Best Way to Identify Positive/Negative Interactions (1 Viewer)

[Colquhoun]

I also think people should be able to sell chips for whatever they like.
But when it’s abundantly clear that a member who was lucky enough to get a great deal, purchased those chips with the sole intent of profiting from other members that weren’t so lucky….it deserves to be called out.
While it is never possible to entirely identify someone’s intent, some of the recent classifieds have been pretty blatant.

 

[DMack]

Members can sell their property for whatever price they want. You may not like that, but you don't get to tell someone what to sell their stuff for. There are better ways to educate buyers that doesn't include reprimanding sellers with profanity and vulgar images.





It is a shame it was nuked. That thread has been around for a few years we never had any issues with until the last 24-48 when the peaceful protests in that thread spilled over to a full out riot in member sale threads, member's creating fake ads, and the outright disregard for the Community Guidelines. The way some members were acting toward other members was outrageous. I seriously would like to see how members would act face to face IRL vs being drama creating keyboard warriors. Then, when you try to have a respectful private conversation with certain members, they start acting like children and doing things out of spite.




Not for me. I don't make a dime off PCF. And I don't feel the need to have go into all the ways I give the money back to the community either.




There is a no thread crapping rule. That is why the thread crapping is deleted. This is not some undercover secret mission we are on.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Members can sell their property for whatever price they want. You may not like that, but you don't get to tell someone what to sell their stuff for. There are better ways to educate buyers that doesn't include reprimanding sellers with profanity and vulgar images.





It is a shame it was nuked. That thread has been around for a few years we never had any issues with until the last 24-48 when the peaceful protests in that thread spilled over to a full out riot in member sale threads, member's creating fake ads, and the outright disregard for the Community Guidelines. The way some members were acting toward other members was outrageous. I seriously would like to see how members would act face to face IRL vs being drama creating keyboard warriors. Then, when you try to have a respectful private conversation with certain members, they start acting like children and doing things out of spite.




Not for me. I don't make a dime off PCF. And I don't feel the need to have go into all the ways I give the money back to the community either.




There is a no thread crapping rule. That is why the thread crapping is deleted. This is not some undercover secret mission we are on.

I don’t understand. If it’s a long standing thread, and chippers are behaving so horrendously, why not moderate and warn them? When they respond childishly, ban them when their behavior in threads continues?

We have other long standing threads where when mods didn’t like the direction, took out entire pages and conversations. Then said, continue at your own risk. WW amazing prOn thread comes to mind.

I’m sure those posting asking questions appreciated your response. I just don’t see why chippers would engage in good faith in threads if everything will simply be wiped hours or days or years later due to specific posts/topics.

Any chance the team is working on cleaning it up still and will reinstall it?

 

[TomC727]

I don’t understand. If it’s a long standing thread, and chippers are behaving so horrendously, why not moderate and warn them? When they respond childishly, ban them when their behavior in threads continues?

We have other long standing threads where when mods didn’t like the direction, took out entire pages and conversations. Then said, continue at your own risk. WW amazing prOn thread comes to mind.

I’m sure those posting asking questions appreciated your response. I just don’t see why chippers would engage in good faith in threads if everything will simply be wiped hours or days or years later due to specific posts/topics.

Any chance the team is working on cleaning it up still and will reinstall it?

I would also like the definition of thread-crapping.

Linking the previous classified ad with the original price to warn potential buyers - is that thread crapping?

Pointing out lies of the seller (flipper) - is that thread crapping?

Seems like any fact posted on a classified ad to warn potential buys can get someone butt-hurt and listed as thread-crapping.

Just because someone's feeling are hurt or they don't like something someone said, doesn't mean it isn't factually incorrect.

Warning potential buyers is what this community is about. Not name calling, not emotional screaming.

 

[TomC727]

Here is a question.

If a known flipper posts a for sale thread and is passing known replicas as originals, anyone commenting that the seller was a fraud - would this be thread crapping?

Seems like a slippery slope to call something thread crapping just because it points out facts.

 

[FestiveKnight]

How about a Monthly/Weekly Thread Crapping Thread?

Only type of post allowed is a link to a sales thread and a matter of fact description of why you have a problem with the sale. Those who agreed use the heart reaction. Those who disagree use the angry react. If you’re looking at a classifieds ad, you can go check the thread to see if anyone “reported” it.

Gives people a place to point out this type of behavior in an organized way and takes it out of the specific sale threads

 

[RocAFella1]

Here is a question.

If a known flipper posts a for sale thread and is passing known replicas as originals, anyone commenting that the seller was a fraud - would this be thread crapping?

Seems like a slippery slope to call something thread crapping just because it points out facts.

Caveat emptor.

 

[liftapint]

How about a Monthly/Weekly Thread Crapping Thread?

Only type of post allowed is a link to a sales thread and a matter of fact description of why you have a problem with the sale. Those who agreed use the heart reaction. Those who disagree use the angry react. If you’re looking at a classifieds ad, you can go check the thread to see if anyone “reported” it.

Gives people a place to point out this type of behavior in an organized way and takes it out of the specific sale threads

I guess I don’t understand the difference between something like this, and being able to directly comment in the sale thread itself…except that the new members most at risk of being taken advantage of would probably be less likely to be helped by a separate thread.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Here is a question.

If a known flipper posts a for sale thread and is passing known replicas as originals, anyone commenting that the seller was a fraud - would this be thread crapping?

Seems like a slippery slope to call something thread crapping just because it points out facts.

I think this would fall under scam and such.

I also think we have to give Mods and Admins some credit. They’ve done this for some time and aren’t just going to let everything fall apart, or stick to letter of the law to let a scam though.

Even this thread and these comments, easily deleted by them saying it falls under talking about moderation and we don’t discuss moderation on this site.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Bottom line. I as a chipper that’s been around for a bit, would not have made many of the transactions I’ve made if the knowledge provided to me after was provided upfront.

How about a Monthly/Weekly Thread Crapping Thread?

Only type of post allowed is a link to a sales thread and a matter of fact description of why you have a problem with the sale. Those who agreed use the heart reaction. Those who disagree use the angry react. If you’re looking at a classifieds ad, you can go check the thread to see if anyone “reported” it.

Gives people a place to point out this type of behavior in an organized way and takes it out of the specific sale threads

An index like this would be invaluable. I don’t know if it’s a pipe dream or something reasonable, but ummmm….everyone here is worried about new chippers. Lol, I’m talking about the millions of $s here that changes hands.

I wonder why we don’t see big giveaways anymore…I know why my giveaway is sitting in the closet. Because as much as “I don’t care what you do with my giveaway” once you have it, I’m lying if I say I don’t care when it will hit the classifieds in a week.

 

[JMC9389]

Bottom line. I as a chipper that’s been around for a bit, would not have made many of the transactions I’ve made if the knowledge provided to me after was provided upfront.


An index like this would be invaluable. I don’t know if it’s a pipe dream or something reasonable, but ummmm….everyone here is worried about new chippers. Lol, I’m talking about the millions of $s here that changes hands.

I wonder why we don’t see big giveaways anymore…I know why my giveaway is sitting in the closet. Because as much as “I don’t care what you do with my giveaway” once you have it, I’m lying if I say I don’t care when it will hit the classifieds in a week.

This happened to me and I felt like such a chump afterwards.

I would have considered giving away nicer stuff for my 10K if I didn't also think this.

 

[ChipFinderSK]

Members can sell their property for whatever price they want. You may not like that, but you don't get to tell someone what to sell their stuff for. There are better ways to educate buyers that doesn't include reprimanding sellers with profanity and vulgar images.





It is a shame it was nuked. That thread has been around for a few years we never had any issues with until the last 24-48 when the peaceful protests in that thread spilled over to a full out riot in member sale threads, member's creating fake ads, and the outright disregard for the Community Guidelines. The way some members were acting toward other members was outrageous. I seriously would like to see how members would act face to face IRL vs being drama creating keyboard warriors. Then, when you try to have a respectful private conversation with certain members, they start acting like children and doing things out of spite.




Not for me. I don't make a dime off PCF. And I don't feel the need to have go into all the ways I give the money back to the community either.




There is a no thread crapping rule. That is why the thread crapping is deleted. This is not some undercover secret mission we are on.

Your site, your rules. I was just expressing my disappointment that a 30+ page thread that contained a lot of civil discussion on chip prices was deleted, instead of just the portions that violated the TOC.

I don’t think any of my comments in that thread violated the TOC, but if so, I would have gladly accepted responsibility for them. Never did I tell anyone what they need to sell their stuff for, nor did I use profanity or vulgar images to express my opinion.

My only comment in the specific sales thread was a warning to other members not to say anything that could get them banned.

I haven’t had any issues with you or any other mods while I’ve been a member, and I’ve even made a couple of purchases directly from you. All that to say that I’m not a known troublemaker on this forum.

But the purpose of this thread is to try to figure out a better way to, as you said, “educate buyers,” so I’m just confused as to what the proper avenue is for that discussion. I suspect many other members are as well.

 

[FestiveKnight]

I guess I don’t understand the difference between something like this, and being able to directly comment in the sale thread itself…except that the new members most at risk of being taken advantage of would probably be less likely to be helped by a separate thread.

It’s partially just a way to work around the existing rules. I think there also is a big difference between one post in a contain thread compared to everyone piling into a sales thread

 

[TomC727]

Caveat emptor.

eBay - yes. This forum with the experience of its members, I'd hope the seller would be labeled a fraud.

 

[KHarp1]

I guess this is a good a place as any to ask, but, how do you block another member from PM's? Along these same lines I've had a member that wanted a couple of racks of a set of chips i purchased. I offered at the exact price I paid, however, they weren't chip room prices and he started accusing me of being a flipper, started name calling, won't leave me alone. I clicked ignore, but, how do you block them?

 

[Lil Tuna]

This happened to me and I felt like such a chump afterwards.

I would have considered giving away nicer stuff for my 10K if I didn't also think this.

This is exactly why 99% of the time you’ll never see the ultra rare sets show up for sale in the classifieds here.
Personally, I would rather sell ANYTHING I’ve worked to put together to someone I know for a friends price, than to someone who will turn around and try to squeeze every nickel out of it by any means necessary.

Some members here have worked on sets for years to make them playable. It’s a concept the money grubbers don’t get and will never understand.
The truth of the matter about the other thread getting deleted is this, one of those biggest grubs got called out and went Wee Wee Wee all the way home.

 

[Eriks]

I guess this is a good a place as any to ask, but, how do you block another member from PM's? Along these same lines I've had a member that wanted a couple of racks of a set of chips i purchased. I offered at the exact price I paid, however, they weren't chip room prices and he started accusing me of being a flipper, started name calling, won't leave me alone. I clicked ignore, but, how do you block them?

Add them here:

 

[SiouxperStack]

This is exactly why 99% of the time you’ll never see the ultra rare sets show up for sale in the classifieds here.
Personally, I would rather sell ANYTHING I’ve worked to put together to someone I know for a friends price, than to someone who will turn around and try to squeeze every nickel out of it by any means necessary.

Some members here have worked on sets for years to make them playable. It’s a concept the money grubbers don’t get and will never understand.
The truth of the matter about the other thread getting deleted is this, one of those biggest grubs got called out and went Wee Wee Wee all the way home.
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Who?

 

[Lil Tuna]

Who?

I got a personal message from Sam (Ace) Rothstein this morning about my conduct yesterday. For this reason I’m going to respect Sam’s message and be on somewhat better behavior, unfortunately I can’t say here.

 

[Hornet]

This is exactly why 99% of the time you’ll never see the ultra rare sets show up for sale in the classifieds here.
Personally, I would rather sell ANYTHING I’ve worked to put together to someone I know for a friends price, than to someone who will turn around and try to squeeze every nickel out of it by any means necessary.

Some members here have worked on sets for years to make them playable. It’s a concept the money grubbers don’t get and will never understand.
The truth of the matter about the other thread getting deleted is this, one of those biggest grubs got called out and went Wee Wee Wee all the way home.
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Interesting take. I would also add that there are members out there that take years to put together sets, say that they will NEVER sell them, and then (lo and behold) when they need (or want) the money all of a sudden their set is up for sale, usually at a very high price. The amount of hypocrisy on this site is actually pretty amazing.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I seriously would like to see how members would act face to face IRL vs being drama creating keyboard warriors. Then, when you try to have a respectful private conversation with certain members, they start acting like children and doing things out of spite.

All due respect, this goes both ways. If its some type of in person marketplace I doubt they have the confidence to buy up racks that others want, go around offering to buy others at a far lower price than theyre planning to sell at, then lie about why theyre selling at a much higher price days later to that same community. I dont think they would have that type of confidence, maybe Im wrong.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Interesting take. I would also add that there are members out there that take years to put together sets, say that they will NEVER sell them, and then (lo and behold) when they need (or want) the money all of a sudden their set is up for sale, usually at a very high price. The amount of hypocrisy on this site is actually pretty amazing.

Not sure where the “hypocrisy” comment is being directed but what I’ll say to it is this, I’ve got no problem with someone who spent years putting a set together asking for ANY price that they want.
IMO, the premium a buyer would be paying for in such an example as you mention is the value they put on their own lack of patience, determination, will or whatever one would like to call it. Putting together some of the rarer sets takes much of that which I mention and IMO would command a premium price because of it.

I remember once getting invited to join an NAGB because of some of the values I had, specifically not being one to go out trying to gauge other folks with similar interests as myself.
It’s a pact I made then and still hold true to till this day.

 

[Hornet]

Not sure where the “hypocrisy” comment is being directed but what I’ll say to it is this, I’ve got no problem with someone who spent years putting a set together asking for ANY price that they want.
IMO, the premium a buyer would be paying for in such an example as you mention is the value they put on their own lack of patience, determination, will or whatever one would like to call it. Putting together some of the rarer sets takes much of that which I mention and IMO would command a premium price because of it.

I remember once getting invited to join an NAGB because of some of the values I had, specifically not being one to go out trying to gauge other folks with similar interests as myself.
It’s a pact I made then and still hold true to till this day.

The hypocrisy comment wasn’t directed at anyone in particular and certainly not at you.

I don’t have the time (maybe the patience also) to spend hours and hours over years putting a set together. Particularly given my limited experience trying to do that, and when some others find out what I’m looking for, they snatch up the chips I want and then try to gouge me. Screw that.

But I have noticed that a few people have been helped by this community in putting “forever” sets like that together, often getting hard to find chips at “friend prices.” Things don’t always last “forever” when large dollars are offered … just saying.

 

[ekricket]

Things don’t always last “forever” when large dollars are offered

Lol
The WW Acquirement Spell, or also known as The WW Curse.

Be careful using it, the side effects are very unpleasant and ripple very very far.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Whelp got to the 2nd page before it turned into the same as every other thread before it.

I have no clue how the majority of PCF feels. Those willing to speak seem to want to help provide change or help out or whatever.

Rules don’t seem to help, we can talk about “keyboard warriors” but it’s happening more and more frequently - see Chipguide thread or others this year alone. Not sure why modding and banning doesn’t exist for long term chippers who ignore Admin threats, I.e. “I'm going to ask one last time to please keep your posts civil and constructive.”

I don’t reach out or solicit any feedback at all, yet have had two new chippers just this week alone reach out asking how to deal with unwanted aggressiveness in their PMs.

Either change will occur on this forum, or the shit shows will grow to be much worse.

Happy Easter y’all, see you at The Continental!

 

[SiouxperStack]

It’s crazy to think a thread that long died over one person’s feelings, considering the amount of insults that were thrown overall in the thread. 1 big laughing face emoji sums up how I feel about it, oh well I guess we move forward.
I can say this- I’m strongly against flipping and I won’t participate in a sale from the Chiproom with intent to flip ever again. Thanks to those that tirelessly argued in that thread and apologies for my contribution in making it tiresome.

 

[bergs]

I think allowing this blatant of flipping without allowing other members to speak up will have the complete opposite effect on the classified, where sellers will go underground to sell stuff in private, and flippers will try to move their wares other places.

Historically, it’s resulted in emboldening the flippers.

There was really one on the old blue wall. Look around now. You can throw a stick in a random direction and hit one.

 

[bergs]

This right here goes against the very reason this forum exists, to teach and mentor newer buyers on the hobby and advise them when a deal is bad. If you can't warn newer chip collectors on bad deals, this community ceases to exist.

Nah, the community still exists if you mean the website. It just turns into a classified-fest-free-for-all.

Look at PCF new thread page from 5 years ago and look now. Actually, I wish there was a way to do this. You’d see what I mean. Less content, mo’ sales.

 

[bergs]

It is a shame it was nuked. That thread has been around for a few years we never had any issues with until the last 24-48 when the peaceful protests in that thread spilled over to a full out riot in member sale threads, member's creating fake ads, and the outright disregard for the Community Guidelines. The way some members were acting toward other members was outrageous. I seriously would like to see how members would act face to face IRL vs being drama creating keyboard warriors.

Appreciate the openness here regarding moderation, and I knew when I posted what I wrote it would probably get modded and I accept that.

That said, I would have zero problem telling a flipper to fuck straight off in real life F2F. No issue whatsoever. Not naming names, but they’re bottom feeding scumbags trying to literally inject themselves in between a hobbyist seller and hobbyist buyer to turn a buck. They add zero value, they just add cost.

It will forever baffle me why some members take a laissez-faire attitude towards repeated flippers. It doesn’t nothing but chase members out of the hobby, new and old alike.

 

[bergs]

I kinda like the idea of a “transaction feedback thread” where you can post positive and negative feedback. Not sure you want to buy from someone? Search that thread for their name. You’re not crapping in their transaction thread, which I think was the intent of Tommy’s no threadcrapping rule.

Mods - if this wouldn’t be acceptable then feel free to weigh in now and kill this idea before it gets any momentum.