectible by trademark, not copyright.

Those submitting images grant ChipGuide the right to use the image for publication, period. (But you really need to have an attorney examine your submission form, because including a ChipGuide policy at the bottom of the form, without a following signature accepting that policy, means absolutely nothing.)

And you are not the owner of any derivative form created from such submissions, without expressed assignment by the owner. Further, enforcement of copyright restrictions on others' use of those images alone -- without any original ChipGuide-created imagery or text -- is not the purview or responsibility of ChipGuide, but of the submitter/owner.

And the use of such images on ChipTalk for "fair use" discussions is perfectly allowable. However, use in the Classified section is pretty clearly not acceptable.

-- Larry (US Patent and Trademark Office, US Copyright Office, retired. Thank goodness...)
 
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pltrgyst said:
My two cents:

The name "ChipGuide" would be protectible by trademark, not copyright.

Those submitting images grant ChipGuide the right to use the image for publication, period. (But you really need to have an attorney examine your submission form, because including a ChipGuide policy at the bottom of the form, without a following signature accepting that policy, means absolutely nothing.)

And you are not the owner of any derivative form created from such submissions, without expressed assignment by the owner. Further, enforcement of copyright restrictions on others' use of those images alone -- without any original ChipGuide-created imagery or text -- is not the purview or responsibility of ChipGuide, but of the submitter/owner.

And the use of such images on ChipTalk for "fair use" discussions is perfectly allowable. However, use in the Classified section is pretty clearly not acceptable.

-- Larry (US Patent and Trademark Office, US Copyright Office, retired. Thank goodness...)
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I am not here to get legal, that is the last thing that I want to happen. All I ask is if you are using someone else's stuff, and they ask you to mention where you got the stuff from when you use it, it would be common courtesy to do so.
 
OMG, you people made my day. I really needed a laugh today, and here it is!

1) @Perthmike, don't resend the same photos to your wife. (Hopefully this was just hypothetical for the sake of this argument, lol)
2) "Baggerydoo"? I nearly pissed myself. That was hilarious. Thank you.
3) I wish all of the photos on ChipGuide that were taken by members of this forum (note I didn't say "submitted") would just disappear from the site, and see what rubbish is left. I suspect a healthy proportion of these prized and protected images originated here.

Baggerydoo......lol
 
pltrgyst said:
My two cents:

The name "ChipGuide" would be protectible by trademark, not copyright.

Those submitting images grant ChipGuide the right to use the image for publication, period. (But you really need to have an attorney examine your submission form, because including a ChipGuide policy at the bottom of the form, without a following signature accepting that policy, means absolutely nothing.)

And you are not the owner of any derivative form created from such submissions, without expressed assignment by the owner. Further, enforcement of copyright restrictions on others' use of those images alone -- without any original ChipGuide-created imagery or text -- is not the purview or responsibility of ChipGuide, but of the submitter/owner.

And the use of such images on ChipTalk for "fair use" discussions is perfectly allowable. However, use in the Classified section is pretty clearly not acceptable.

-- Larry (US Patent and Trademark Office, US Copyright Office, retired. Thank goodness...)
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ChipGuide said:
The images are copyrighted. You are allowed to use them, just mention where you got them from, the ChipGuide. Is that too much to ask?
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ChipGuide said:
I am not here to get legal, that is the last thing that I want to happen. All I ask is if you are using someone else's stuff, and they ask you to mention where you got the stuff from when you use it, it would be common courtesy to do so.
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You're the one that claimed a copyright, homie. Usually people dont bring up copyrights unless its a legal conversation. I'm having a fun thought experiment trying to figure out a reason to bring up copyrights without discussing legality.
 
ChipGuide said:
I am not here to get legal, that is the last thing that I want to happen. All I ask is if you are using someone else's stuff, and they ask you to mention where you got the stuff from when you use it, it would be common courtesy to do so.
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Sorry, it's way too late for avoiding the true legal aspect, you opened that gnarly can of worms yourself.

And hey, you can ask all you want. But since we're not using YOUR stuff, you can go pound sand* with your request.

Common courtesy would be for you to actually exhibit some factual knowledge regarding the bs you are slinging. We don't appreciate it.


*legal term for stick it up your ass
 
ChipGuide said:
I am not here to get legal, that is the last thing that I want to happen. All I ask is if you are using someone else's stuff, and they ask you to mention where you got the stuff from when you use it, it would be common courtesy to do so.
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So when you post “picture courtesy of chipguide” what YOU need to post is “courtesy of (whoever donated image)”

Otherwise you are stealing and misrepresenting what little legal use you have of those images.
If I cite a passage from that someone posted on PCF that was originally in a published book I can’t just say I quoted PCF if I use it later. I have to quote the original source.

Lol by your logic anyone could copy any book, change the titles of the chapters, and now have an original work of art that they could use to their delight.
 
I've held off responding here as to not rush to judgment but also to take time to put my thoughts in order.


@ChipGuide , the phrase I've heard often is "you never get a second chance to make a first impression."

If like most users you had gone over to the introduction section of the forum:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/forums/pcf-introductions-and-check-ins.7/

and posted something like this:


Hello PCF. I'm John Smith and I'm the webmaster over at The Chip Guide.

As I'm pretty sure you're aware, we host an exhaustive collection of user-submitted images of casino chips and memorabilia that have been gathered for two decades now. Each submitter has taken their time to produce their scans and photos and submit them to this collection. A small group of volunteers assist in posting these as well as information and details on the submissions.

This service is provided as an offshoot of the Casino Collectibles Association (The CCA), a Las Vegas based 501(c)(3) non-profit organization devoted to the preservation of gaming history. We ask that users of this service to please credit The Chip Guide when posting and re-posting images from the collection. It shows appreciation for the service, and it helps draw positive attention back to the CCA and the outreach and education of gaming history it strives to preserve.

I'm excited to be here. It'll take some time to get used to things here, but I share in your enthusiasm and hope we're able to exchange information and learn from each other.

Best,

John


...I suspect a few things would have happened. Right away, you would have had quite a few replies welcoming you here and hoping you have a good time. You would have had questions and even some discourse about the guide. It's no secret that many users here are frustrated with the somewhat vague color descriptions associated with some of the listings. Odds are you would have found several folks here willing to volunteer their time to help correct or update many of those listings. In time you would have found this lively and passionate group of folks ten-thousand strong (some have left, some infrequently post, but there are that many registered members) are more often than not willing to reach out with their time, knowledge and skills to help other users here.

Most importantly, I'd be willing to bet good money that this simple gesture of goodwill would have seen just about every member here happily credit the Chip Guide every time they re-posted an image from the collection there.


Instead, for whatever burr in your saddle brought you here, in the course of 30 minutes, you chose to make an account, make one post about the likely valuation of a chip and then minutes later proceed to make a rather cryptic and passive-aggressive post. Eventually you make idle comments that vaguely feel like threats about copyright violation fees. Only just now a full day after your first post:

ChipGuide said:
I am not here to get legal, that is the last thing that I want to happen. All I ask is if you are using someone else's stuff, and they ask you to mention where you got the stuff from when you use it, it would be common courtesy to do so.
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Well, this isn't what happened. Unfortunately, you have managed to alienate an entire group of like-minded individuals. Folks with a passion for casino chips. Maybe more along the line of playable sets than as singles collectors that is the core of the CCA, but very similar likes. As a result I expect you will probabaly find a larger number of users here will blatantly ignore your request, mostly out of spite. I, for one, am going to start crediting the submitter of the image based purely on what I've learned and read in this thread and not the TCG. The somewhat inexplicable gap in similar groups between the CCA-TCB-TCG and PCF has been made much wider thanks to the very large wedge that you just jammed in place in the last 24 hours.


I hope the ill-feelings from this first meeting might pass, but the first impression you have made has not been very positive, and as we know a bad first impression is hard to forget.


Honestly, best wishes,

Gil (AlbinoDragon)
 
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AlbinoDragon said:
I've held off responding here as to not rush to judgment but also to take time to put my thoughts in order.


@ChipGuide , the phrase I've heard often is "you never get a second chance to make a first impression."

If like most users you had gone over to the introduction section of the forum:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/forums/pcf-introductions-and-check-ins.7/

and posted something like this:


Hello PCF. I'm John Smith and I'm the webmaster over at The Chip Guide.

As I'm pretty sure you're aware, we host an exhaustive collection of user-submitted images of casino chips and memorabilia that have been gathered for two decades now. Each submitter has taken their time to produce their scans and photos and submit them to this collection. A small group of volunteers assist in posting these as well as information and details on the submissions.

This service is provided as an offshoot of the Casino Collectibles Association (The CCA), a Las Vegas based 501(c)(3) non-profit organization devoted to the preservation of gaming history. We ask that users of this service to please credit The Chip Guide when posting and re-posting images from the collection. It shows appreciation for the service, and it helps draw positive attention back to the CCA and the outreach and education of gaming history it strives to preserve.

I'm excited to be here. It'll take some time to get used to things here, but I share in your enthusiasm and hope we're able to exchange information and learn from each other.

Best,

John


...I suspect a few things would have happened. Right away, you would have had quite a few replies welcoming you here and hoping you have a good time. You would have had questions and even some discourse about the guide. It's no secret that many users here are frustrated with the somewhat vague color descriptions associated with some of the listings. Odds are you would have found several folks here willing to volunteer their time to help correct or update many of those listings. In time you would have found this lively and passionate group of folks ten-thousand strong (some have left, some infrequently post, but there are that many registered members) are more often than not willing to reach out with their time, knowledge and skills to help other users here.

Most importantly, I'd be willing to bet good money that this simple gesture of goodwill would have seen just about every member here happily credit the Chip Guide every time they re-posted an image from the collection there.


Instead, for whatever burr in your saddle brought you here, in the course of 30 minutes, you chose to make an account, make one post about the likely valuation of a chip and then minutes later proceed to make a rather cryptic and passive-aggressive post. Eventually you make idle comments that vaguely feel like threats about copyright violation fees. Only just now a full day after your first post:



Well, unfortunately, this isn't what happened. Unfortunately, you have managed to alienate an entire group of like-minded individuals. Folks with a passion for casino chips. Maybe more along the line of playable sets than as singles collectors that is the core of the CCA, but very similar likes. As a result I expect you will probabaly find a larger number of users here will blatantly ignore your request, mostly out of spite. I, for one, am going to start crediting the submitter of the image based purely on what I've learned and read in this thread and not the TCG. The somewhat inexplicable gap in similar groups between the CCA-TCB-TCG and PCF has been made much wider thanks to the very large wedge that you just jammed in place in the last 24 hours.


I hope the ill-feelings from this first meeting might pass, but the first impression you have made has not been very positive, and as we know a bad first impression is hard to forget.


Honestly, best wishes,

Gil (AlbinoDragon)
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Imma not sure it would have gone much better. Maybe a smidge. But.... Yeah....
 
AlbinoDragon said:
I've held off responding here as to not rush to judgment but also to take time to put my thoughts in order.


@ChipGuide , the phrase I've heard often is "you never get a second chance to make a first impression."

If like most users you had gone over to the introduction section of the forum:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/forums/pcf-introductions-and-check-ins.7/

and posted something like this:


Hello PCF. I'm John Smith and I'm the webmaster over at The Chip Guide.

As I'm pretty sure you're aware, we host an exhaustive collection of user-submitted images of casino chips and memorabilia that have been gathered for two decades now. Each submitter has taken their time to produce their scans and photos and submit them to this collection. A small group of volunteers assist in posting these as well as information and details on the submissions.

This service is provided as an offshoot of the Casino Collectibles Association (The CCA), a Las Vegas based 501(c)(3) non-profit organization devoted to the preservation of gaming history. We ask that users of this service to please credit The Chip Guide when posting and re-posting images from the collection. It shows appreciation for the service, and it helps draw positive attention back to the CCA and the outreach and education of gaming history it strives to preserve.

I'm excited to be here. It'll take some time to get used to things here, but I share in your enthusiasm and hope we're able to exchange information and learn from each other.

Best,

John


...I suspect a few things would have happened. Right away, you would have had quite a few replies welcoming you here and hoping you have a good time. You would have had questions and even some discourse about the guide. It's no secret that many users here are frustrated with the somewhat vague color descriptions associated with some of the listings. Odds are you would have found several folks here willing to volunteer their time to help correct or update many of those listings. In time you would have found this lively and passionate group of folks ten-thousand strong (some have left, some infrequently post, but there are that many registered members) are more often than not willing to reach out with their time, knowledge and skills to help other users here.

Most importantly, I'd be willing to bet good money that this simple gesture of goodwill would have seen just about every member here happily credit the Chip Guide every time they re-posted an image from the collection there.


Instead, for whatever burr in your saddle brought you here, in the course of 30 minutes, you chose to make an account, make one post about the likely valuation of a chip and then minutes later proceed to make a rather cryptic and passive-aggressive post. Eventually you make idle comments that vaguely feel like threats about copyright violation fees. Only just now a full day after your first post:



Well, this isn't what happened. Unfortunately, you have managed to alienate an entire group of like-minded individuals. Folks with a passion for casino chips. Maybe more along the line of playable sets than as singles collectors that is the core of the CCA, but very similar likes. As a result I expect you will probabaly find a larger number of users here will blatantly ignore your request, mostly out of spite. I, for one, am going to start crediting the submitter of the image based purely on what I've learned and read in this thread and not the TCG. The somewhat inexplicable gap in similar groups between the CCA-TCB-TCG and PCF has been made much wider thanks to the very large wedge that you just jammed in place in the last 24 hours.


I hope the ill-feelings from this first meeting might pass, but the first impression you have made has not been very positive, and as we know a bad first impression is hard to forget.


Honestly, best wishes,

Gil (AlbinoDragon)
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BOOM!!!!!!
 
ChipGuide said:
Watermarks have been discussed. We have over 500,000 images on the ChipGuide and we would need to keep 2 copies of every image, with and without the watermark. Website providers put a limit on the number of files, which we would exceed if we used watermarks and we would need to double our website costs if we watermarked the images. Also, watermarks can be removed and they worsen the quality of the image.
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Might be easier to just get over yourself
 
ChipGuide said:
Thank you. FYI. If you use copyrighted images without permission, eventually you will be caught. There are companies, check out PIXSY. that look for copyright violations and then present the website owners with outrageous bill's ($1,000's) for the use of an image and then will eventually sue you if you don't pay up. I am trying to work out a deal to allow PCF members to use ChipGuide images (for non-commercial use) without having to mention the source. But, until then, if you use a ChipGuide please mention where you got it from. This is not something that I like to do, but I need to protect the work of 1,000's of collectors and ChipGuide administrators who donated their time and money to create the ChipGuide. Thank you.
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with respect, as I appreciate your site, I've donated pics, had you note I was the donator , then you removed me as the donator.
 
liftapint said:
OMG, you people made my day. I really needed a laugh today, and here it is!

1) @Perthmike, don't resend the same photos to your wife. (Hopefully this was just hypothetical for the sake of this argument, lol)
2) "Baggerydoo"? I nearly pissed myself. That was hilarious. Thank you.
3) I wish all of the photos on ChipGuide that were taken by members of this forum (note I didn't say "submitted") would just disappear from the site, and see what rubbish is left. I suspect a healthy proportion of these prized and protected images originated here.

Baggerydoo......lol
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Don't worry I've never sent any dodgy photos to anyone, and if I did it would only be to the wife lol.

And I'd be sure to credit the chipguide.
 
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Am I the only person who is tilted that the "chip" isnt centred. Its all kinds of triggering to my OCDs. Given all their experience cropping images they could have done a better job on that one.
-oh yeah. @ChipGuide. Did I do that correctly? :cool

Side note. I think everyone should starting tagging @ChipGuide when images are used. Notifications will blow up. Incoming case of becareful what you wish for because you might just get it.

Also @ChipGuide if youre after donations or want to start offering people a voluntary supporting membership for the chip guide just ask. Most members here a big fans and would happily help support the site especially if it means their contribution will help update some of its features to bring it into the 21st century.

On a serious note, I couldn't have said it any better than what @AlbinoDragon has already stated.

FWIW, PCF isnt an enemy, if anything its the US fucking A of Allies when it comes to fighting to preserve casino history. Join forces so to speak. Learn from each other and help each other to keep chipping alive!
 
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ChipGuide said:
Message: ​
To submit, you must certify that you own the images or have permission to use them
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I want to be super clear here since this expresses a shocking misunderstanding of copyright: Is it your belief that granting someone permission to use an asset also grants them permission to transfer copyright to a third party?
 

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