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Windwalker’s Chipping Journey in Pr0n0grAph1C Detail (19 Viewers)
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Jeff in Iowa
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Yes, the "standard weight" chips are described as being made out of "Paranoid" material, which I think you pointed out some time ago was a proprietary term used just for USPCC chips.
More evidence, however, that the "mercury" heavy weight chips were made by TRK are their order cards, which by the early 1950s list detailed clay/dye formula tweaks, that they are experimenting with, which you would not see if TRK was a mere distributor. They also list lots of lead. Below is an example of that, which I posted elsewhere.
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Jeff, I’m back in town on Monday, will scan and post that order form for you.
CrazyEddie
Full House
btw, while I (selfishly) applaud your decision not to collect large crowns, I'd (selfishly) love to see pictures of any that you do have.
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I have exactly zero.
lapincretin
Two Pair
From what I understood > TRK subcontracted to USPC (like many other brands) until the invention of their " Crown molds ", so not possible to find the crowns mold before 1940 and 100% TRK production. Before they had to offer other free or exclusive molds but manufactured by USPC.
So TRK begins the production when BURT CO acquires USPC, It seems to be that, but I'm not sure (a catalog would be needed).
I would like to know what TRK was selling before 1940 and the introduction of their new chips, certainly USPC chips like " Diamond Rectangle " etc..
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Does anyone know anything about these chips? Manufacturer, timeframe, mold (L-mold?) card room?
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Thank you!
Seeking Alpha Social Club
4 of a Kind
The Pic Hobsons are nearly a chip shorter per barrel even new, or in similar condition. I love the PHs, but the difference in height always drove me nuts in my mixed set.
There are a bunch of Kings Crown with the same issue, especially the stock ones.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Hmm.... branching out into older molds? It seems like your focus in all this time has been Paulsons and TRK small crowns, I think (I might be wrong, of course...). Is there going to be room in your edited collection for some Burts?
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Jeff in Iowa
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The "Large Crown" chips date all the way back to 1929. Below is the USPC Co. order record for the first T.R. King order. The last recorded USPC Co. "Large Crown" record is 9/28/1938 for inlaid chips. All USPC records after early 1939 are lost, so we don't know exactly when T. R. King or whoever took over production from them.
If Burt did make chips on this mold I would guess it would have been during the late 1940s, after UPSC Co. stops production, and perhaps before T. R. King had their own manufacturing and production capacity fully running. If Burt did make them, I would guess that they would have been the "Standard Weight" Large Crowns, as their manufacturing and chip formula at that stage was I believe very similar to the USPC Co.
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Can we pause for a second and note the fact that it took @GianThaMan less than 3 minutes to provide a reference to that? My hat is off to you sir, that's outstanding.
lapincretin
Two Pair
Ok So at first it would be USPC who manufactures the first Large Crown.
The start of manufacturing by TRK is at the same time as the end of USPC, I guess there was an event and TRK reclaims the rights to the mold and starts manufacturing the chips in California, and maybe they take the machine for the mold at USPC, so if that's it Burt Co never made a Cronw Mold.
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While I am thrilled to now own a decent sized set of the Savannah Suns, the $1 chip is underwhelming, and boring to me.
I had acquired a couple of racks of CBC $10s a while ago, and my current thought is to shape mill them to become a $1 for this set. Below is a quick fantasy mockup. Thoughts / better ideas?
I had acquired a couple of racks of CBC $10s a while ago, and my current thought is to shape mill them to become a $1 for this set. Below is a quick fantasy mockup. Thoughts / better ideas?
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PocketAces
Full House
Disclaimer: I have a bit of an agenda here, could use a rack of 3D14 Cali hotstamp $10
Pros: CBC is a more interesting chip and offers the right edge spot progression. It works perfectly here.
Cons: 1) the original might be a boring $1 but it’s the real thing. I’d keep things as original as possible (I find murdered/relabeled chips do look a bit fake when you realize that the label isn’t perfectly aligned with the shape of the inlay) and 2) there aren’t many Cali hotstamp $5 out there (afaik), having a couple of rack of $10 can be of huge help to make your sets playable. I would use the CBC $10 in your mixed hotstamp set!
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All good points! Still thinking aloud.Disclaimer: I have a bit of an agenda here, could use a rack of 3D14 Cali hotstamp $10
Pros: CBC is a more interesting chip and offers the right edge spot progression. It works perfectly here.
Cons: 1) the original might be a boring $1 but it’s the real thing. I’d keep things as original as possible (I find murdered/relabeled chips do look a bit fake when you realize that the label isn’t perfectly aligned with the shape of the inlay) and 2) there aren’t many Cali hotstamp $5 out there (afaik), having a couple of rack of $10 can be of huge help to make your sets playable. I would use the CBC $10 in your mixed hotstamp set!
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
I wouldn't go with the same shape as the $5 if I were you. Also, most $1s are round, even in shaped inlay sets, so I'd consider keeping it round if I were you, even if that seems boring. It'll also make for a better fit with the inlay as the shaped gear labels can be difficult to align properly and fill out the space. I do like your replacement chip though. Nothing wrong with improving a set IMO.
jpietrella
4 of a Kind
Is there anyone on PCF that does shape milling as a service?
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I was going to say I'd want 2 different colored spots on that blue $1. I couldn't even see the blue spots lol.
I like the spot choice, 2 colors, just need a different shape for the inlay. Like @RainmanTrail said it could be round. Don't repeat shapes.
Gear does shape milling. His thread explains the types of shapes he can do. There are limits imposed by the equipment and process.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/faq-pricing-2019.35730/
Page 2 he goes more into specifics...
I like the spot choice, 2 colors, just need a different shape for the inlay. Like @RainmanTrail said it could be round. Don't repeat shapes.
Gear does shape milling. His thread explains the types of shapes he can do. There are limits imposed by the equipment and process.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/faq-pricing-2019.35730/
Page 2 he goes more into specifics...
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
Gear does I believe
I see the vision, definitely worth thinking aloud about.
To my eye, having seen the original, the suggested replacement chip seems too bright & colorful. It looks like it doesn’t fit and makes me twitchy. I don’t know what I would have said had I never seen the original, but it seems off to me.
If you go shaped inlay, to @jpietrella’s question, is there a PCF murder that could not only do a shaped inlay replacement, but one that would look crisp enough to pass as an original?
[Edit: Mentions of Gear came in as I wrote this. I don’t recall having seen his work, my comments are not presenting criticism of his work.]
Even if you go circular inlay to match the original, would an obvious re-do in an otherwise complete authentic casino set would cause more of a tilt than a plain $1?
To my eye, having seen the original, the suggested replacement chip seems too bright & colorful. It looks like it doesn’t fit and makes me twitchy. I don’t know what I would have said had I never seen the original, but it seems off to me.
If you go shaped inlay, to @jpietrella’s question, is there a PCF murder that could not only do a shaped inlay replacement, but one that would look crisp enough to pass as an original?
[Edit: Mentions of Gear came in as I wrote this. I don’t recall having seen his work, my comments are not presenting criticism of his work.]
Even if you go circular inlay to match the original, would an obvious re-do in an otherwise complete authentic casino set would cause more of a tilt than a plain $1?
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Didn’t even see the second spot. I had to do a double-take. Interesting spot choice.
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That same shape was photoshop laziness. The idea was definitely to use a different shape. That thread from @Gear is very helpful, I’ll try and mock-up with more true colors and a different shape, as well as round.
My actual $1 choice would be a King’s Casino $1 which matches the edge spots of all the other denoms, and is the same light blue as the original $1, but I can’t bring myself to murder that chip, it’s too beautiful.
Yes, but only possible with hotstamped chips.
jpietrella
4 of a Kind
You could murder Riffle Steins but I don't know if you'll find any in same condition as your other denoms
Those Savannah Suns are a complete work of art. Would you commission somebody to fix the mona lisa's smile?
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