UTG AQ os? (1 Viewer)

[Steve Birrer]

So playing a STT $25 buy in with 10K starting stacks. Blinds are $100/$200.

Current stacks - hero about 13K
Villain about 17K
Players have all been playing together quite awhile.
Hero has a tight aggressive approach but steps outside that range on occasion.
Villain is a moderately aggressive. Neither tight or loose.

Hero looks down and has and raises to $600
Villain calls.
Folds around.
Pot is $1500

Flop comes

Action on hero?

 

[heisman]

C bet 1/3 pot

 

[Josh Kifer]

Id follow that up at 1k, personally. If he has a set of course, it is what it is. But that's about the near best flop for you.

 

[JMC9389]

C bet 1/3 pot

This exactly. I'd bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot

 

[detroitdad]

I played my worse poker this weekend in years. I'll hold my advise and let better players sound off

 

[Josh Kifer]

I played my worse poker this weekend in years. I'll hold my advise and let better players sound off

Shit. I shouldn't have talked then.

 

[Kidsthesedays]

I'm gonna 25-33% cbet then over bet the turn on any blank

 

[Steve Birrer]

Ok seems like hero was inline with your thoughts.

Hero bet 1K.

Villain raised to 2k.

Action on hero?

 

[Josh Kifer]

Ok seems like hero was inline with your thoughts.

Hero bet 1K.

Villain raised to 2k.

Action on hero?

Call and see what happens. I'd slow down with the idea he might have pocket fours. But I'm not raising or folding....

 

[heisman]

The 1k sizing is bit much, not a lot of hands would call let alone reraise and you’re risking losing value on subsequent streets. But the villain’s min reraise is even odder. I’m calling and checking the turn for pot control regardless what comes out. Would’ve fired all three streets if not the reraise.

 

[Steve Birrer]

Been away today so here's the next piece of the puzzle.

I too found villains raise pretty odd so I just called.

Turn came

So the board is now

Pot is 5500

Action on hero?

 

[JMC9389]

Been away today so here's the next piece of the puzzle.

I too found villains raise pretty odd so I just called.

Turn came

So the board is now

Pot is 5500

Action on hero?

Check/call. Villain flat called preflop but raised post flop. Guessing they have a straight draw. The king on the turn is very curious.

 

[Bradley]

Where is villian? Utg +1?

You say villain calls and folds all around?

He's also early position?

 

[LotsOfChips]

Strawberry Jam! Represent a straight (and hope he doesn't have what you are pretending you have).

But then I'm the guy that usually busts out halfway to the money, so a more prudent approach may be in order....

 

[MrCatPants]

Min raise post flop is begging for a call - would guess you were up against AK, AQ, A4s, or a set but the call preflop potentially limits that - does villain 3-bet? More likely A4 or pocket 4s or weak-ish A like A-J if he would 3-bet with AK or QQ. Would agree with check/call line.

 

[Steve Birrer]

Ok so I did check and he bet 3000. I called so pot is now 11500. And villain was UTG +2. Not sure how that makes any difference since villain has position on Hero regardless of where he sat.

Flop is the . Board is now

So I check and villain bets 5000.

Action on hero?

 

[JMC9389]

Ok so I did check and he bet 3000. I called so pot is now 11500. And villain was UTG +2. Not sure how that makes any difference since villain has position on Hero regardless of where he sat.

Flop is the . Board is now

So I check and villain bets 5000.

Action on hero?

I'm bitching to the host about shenanigans because there are two tens of spades on the board

I'd close my eyes and call. Top two pair is too good of a hand to lay down. Definitely very straight draw heavy, and that 10 is a card that I don't at all like to see. But I don't think villain has it. I'd pay the price of the call to get that information.

 

[heisman]

Ok so I did check and he bet 3000. I called so pot is now 11500. And villain was UTG +2. Not sure how that makes any difference since villain has position on Hero regardless of where he sat.

Flop is the . Board is now

So I check and villain bets 5000.

Action on hero?

With additional players behind V, 3-bet is appropriate for hands like AQs and up. So a call in his situation could've widened his range to low pockets and marginal hands. This is a jam/fold situation. I'm check-folding, but it'd be hard.

 

[Bradley]

And villain was UTG +2. Not sure how that makes any difference since villain has position on Hero regardless of where he sat.


Action on hero?

It matters because if you raise and he calls from utg+2... I believe changes his range a bit. Big pocket would probably be a raise.


4s seem like a good min raise (or standard raise as yours was) call sometimes.

 

[Steve Birrer]

Well I folded. And he showed.

So he rivered the straight which is just what I thought.

 

[heisman]

Well I folded. And he showed.

So he rivered the straight which is just what I thought.

Didn't see the initial river action at first, but would've said that he was taking you to value town. But overall I'd say you played that well, you are beating him 90% of the time in future flops. Great lay down and you'll catch him out of position shooting blanks again next time I'm sure of it.

 

[BGinGA]

Blinds are $100/$200.

Current stacks - hero about 13K
Villain about 17K

Hero looks down and has and raises to $600
Villain calls.
Folds around.
Pot is $1500

Flop comes

Action on hero?

C-bet 1000, jam any raise. Never checking, never folding.

Ok seems like hero was inline with your thoughts.

Hero bet 1K.

Villain raised to 2k.

Action on hero?

Jam.

Been away today so here's the next piece of the puzzle.

I too found villains raise pretty odd so I just called.

Turn came

So the board is now

Pot is 5500

Action on hero?

Jam.

Ok so I did check and he bet 3000. I called so pot is now 11500. And villain was UTG +2. Not sure how that makes any difference since villain has position on Hero regardless of where he sat.

Flop River is the . Board is now

So I check and villain bets 5000.

Action on hero?

Fold. You let him get there.

Well I folded. And he showed.

So he rivered the straight which is just what I thought.

And exactly why you need to keep the pressure on by making him pay big to draw and call with subpar hands.

 

[heisman]

C-bet 1000, jam any raise. Never checking, never folding.

Jam.

Jam.

Fold. You let him get there.

And exactly why you need to keep the pressure on by making him pay big to draw and call with subpar hands.

Not sure if I agree here. If you're jamming every re-raise with top 2, you're always going to be losing out on 2 additional streets of value and you'll eventually get caught out with the occasional flopped sets. I don't play tourney often, if at all, but even with cash games I'm avoiding jams unless it makes economic/playable sense.

It's too bad V got there in this scenario, but I don't think there's much H could do in hindsight. Sure if we knew V was on a marginal hand and drawing to the nuts, we are jamming, but with the info we had at the time, I think H played it just fine.

 

[JMC9389]

Good lay down. Had villain on straight draw but figured they'd jam once the 10 hit on the river. Villain's bet sizing was the only thing that had me thinking they had a missed straight draw.

Guess I would've gotten taken.

 

[LotsOfChips]

Yes, good for you for laying down to the obvious straight, but I can’t help thinking that more aggression on the flop and/ or turn would have won you the pot. I’m with @BGinGA on this one. You didn’t make him pay enough to complete his straight.

 

[Eriks]

I think you played if fine. Is this a full table?

Pre: I would go 2,5x but if 3x has been standard, that’s fine too.

Flop: weird raise. His range should be AJ-A10/Axs/A4/44/a few combos of gutshots like KJ/KT/JT/maybe KQdd for pair w backdoor fd. Hard to say without knowing how many players are at the table.

I see no reason to 3-bet here. We’re crushing his range and he can’t have many outs against us. A 3-bet makes our range very strong; would we ever 3-bet here with anything less than AK? He’ll (should) get away from everything we beat except A4.

Turn: K improves our range a lot more than his. Gutshots made a pair, JT (seems unlikely) made a straight, KQdd no longer possible. Unless we think he would raise flop with QJdd/QTdd I don’t see what diamond draws he has. He still has very few outs if behind.

I would check/call.

River is gross. Check/fold is probably good. I guess he could turn Ax, A4 or KT into a bluff but he should realize that we easily can have AJ. Then again, if he gets to river this way with Ax then maybe he doesn’t.

 

[Eriks]

Yes, good for you for laying down to the obvious straight, but I can’t help thinking that more aggression on the flop and/ or turn would have won you the pot. I’m with @BGinGA on this one. You didn’t make him pay enough to complete his straight.

I’ll let him hang himself with a max of 4 outs all day. Inserting villains specific hand and specific runout of cards and adjusting play in retrospect accordingly is not the best way of looking at this imo

 

[Steve Birrer]

This is what makes poker so interesting.

Two general ways to play the hand. Be more aggressive at the flop and turn and try and take it down. The downside of course is not maximizing potential value.

The other way is pretty much what I did and could have gained the most value but you give villain the chance to draw. Which is just what he did and ended up getting screwed.

But as pointed out I have just more intel on him to use for future games.

 

[heisman]

This is what makes poker so interesting.

Two general ways to play the hand. Be more aggressive at the flop and turn and try and take it down. The downside of course is letting villain draw.

The other way is pretty much what I did and could have gained the most value but ended up getting screwed.

But as pointed out I have just more intel on him to use for future games.

Great way to think about it. If you've got an early read on your opp, go for the aggression. Obviously in hindsight, it would've been great to take it all down early, and the way the board ran out, it was way too gross to continue. But going for value is 99% of the game, nothing you can do about it. So GJ on the lay down and like you said, you'll have an edge in the future. Thanks for the breakdown, it was very entertaining!