Tiger Palace Chips - Are they worth the price? (1 Viewer)

[davin]

To me it’s funny because the person that orchestrated them and sold them always talked down about flippers or folks who sold chips for more then what they paid for them lol and somehow is the hugest flipper that prob generated quarter mill to half a mill probably

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

To me it’s funny because the person that orchestrated

and sold them

What if…..

 

[Lil Tuna]

To me it’s funny because the person that orchestrated them and sold them always talked down about flippers or folks who sold chips for more then what they paid for them lol and somehow is the hugest flipper that prob generated quarter mill to half a mill probably

 

[LowerBama1714]

I've disliked the Tigers from the moment they were introduced.


The designers had access to the inner sanctum with the entire Pauson palate at their disposal yet decided to limit to the flashiest 20% of the colors available. You know, the ones that look like Rainbow Bright got an upset tummy after eating too much ice cream and upchucked all over some clay discs.

Then decided to pick edge spots they knew this group would lose their minds over (bear-claws) and contend they are "no longer available from Paulson" as an incentive (also without corroborating information other than their word, creating a sense of FOMO).

Come up with a rather uninteresting inlay design, but who cares because "bright flashy Pauslon's available to all."

Make a multitude of variants available, Vegas and Cali cash, tournament and non-denom and build pre-packaged sets to sell.

Make a vendor forum and be "up front" about what's going on versus previous NAGB buys and sell these to the community, at $6 per chip.


Profit.





This set and buy as so much hype around it that it's the current hot thing that has everyone's attention. I hope it falls into the background like some of other previous NAGB, and suspect it will in coming months. IMO, it's nothing particularly special other than they are brand new Paulson's. Guess what, wait a few months and @TheChipRoom will have likely bought the chips from a closed casino, likely with new and unused secondaries, and they'll be available for a hell of a lot less money than the Tigers.

I wish they were brighter....

 

[BGinGA]

All chips made for actual casinos need to have the location on the inlay, yet not so with the Tiger chips. Wouldn’t that give a clue as to what market the chips were really for?

Isn’t there a stipulation for riverboat casinos / cruise ships where they don’t have to have a location on the chips?

Chip/inlay display requirements vary per governmental jurisdiction. Some require a location, but not all.

 

[BGinGA]

The truth is there are very few chips "worth it" to anyone outside our little fcked up corner of the poker world.

If people here enjoy them and many are willingly paying the initial pricing, isn't that where "worth" is determined?

As much as it may be bothersome to some folks, ^this^ pretty much sums it up accurately.

Chipping has always required an above-average amount of disposable income and a below-average amount of monetary common sense. Today is no different than the past; it's merely adjusted for changes in inflation and supply/demand.

 

[LowerBama1714]

As much as it may be bothersome to some folks, ^this^ pretty much sums it up accurately.

Chipping has always required an above-average amount of disposable income and a below-average amount of monetary common sense. Today is no different than the past; it's merely adjusted for changes in inflation and supply/demand.

Yes…I have a third degree black belt in financial nincompoopery.

 

[doublebooyah85]

I wonder if other collection forums have the same threads, is “beanie babies” worth it? (Ok that’s a NO) Is “comic books” worth it? Is a “600 HP sports car” worth it? Is a “Weller 20 year single barrel oak aged whiskey” worth it?

 

[detroitdad]

They aren't worth it to me. I don't have that kind of "fuck you" money, so I didn't purchase them. If I did have that kind of loot, then my answer would probably be different.

 

[toothpic]

I wonder if other collection forums have the same threads, is “beanie babies” worth it? (Ok that’s a NO) Is “comic books” worth it? Is a “600 HP sports car” worth it? Is a “Weller 20 year single barrel oak aged whiskey” worth it?

Yes.

 

[aggie]

Flipping: Flippers don’t create value. This was orchestrated, designed, manufactured, cash fronted, and a new product brought to market — the literal opposite of flipping. Disparage the pricing or profit, but even that was below market value for common denoms. In fact, Tigers cratered other NAGB set prices.

Besides, buyers can flip Tigers however they want. Nobody said they couldn’t. The desire was just expressed that they not be. I take that as he just wanted people who actually wanted them to buy. It mostly worked, it seems, as there aren’t a whole hell of a lot of sets for sale out there right now.

Quantities: How many Rolexes are made per year? BMWs? Louis Vuittons? Demanding numbers says more about the customer’s motives than it does the seller’s. Would it be nice to know? Of course. Would it have prevented the core sets from selling out? No chance. It’s a frivolous luxury, not a 401k.

Design:

The designers had access to the inner sanctum with the entire Pauson palate at their disposal yet decided to limit to the flashiest 20% of the colors available.

Designer.

40+ chips using over half the available color palate by my count. Two complete, cohesive sets from .25 to $25k (and every denom in between), with bold colors, incredible spot progression, no dirty stacks, and a crispy, legible inlay with wide appeal. Toss in a 3d14 hot stamp tournament set and some wild bearclaws clearly intended to wow/pop/whatever for the fun of it.

Like them or not, all of that is indisputable.

Most guys on here spend months or even years agonizing over a single custom set that includes 5 or 6 chips max … and nearly every single one is a miss.

We show them pity and shower them with praise anyways because the deed is already done, but whatever, everyone knows a miss when we see it.

Now here we are bickering because this dude didn’t incorporate enough bland colors like Mustard and Colon?? GTFO.

Am I a fan? You bet! Should everyone be? Of course not. Are they worth it to some and not to others? That’s how the world works. But some of these arguments y’all are spouting on about are so disingenuous that it’s maddening.

 

[theshepherd]

Great post, Aggie.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Flipping: Flippers don’t create value. This was orchestrated, designed, manufactured, cash fronted, and a new product brought to market — the literal opposite of flipping. Disparage the pricing or profit, but even that was below market value for common denoms. In fact, Tigers literally cratered other NAGB set prices.

Besides, buyers can flip Tigers however they want. Literally nobody said they couldn’t. The desire was just expressed that they not be. I take that as he just wanted people who actually wanted them to buy. It mostly worked, it seems, as there aren’t a whole hell of a lot of sets for sale out there right now.

Quantities: How many Rolexes are made per year? BMWs? Louis Vuittons? Demanding numbers says more about the customer’s motives than it does the seller’s. Would it be nice to know? Of course. Would it have prevented the core sets from selling out? No chance. It’s a frivolous luxury, not a 401k.

Design:

Designer.

40+ chips using over half the available color palate by my count. Two complete, cohesive sets from .25 to $25k (and every denom in between), with bold colors, incredible spot progression, no dirty stacks, and a crispy, legible inlay with wide appeal. Toss in a 3d14 hot stamp tournament set and some wild bearclaws clearly intended to wow/pop/whatever for the fun of it.

Like them or not, all of that is indisputable.

Most guys on here spend months or even years agonizing over a single custom set that includes 5 or 6 chips max … and nearly every single one is a miss.

We show them pity and shower them with praise anyways because the deed is already done, but whatever, everyone knows a miss when we see it.

Now here we are bickering because this dude didn’t incorporate enough bland colors like Mustard and Colon?? GTFO.

Am I a fan? You bet! Should everyone be? Of course not. Are they worth it to some and not to others? That’s how the world works. But some of these arguments y’all are spouting on about are so disingenuous that it’s maddening.

Give this man another rack of russets

 

[BarrieJ3]

Flipping: Flippers don’t create value. This was orchestrated, designed, manufactured, cash fronted, and a new product brought to market — the literal opposite of flipping. Disparage the pricing or profit, but even that was below market value for common denoms. In fact, Tigers literally cratered other NAGB set prices.

Besides, buyers can flip Tigers however they want. Literally nobody said they couldn’t. The desire was just expressed that they not be. I take that as he just wanted people who actually wanted them to buy. It mostly worked, it seems, as there aren’t a whole hell of a lot of sets for sale out there right now.

Quantities: How many Rolexes are made per year? BMWs? Louis Vuittons? Demanding numbers says more about the customer’s motives than it does the seller’s. Would it be nice to know? Of course. Would it have prevented the core sets from selling out? No chance. It’s a frivolous luxury, not a 401k.

Design:

Designer.

40+ chips using over half the available color palate by my count. Two complete, cohesive sets from .25 to $25k (and every denom in between), with bold colors, incredible spot progression, no dirty stacks, and a crispy, legible inlay with wide appeal. Toss in a 3d14 hot stamp tournament set and some wild bearclaws clearly intended to wow/pop/whatever for the fun of it.

Like them or not, all of that is indisputable.

Most guys on here spend months or even years agonizing over a single custom set that includes 5 or 6 chips max … and nearly every single one is a miss.

We show them pity and shower them with praise anyways because the deed is already done, but whatever, everyone knows a miss when we see it.

Now here we are bickering because this dude didn’t incorporate enough bland colors like Mustard and Colon?? GTFO.

Am I a fan? You bet! Should everyone be? Of course not. Are they worth it to some and not to others? That’s how the world works. But some of these arguments y’all are spouting on about are so disingenuous that it’s maddening.

Get the fuck out of here being all articulate with your application of critical thought.

 

[toothpic]

I've changed my mind. The Tiger chips are totally not worth it. Please list any you have in the classified at below Tiger pricing so I can finish my set.

 

[upNdown]

Besides, buyers can flip Tigers however they want. Literally nobody said they couldn’t.

I’m not sure that’s a fair representation of what was said.
But otherwise your points are good, except for the quantities thing. Comparing quantities of Rolex’s produced to quantities of each denom of chip produced shows that you either don’t understand how the poker chip market works or that you’re being disingenuous. If you really think it’s the same thing, I’ll explain further.

 

[doublebooyah85]

I’m not sure that’s a fair representation of what was said.
But otherwise your points are good, except for the quantities thing. Comparing quantities of Rolex’s produced to quantities of each denom of chip produced shows that you either don’t understand how the poker chip market works or that you’re being disingenuous. If you really think it’s the same thing, I’ll explain further.

 

[aggie]

don’t understand how the poker chip market works

Ding ding, you made my point for me.

If you’re buying them to spin off as singles when you retire, you absolutely need to know. If you’re buying them because you like them and want to play poker with them, you simply don’t.

 

[ovo]

Having started in the earlier days of chip collecting, when the prices were much cheaper, it's hard for me to justify spending so much on chips now. If I had more bank, insta buy

 

[upNdown]

Ding ding, you made my point for me.

If you’re buying them to spin off as singles when you retire, you absolutely need to know. If you’re buying them because you like them and want to play poker with them, you simply don’t.

What if you’re one of us whackos who needs a couple extra racks of $5s in the set?
If you know there aren’t enough extra racks of $5s, you won’t buy the set. If you know there are plenty of extra racks of $5s, you’ll buy the set, then buy the extra $5s. But if the amount of extra $5s is a secret, dangled like a carrot, what do you do? Gamble? Here at pcf, probably.
Same goes for fracs and some tournament denoms.
And by the way, though I agree with you about buying chips to play them, not spin them off for profits, that’s kind of irrelevant. Unless you think that the seller kept the quantities secret purely to discourage flipping. I don’t. I think the seller kept the quantities secret because it gives the seller advantages across the board. The junkies here will buy buy buy, with the hopes that they can buy more.

 

[Mojo1312]

Just for that, I’m changing my answer. Because I’ve seen enough of them.
No they’re not worth it. They’re a FOMO con, targeting people with more money than brains who want to be in with the in crowd.
Also I don’t care for the inlay.

Wait, their is an "in" crowd. Why am I always the last to know?

 

[BGinGA]

Now here we are bickering because this dude didn’t incorporate enough bland colors like Mustard and Colon?? GTFO.

Okay, this literally made me lol.

 

[bernielomax]

What if you’re one of us whackos who needs a couple extra racks of $5s in the set?
If you know there aren’t enough extra racks of $5s, you won’t buy the set. If you know there are plenty of extra racks of $5s, you’ll buy the set, then buy the extra $5s. But if the amount of extra $5s is a secret, dangled like a carrot, what do you do? Gamble? Here at pcf, probably.
Same goes for fracs and some tournament denoms.
And by the way, though I agree with you about buying chips to play them, not spin them off for profits, that’s kind of irrelevant. Unless you think that the seller kept the quantities secret purely to discourage flipping. I don’t. I think the seller kept the quantities secret because it gives the seller advantages across the board. The junkies here will buy buy buy, with the hopes that they can buy more.

Why are some sellers who bring large quantities of chips to the PCF marketplace held to different standards? (As far as reporting the numbers)

 

[jr8719]

I wonder if other collection forums have the same threads, is “beanie babies” worth it? (Ok that’s a NO)

Take that BACK about beanie babies!

 

[ekricket]

The junkies here will buy buy buy, with the hopes that they can buy more.

Probably why flipping isn’t rampant yet. They don’t want to piss off the golden goose and not get any more tiger eggs. Once they know the inventory is gone and no hope of getting more by being nice….

 

[toothpic]

Why are some sellers who bring large quantities of chips to the PCF marketplace held to different standards? (As far as reporting the numbers)

ChipRoom when they do report numbers doesn't do it until after the sales are done. I've always thought it was to help reduce the frenzy of snagging up chips that are known to be rare vs what they wanted/needed. Tiger sales didn't report numbers and people were encouraged to buy/build sets that they needed for play.

 

[upNdown]

Why are some sellers who bring large quantities of chips to the PCF marketplace held to different standards? (As far as reporting the numbers)

Oh they’re not. I mentioned this earlier actually. When @BarrieJ3 questioned the lack of transparency of numbers on this sale initially, I thought “stop your complaining - the chip room doesn’t do it, why should the tiger guys.”
I’m just now saying that that was a dumbass attitude I had. We should immediately recognize the motives of any seller who isn’t forthcoming with all information.
Edit: which is fine, sellers gotta sell. Just keep in mind that they’re sellers, not your friend.

 

[BGinGA]

Why are some sellers who bring large quantities of chips to the PCF marketplace held to different standards? (As far as reporting the numbers)

I don't know that there's any standard, much less different ones....

 

[MeridianFC]

Are Tigers worth the price? For me they were not. And I was very public about saying the secondary set 25 through 25,000 was one of the best looking/working chipsets I’ve ever seen, and me a big fan of dirt and ash colored sets. But the cost was too high, and there was no guarantee of getting the required number of chips for the workable set I had envisioned. Still, I thought the folks running the sale did it about as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

I still continue to be confused by NAGB in general. GPI Does not sell to the home market. Except they obviously do.

I mean in my ideal, Kumbaya world, the people here who really desire the very nice Paulson’s chips will get together and be able to do a buy and get full sets at a reasonable price. Having been involved in group buys going back to the OG ones on CT I know what a complete bummer/car wreck democracy can be, I think somebody’s got to take charge and say here’s what’s on offer but it would be nice for people to say what’s the price, this is how many I want, here’s my money thank you very much.

To continue repeating myself if GPI made the original fantasy spot patterns, the two dozen or so of those available for semi customs I do that in a heartbeat

 

[SteveEH]

Tigers have one of the nicer NAGB inlays IMO.

I pretty much think anything that isn't custom or personally meaningful is garbage. I wouldn't even pay >
$10/chip for a custom CPC level 200000 edge spot.

All y'all's r cray cray!!!

But I'm a boring minimalist that's not a baller.