AKo vs a hyper aggressive table (1 Viewer)

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Playing 1-2 live, nine handed. 7-2 prop bet is on for $10 per person to someone wining a pot with 72. We are about a third of the way through the session. This is been one of the most aggressive games I have ever sit in, there is a lot of blood on the floor and we are just getting started.

Cast of characters:

We start with Hero in MP3. Hero has $300 on a $600 buy in. Hero has been a one note symphony tonight when serious money goes into the pot - executing the same play over and over with more bad results than good. Hero has Crazy Jr to his left and has been limp raising his preflop aggression (and when Crazy Jr didn't raise preflop, someone else did) over and over. Hero's showdown range for this has been JJ+ and AK. Hero's KK hands, three out of four of them, ended up losing to ace-rag. The table must have seen this play seven times already. Hero hasn't always taken this line but no big conflicts emerged from those hands. Hero's biggest loss was JJ < A9o on a 9 7 3 flop vs Crazy Jr when the turn was an ace.

Crazy Jr sits in the CO with $1,300 - way ahead. Crazy Jr has been part of my smaller games for a decade but just lately has the money to play in this game. This is a wild man, not only crazy aggressive but bet sizes better than most of the LAGs at the table. How wild is he? Wild enough to drive our old friend, Crazy home to baby sit his kids after less than an hour at the table. Short story - Crazy Jr is on a religious mission to Africa, stops in an underground casino in South Africa run by the Russia mob (he claims), buys in to a poker tournament with his travel money and wins first place - sending on-going commentary to us here in Texas. Let's just say he induces action and doesn't mind getting his money in bad.

The button is a sad sack LAG who has been run over by Crazy JR. He is playing $200 and is a wounded duck just hoping to get lucky.

SB is our tricky trappy loose-passive on a remarkable heater. He is up to $900 on a $60 buy in and is playing very carefully now mostly trying to get home with a big win.

Big blinds is a second sad sack LAG who also has gotten run over. He has $150 and has switch to a semi-tight, passive fit-fold mode.

UTG is a hyper loose, passive calling station. He has $600, up from a $200 buy in. He would be most people's favorite villain. Calls with worse and bets with better, you are rarely at a loss for what to do.

UTG+1 is a regular who just hit the end of a six month long heater. Big loser last session, way down tonight. He learned bad habits on his hot run that he hasn't corrected. Hyper loose, aggressive with top hands but rarely otherwise. Has become passive tricky from fit/fold aggressive. He has $300 but is a big loser already.

MP1 is our old Crafty LAG. He has $1,200 and is on fire. Lucky and aggressive tonight. He gets even more fearless when playing with other people's money.

MP2 is a second tricky trappy loose/passive. But his night is going poorly. He is down $600 having just $100 left. He seems ready to spew his last $100 and then stomp off home or start an epic come back.

I'll note the interaction between all the LAGs and the 7-2 prop bet is combustible. There are many hands that start out 1-2-25-25-25-25 preflop. Which Hero loved until the flops crushed his balls . . . . on a lucky night any of us could have made $2,000 on the session.

The hand:

Three limps to Hero. Hero picks up :ah: :kd: So, do we want Hero to raise, limp/raise or limp/call? {or fold if you are so inclined} I'd guess there is a 70% chance someone would raise if Hero limps, most often Crazy Jr. If Hero raises, expect a big multi-way pot. Don't expect a c-bet is going to win many pots.

DrStrange
 
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I'm torn between limp/raising and just raising. By just limping we could potentially let in some of the players like MP2 into the hand, which would bode well for us. I think I remember a passage from Ace on the River where Barry Greenstein mentions sitting to the right of a player who would raise every limped pot Barry entered and then Barry would 3-bet him pretty light with good results.

Bottom line: I think limp/raising would be the play here.
 
I vote for a bet of $12-15. I don't like limping here, as when there's 8 people in the hand post flop, someone's bound to have hit 2pr. Plus you're getting some info with a lead out. Not sure of the table's normal raise here, but AK doesn't play that well in multi-way pots. Bet whatever it takes to narrow the field some.
 
There isn't a normal raise tonight - I have three villains who almost never raise but if they did $7 to $10 would be normal, two who raise $7-$12 tonight and three who might raise from $6 to $50.

For what it is worth - the chance of someone three betting Hero if he raises is low.

DrStrange
 
There isn't a normal raise tonight - I have three villains who almost never raise but if they did $7 to $10 would be normal, two who raise $7-$12 tonight and three who might raise from $6 to $50.

For what it is worth - the chance of someone three betting Hero if he raises is low.

DrStrange

That makes the limp/raise scenario even more appropriate to me. If no one is likely to 3-bet us, then we should be the one to do it and maintain the betting lead going into the flop.
 
With a 70% chance someone after Hero will raise, and a 0% chance Hero will get reraised if he is the first-in raiser, I also approve of the limp-raise move here.
 
Not liking the limp-raise plan. If one of the LAGs makes it $20 or $25, what exactly are we going to do? Make it $75 with $225 behind? Shove? None of these options are really appealing at this stack size.

I raise - exact amount might be anywhere from $12 to $30 depending on gameflow and my perception of player tendencies (more than I can glean from a few sentences in OP.) I don't necessarily mind playing a large multi-way pot with AK in relatively good position (AK is a GREAT multi-way hand) but if there is an amount that isn't more than 10% of my stack that I can make it to reliably get it 2-3 handed, I'd go with that.
 
Not liking the limp-raise plan. If one of the LAGs makes it $20 or $25, what exactly are we going to do? Make it $75 with $225 behind? Shove? None of these options are really appealing at this stack size.

It depends on what the other players do. It seems like there's a lot of players who will call these raises to see a flop and try to hit something. So if someone behinds us raises after we limp and others call I think we can shove pretty safely and pick up quite a bit of dead money. And if we get called heads-up by someone to play for stacks, we're likely at worst coin-flipping with dead money in the pot, which is +EV, we are unlikely to be dominated and may dominate our opponent in this spot.
 
...this game sounds fun

Agree with limp/reraise assuming 70% chance of a raise behind. But if it's much less than 70% it gets pretty hard to limp with AK, since you're the 4th limper and you assume at least a few more will come along. 6 or 7-way limped with AK feels like you're losing a ton of value, value that needs to be made up for on the limp/reraise play.
 
*** On to the flop ***

Hero decides to raise rather than limp/raise (though I think in hindsight the trapping play is better). Hero raises to $15 (which turns out to be too small).

Crazy Jr in the CO, calling station in the BB, Crafty lag in MP1 and trappy/passive in MP2 call. Five way action, $78 in the pot.

Flop is < :7s: :ac: :7d: >

Three checks to Hero. Bet or check? If betting how much? What is Hero's preliminary plan for the hand?

Best guess is Crazy Jr would bet with total air less than half the time but he will be more often with something as weak as an under-pair.

DrStrange
 
Check, a 7 is certainly in our opponents ranges, as well as weaker Aces. If someone has a pocket pair they have two outs to get there on the turn or river. We can play this off like hero raised with an underpair and fears the Ace.

Essentially we're trying to:

1. Obtain value from weaker hands
2. Avoid overpaying for the times someone has a 7

There's no flush or straight draws to protect our hand from, so I lean towards check-call here. Maybe it gets checked to the turn (doubtful) and someone makes a pair and thinks it's good and we extract some value there as well.
 
Bet $30 - I don't really want to give 4 players a freebie even on this board, and worse aces are calling all day long. $15 was enough to trim at least SOME of the 7s out of these guys' ranges, and anybody with a 7 is probably flatting to trap and we can then check back the turn and make sure damage is minimal, since we probably won't get paid 3 streets by ATo or whatever anyway. If we do get raised we can re-evaluate then.
 
Check, and if Crazy Jr. bets and everyone else folds then jam away. If CJ bets and other people flat, maybe just call and reevaluate the turn. This isn't the best spot, but maybe CJ's actions will draw out any sevens that may be out there.
 
Bet out $40-50. I love my hand fwiw. We are ahead of any other Ace (except A7 obv). And the odds of a seven in in play is reduced because of the two 7's on the board.

I want value and I think any other ace will call at least the flop bet. I'm not letting a five handed free card. If someone is holding a 7, NH and pray for a river ace.
 
I am in the check camp for this hand. 7-2 is in play and someone may just be trying to pick it up.(Maybe / Maybe Not) but, I think we have to think like that for a moment. See if Crazy Jr or someone else puts in a bet and if not outrages call and see the turn and reevaluate then.
 
Hero decides to give Crazy Jr a chance to bet. Hero isn't going to like it if callers join the party . . .

Hero checks, Crazy Jr bets $65 into a $78 pot. The others fold bringing us to Hero. Should Hero call, fold or raise? If raising, how much - hero owes $65 and would have $220 left once he catches up to the bet.

DrStrange
 
love these stratergery situations Dr.S. I'm gonna guess a spoiler that CrazyJr. is playing the 72, but if it was me, and since I have no clue, I would call to bait CJ into another check/bet on the turn, and to see his reaction. Possible he might think you have the 72 if he's on an ace? I'd probably check/shove the turn, or if he checks back the turn, shove the river.

Let's see how wrong I am :)
 
Jam I say. would he really bet that much with a 7? Maybe, but I still say he is more likely to have an ace and he will stack off with any good one.
 
Villain, the rest of the table and Hero do have a discussion about 7-2 later in the hand. I think the discussion influenced the hand's results a little bit.

DrStrange
 
Jam I say. would he really bet that much with a 7? Maybe, but I still say he is more likely to have an ace and he will stack off with any good one.

I agree with this. If Crazy Jr. has 27, he probably would've 3-bet Hero pre-flop. I think this bet is large with a 7 in his hand and, from a metagame perspective, he could think Hero is trying to rep it.
 
Just noting this is a way ahead / way behind situation. If Villain has a seven, hero is drawing to two outs (or runner-runner kings). If Villain has a weaker ace he is drawing to three outs for the win or a seven for a chop.

DrStrange
 

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