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[Eloe2000]

Did this guy serious have no negative feedback? How is that possible?

Honest answer: people are afraid to give negative feedback for anything short of getting straight ripped off because they don’t want to receive negative feedback in return because it is so uncommon and potentially damaging.

 

[Senzrock]

I cannot believe anyone dealt with this clown after Dec 24, 2020. You had your red flags for months. Chipaholics are just that: addicts.

These responses are incredibly unhelpful at a time like this. Realize a large group of members is out a significant amount of $$$ potentially and try to be a little more thoughtful moving forward. Also, keep in mind that many of us (including myself), were not aware of certain peoples histories (aside from rumors or maybe a thread we saw in passing). People assume everyone on PCF reads everything thread and that is not the case.

 

[Eloe2000]

Starting next year though I bet you'll see a lot more F&F only unless those sellers want to be forced into paying taxes on anything above $200 total in sales.

Oh boy, I forgot about this. Is it expected that this will not apply to F&F?

I would expect people will try to avoid his at almost all costs.

 

[megarises]

Now that could be the direction, because EU laws might help instead of hinder. I'll tell ya anything based out of the US is gonna shrug, but that totally could be the move.

Not to beat a dead horse but expecting anything from US law enforcement is a pretty big stretch IMO. Although the dollar amount is a decently High, it’s a lot lower when you break it down per victim and then add in the factor of having multiple victims in multiple jurisdictions you would need to find one agency willing to lead the entire investigation. I happen to be an investigator for what it’s worth.

This is just terrible, I feel for everybody wrapped up in this mess and hope you guys can be made whole.

 

[Grandmasturkey]

I am out one rack of 25 primaries and 5s. My shipment says in transit. Sorry for people who have much bigger loses than mine. Happy to contribute the above tracking. Redacted photo for security from my poker bff @Chawks45

 

[Eloe2000]

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I am out one rack of 25 primaries and 5s. My shipment says in transit. Sorry for people who have much bigger loses than mine. Happy to contribute the above tracking.

Hey, you may want to black out your name and address and repost the image.

 

[Thomacetti]

Based on the tracking# I received...it looks like these where legit posted and even USPS tracking mentions a package on the way.
I'll contact Postnl tomorrow to check how legit these tracking# are but I would presume they are ok.

And if other people want to run with the ball...fine but I do have the real option to drive up to his place or contact him direct.
NO doxing style...but we are talking quite some $$'s and I think a slow & open approach will have most chance on success imho.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

Oh boy, I forgot about this. Is it expected that this will not apply to F&F?

I would expect people will try to avoid his at almost all costs.

From my understanding (I'd suggest everyone do their own tax research though) its basically anything that comes with insurance so PPGS, eBay, payments processed through facebook marketplace etc and would not include Zelle, PPFF, Venmo etc

 

[FordPickup92]

Yes. When my account was hacked he was the buyer

Dude. This changes things.

 

[justincarothers]

Dude. This changes things.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sold.72394/

 

[Easylife]

Had anyone checked to see what he had purchased recently. If it matches what is owed out or is at least close there is still hope, if it's well under then it would probably confirm suspicions

 

[JP1984]

I feel bad for not posting negative feedback now. I had a similar situation where he created a label (after 3 weeks of I'll do it tomorrow), then he finally posted them another 4 days after creating said label. The PostNL site is legit, I think someone was worried it might not be.



Note his description...

My gut feel at the time was that he was just an extremely poor communicator and really didn't understand why people would be nervous/angry/frustrated.

I hope you guys can get this sorted out, it looks like a real mess.

JP

 

[FordPickup92]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sold.72394/

I remember the listing. Interesting.

 

[horseshoez]

Guy, can we all just hit the reset button for a moment on the emotions and try to avoid coming to conclusions or certain assumptions regarding behind the scenes stuff. It’s only going to muddy the waters. I’m trying my best to be the middle man and help facilitate getting everybody their goods. My sincere suggestion is to give it a few days. We’re going to get tracking info as well as start to see movement on stuff that’s already been labeled to be shipped. I realize it’s not small money but it’ll unravel in a smoother manner if we could just open up the coat closets and put the pitch forks back for the meantime.

 

[JP1984]

Had anyone checked to see what he had purchased recently. If it matches what is owed out or is at least close there is still hope, if it's well under then it would probably confirm suspicions

He took 2 barrels of Terrible's fracs off me around 3 weeks ago.

 

[Chawks45]

Hey, you may want to black out your name and address and repost the image.

My poker BFF is on the road, but I took care of it. Blacked out the address in the image and texted the photo to @Grandmasturkey for reposting.

Thanks for also catching it, @Eloe2000.

 

[Pinkdan]

Guy, can we all just hit the reset button for a moment on the emotions and try to avoid coming to conclusions or certain assumptions regarding behind the scenes stuff. It’s only going to muddy the waters. I’m trying my best to be the middle man and help facilitate getting everybody their goods. My sincere suggestion is to give it a few days. We’re going to get tracking info as well as start to see movement on stuff that’s already been labeled to be shipped. I realize it’s not small money but it’ll unravel in a smoother manner if we could just open up the coat closets and put the pitch forks back for the meantime.

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I agree. Let’s give it a few day for him to make it right. Hopefully this will all be wrapped up easily

 

[Josh Kifer]

Guy, can we all just hit the reset button for a moment on the emotions and try to avoid coming to conclusions or certain assumptions regarding behind the scenes stuff. It’s only going to muddy the waters. I’m trying my best to be the middle man and help facilitate getting everybody their goods. My sincere suggestion is to give it a few days. We’re going to get tracking info as well as start to see movement on stuff that’s already been labeled to be shipped. I realize it’s not small money but it’ll unravel in a smoother manner if we could just open up the coat closets and put the pitch forks back for the meantime.

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Wtf is this voice of reason bullcrap?

 

[ekricket]

Not to beat a dead horse but expecting anything from US law enforcement is a pretty big stretch IMO. Although the dollar amount is a decently High, it’s a lot lower when you break it down per victim and then add in the factor of having multiple victims in multiple jurisdictions you would need to find one agency willing to lead the entire investigation. I happen to be an investigator for what it’s worth.

This is just terrible, I feel for everybody wrapped up in this mess and hope you guys can be made whole.

https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Member-countries/Europe/NETHERLANDS

These guys might help

 

[ekricket]

Guy, can we all just hit the reset button for a moment on the emotions and try to avoid coming to conclusions or certain assumptions regarding behind the scenes stuff. It’s only going to muddy the waters. I’m trying my best to be the middle man and help facilitate getting everybody their goods. My sincere suggestion is to give it a few days. We’re going to get tracking info as well as start to see movement on stuff that’s already been labeled to be shipped. I realize it’s not small money but it’ll unravel in a smoother manner if we could just open up the coat closets and put the pitch forks back for the meantime.

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Who sold him the Vineyards and have they shipped yet? Or does he need a few days to make sure they are sent.....

Sells more than $10,000 in chips then gets himself banned, that’s just weird....

 

[horseshoez]

Wtf is this voice of reason bullcrap?

I told my left shoulder to take a hike for a while. Better do what right shoulder says before left comes back from his break.

 

[orsonberger]

I dodged a bullet, he asked me for information on some old jetons from Spanish casino that I bought, but since it was an unsolicited PM and I thought it was a Flipper for the amount of messages I had in such a short time never answered.

 

[Josh Kifer]

I told my left shoulder to take a hike for a while. Better do what right shoulder says before left comes back from his break.

Crap! The boss is coming.

*Typing*

 

[shorticus]

When I saw this guy posting chips for sale, I was interested and went to check and he had 1 negative feedback remark. On this forum, that’s enough to make me never purchase from said person because I know how passive individuals can be regarding feedback. If someone actually posted something negative, it had to be really bad. Not to mention, there’s this whole thread dedicated to him which is more than enough to scare me off.

 

[jpietrella]

When I saw this guy posting chips for sale, I was interested and went to check and he had 1 negative feedback remark. On this forum, that’s enough to make me never purchase from said person because I know how passive individuals can be regarding feedback. If someone actually posted something negative, it had to be really bad. Not to mention, there’s this whole thread dedicated to him which is more than enough to scare me off.

Also how can you even trust someone who travels by umbrella? Answer: you CANNOT.

 

[Taghkanic]

Paid for, some unsent. Some sent, no movement in shipping, some over 30 days. Multiple shipped from addresses. It's well over $10k at this point (rough estimate)

While packages obviously do sometimes get stuck for a while in transit, both overseas and within the same country, this should not happen with a high percentage of packages from one seller.

I’m trying to imagine how that would happen. Is he sending spoofed links to a tracking site? Deliberately marking the packages in some way that leads to them to be held?

……

Story: Years ago as a gag, a friend sent me a package (containing a joke present) which he marked: HANDLE WITH CARE. MONEY & STOCK CERTIFICATES ENCLOSED. The 10012 post office called me and insisted I come pick it up in person, and show two forms of I.D.

Not saying this shipper went that far; but it’s possible this person knows that if he fills out the bill with some red flag, it will get stuck at customs and the recipient will never find out it is empty or whatever. Or not receive it until it is way too late to dispute charges.

 

[Cwaters425]

a few of us have waited over a month with not a single update on tracking, how much longer are you wanting us to wait?

 

[horseshoez]

a few of us have waited over a month with not a single update on tracking, how much longer are you wanting us to wait?

Not much longer Chris. Next few days things will show progress. I’m working on it.

 

[DMack]

I fucking said it back in December. I still can't believe how many solid members defended this guy. For the last couple of months I was always wondering how he had slipped right back into the fold here and people just accepted it. His initial deal with Eriks was a massive red flag, Poppin clearly didn't see what he did wrong, and only made it whole because it was public. I have sympathy for you guys who were screwed, however, everyone was warned through this thread and instead made it into one big joke.

Reading through past history and talking to members there are a couple of times scammer/poor business dealings have gone unpunished and there should be a zero tolerance policy towards that behavior.

This. I have always been very vocal about issues such as this when it’s happened in the past, and then I get beaten down by the do-gooders that never have skin in the game. I was totally unaware of all the past issues with Poppin, and used a very reputable member’s remarks about him as a reason for transacting with Poppin. Had I known about the previous issues, I would have never done business.

In this day and age, everyone is so worried about posting negative interactions because the group of people that come out with scathing guilt trips how we should all be patient, and as one person stated in a thread, we should give the seller “six months” before anyone got upset. The naivety of some people is mind blowing. I feel terrible for everyone involved in this, as it looks like numerous people have been scammed out of well over five digits worth of money.

 

[Taghkanic]

When I receive payment for chips, I rarely if ever take more than 24 hours to ship them out, or 48 if the payment occurs on a Saturday afternoon. I let buyers know immediately if there is any (rare) holdup, and always send tracking info from the parking lot of the post office, so I don’t forget.

The one time I had a foreign shipment disappear, I sent the buyer another batch of the same chips, with the understanding that he’d send one set back if the missing one arrived. (It never did.) They weren’t cheap chips, but I felt that was the right thing to do.

So I can’t see any excuse for this happening to a high percentage of one seller’s shipments. There shouldn’t have to be anything worked out or any patience needed from buyers. Either this seller is corrupt, or incompetent, or both.

RE: Negative feedback: I have never sent it, though there were a few times I should have (e.g. due to extremely sloppy packaging which led to damaged chips). The reason is the same others have cited, and just generally not wanting to sow ill will.

Maybe a different system is in order, where feedback is more anonymous. Someone who feels wronged by a bad review could appeal it to a mod, with neither party knowing. It also might be useful to have a sliding scale (Excellent/ Good/ Average/ Below Average/ Unacceptable) so people feel more comfortable giving less than perfect reviews.