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BonScot said:
I had to google what it meant (thank you urban dictionary).

Much more polite than anything I could come up with :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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Have you heard the one where a Scotsman and and an Indian walk into a bar?

The Scotsman proclaims loudly, for all to hear, “Drinks for everyone, on me.”

The next day, in the newspaper, the headline reads, “Indian ventriloquist beaten to death.”

:ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Final version. Apparently I need to take the bins out or something...

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Hope you appreciate the effort that went into this @Poppin92 :LOL: :laugh:
 
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Poppin92 said:
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it’s all good , this is just you’re frustration because you still have that set and can’t find a buyer . I intended to make payment even when u first gave me poor feedback . You act like the buyer and if I where the seller , you have the chips with you that’s a fact . If I did want to scam or not is not a FACT . It’s your thought , and I politely asked if I can still buy that set . You said ok fine , we where communicating 2 days ago about me waiting on paycheck to make the PayPal you said ok fine . You just ruined that as well , nicely done . Have fun making me loook bad , it also says something about you .
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I dunno why it’s bothering me but can you stop putting an additional space before the end of your sentences?!

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Someone post the new link for the OP’s Matsui Radisson Aruba tourney set (340 chips).

I figure it should be back up for sale by now with minimal markup! Venmo OK?!
 
BonScot said:
Final version. Apparently I need to take the bins out or something...

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Hope you appreciate the effort that went into this @Poppin92 :LOL: :laugh:
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This is genius (no surprise there), but would be twice as awesome with BonScott-rendered versions of dick and mary.

horseshoez said:
I dunno why it’s bothering me but can you stop putting an additional space before the end of your sentences?!

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They aren't periods , they are just markers placed between written thoughts . Like these , see ?
 
I wonder how some people tie their own shoelaces in the morning let alone make it through life.
 
BGinGA said:
This is genius (no surprise there), but would be twice as awesome with BonScott-rendered versions of dick and mary.



They aren't periods , they are just markers placed between written thoughts . Like these , see ?
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My grammar and punctuation brain can’t handle this lol
 
As reluctant as I am to prolong the thread... There's an interesting and useful discussion to be had here that @BGinGA and @upNdown started. I know I've been frustrated a few times when I discovered the only way to purchase chips for sale in the classifieds is to be reading the classifieds the moment the ad is posted. But @upNdown is right, as a seller it's frustrating (or so I imagine, I've never sold anything here) to run a lottery or an auction if you just want to get rid of your chips. And as a buyer, is it really any less frustrating to lose a sale because someone else got a lucky draw or had a bigger budget?

I'm not proposing anything, but I think it's a discussion worth having. I think if I were selling something that I knew would attract a lot of interest, I'd ask buyers to post their interest (binding interest) and then within a few hours or maybe a day I'd pick a name at random; from my perspective, running a lottery is no more difficult than making a post. But that's just me, I guess.

I seem to recall that @Windwalker ran some of his very first sales that way, but soon afterwards switched to the usual "first dibs" system. Would be curious to hear your thoughts here, Krish, assuming I recall correctly.
 
CrazyEddie said:
As reluctant as I am to prolong the thread... There's an interesting and useful discussion to be had here that @BGinGA and @upNdown started. I know I've been frustrated a few times when I discovered the only way to purchase chips for sale in the classifieds is to be reading the classifieds the moment the ad is posted. But @upNdown is right, as a seller it's frustrating (or so I imagine, I've never sold anything here) to run a lottery or an auction if you just want to get rid of your chips. And as a buyer, is it really any less frustrating to lose a sale because someone else got a lucky draw or had a bigger budget?

I'm not proposing anything, but I think it's a discussion worth having. I think if I were selling something that I knew would attract a lot of interest, I'd ask buyers to post their interest (binding interest) and then within a few hours or maybe a day I'd pick a name at random; from my perspective, running a lottery is no more difficult than making a post. But that's just me, I guess.

I seem to recall that @Windwalker ran some of his very first sales that way, but soon afterwards switched to the usual "first dibs" system. Would be curious to hear your thoughts here, Krish, assuming I recall correctly.
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I run bad in all things resembling a lottery so for selfish reasons I’d like to keep the first come first served system. It would be helpful if we had generally accepted terminology though. I suppose one could always stipulate terms in one’s sale thread i.e. ”dibs means you’ll take em”, or whatever. I usually post ”I’ll take x”when buying something. Hard to misinterpret that.
 
The dibs system looks like being the default system, and must be honoured.
If, for any reason, the seller does not like the "dibs" (first-come, first-served) system, he can and must state that this is NOT a dibs sale, and he 'll sell to whomever he likes.
Even so, the buyer's interest, IMHO, should be shown in public, and not just through PM, for the sake of clarity and transparency.
Otherwise, one can also sell just through PM-ing one's friends.
 
CrazyEddie said:
There's an interesting and useful discussion to be had here that @BGinGA and @upNdown started.

I'm not proposing anything, but I think it's a discussion worth having.
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The drawbacks of both dibs sales and auctions have been discussed extensively on this site. I've long been a vocal proponent of the dibs-lottery sale method as being by far the fairest way to accommodate the needs of both buyers and sellers.

CrazyEddie said:
as a buyer, is it really any less frustrating to lose a sale because someone else got a lucky draw or had a bigger budget?
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It is absolutely less frustrating. Losing merely to fast-draw/lucky-timing or to a bigger wallet are both more frustrating -- and ultimately, less fair to the chipping community at-large -- than is a dibs-lottery, where every single potential buyer has an equal chance to buy at the seller's posted price.

Adding in a ROFR clause (right of first refusal upon resale) insures that flippers who merely want a chance to profit from the sale (with no interest in the chips themselves beyond resale value) are minimized, and addng an AHC (ass-hat clause) further protects the seller from being forced to deal with undesirables.

Either (or both) of these are specifically unrelated to the dibs-lottery sale, as they can be added as a condition to any sale of any type. Chip karma matters, and these are merely tools that help insure that it does.

CrazyEddie said:
from my perspective, running a lottery is no more difficult than making a post.
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Seller gets exactly what he wants, and the buyer is randomly chosen from the pool of interested buyers. As you noted, the extra effort required by the seller is trivially minimal -- literally sixty seconds or less.
 
Coyote said:
The dibs system looks like being the default system, and must be honoured.
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So...if the seller forgets to say "CONUS only" in their ad and I post dibs and PM them, they must honour it? Good luck with that. My experience is that sellers always reserve the right to sell to whomever they wish as they see fit, dibs or no dibs.
 
CdnBeerLover said:
So...if the seller forgets to say "CONUS only" in their ad and I post dibs and PM them, they must honour it? Good luck with that. My experience is that sellers always reserve the right to sell to whomever they wish as they see fit, dibs or no dibs.
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It's absolutely their mistake if they don't state whatever limitations, geographical or other.
 
Coyote said:
It's absolutely their mistake if they don't state whatever limitations, geographical or other.
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I think you'll discover that the other "default" position is that sales are not international unless explicitly stated. That's always my expectation. I've been ignored by enough sellers after offering to purchase an item at full asking price that I just assume that.

Quite frankly, if it's not stated in the Classifieds Guidelines as a rule for the forum, there's no requirement for a seller to honour it.
 
CrazyEddie said:
I'm not proposing anything, but I think it's a discussion worth having. I think if I were selling something that I knew would attract a lot of interest, I'd ask buyers to post their interest (binding interest) and then within a few hours or maybe a day I'd pick a name at random; from my perspective, running a lottery is no more difficult than making a post. But that's just me, I guess.
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I've done several of these. People seem to really appreciate being given an equal opportunity to purchase. For the most part these have gone extremely well. Only exception was the time I did a massive group sale this way (Santa Ysabel) where coordination of the randomly selected buyers in order was a pain in the ass. Some buyers backed out because I didn't have the chips they wanted by the time I got to them (totally understandable), but others picked very early backed out for no apparent reason and there were some trying to jump the line by coordinating with an early buyer. And waiting for people to respond, even when they were obviously posting on the forum, was annoying and dragged the process out. Still, I got a lot of thanks from people for giving everyone an equal chance. I'd be inclined to do it again, though, but with some kind of process in place to get more immediate commitments from buyers.
 
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Coyote said:
The dibs system looks like being the default system, and must be honoured.
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Yeah, but I think an important thing that came out of hdgeno's comment

hdgeno said:
Posting dibs, IMO, means exactly nothing if it isn’t followed up with a PM right away.
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If people misunderstand this about dibs, than posters can hold goods forever and then screw sellers by changing their mind.

Coyote said:
Even so, the buyer's interest, IMHO, should be shown in public, and not just through PM, for the sake of clarity and transparency.
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I do agree with this, but also the "forum" doesn't own the hobby either, deals can go down in private all the time and that should remain between buyer and seller. And the more the "community" wants to judge transactions, the more appealing it looks to sellers to keep deals out of public.
 
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CdnBeerLover said:
I think you'll discover that the other "default" position is that sales are not international unless explicitly stated. That's always my expectation. I've been ignored by enough sellers after offering to purchase an item at full asking price that I just assume that.

Quite frankly, if it's not stated in the Classifieds Guidelines as a rule for the forum, there's no requirement for a seller to honour it.
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I sympathise, and I 've discovered a lot more:)
 
JustinInMN said:
Yeah, but I think an important thing that came out of hdgeno's comment



If people misunderstand this about dibs, than posters can hold goods for even and then screw sellers by changing their mind.



I do agree with this, but also the "forum" doesn't own the hobby either, deals can go down in private all the time and that should remain between buyer and seller. And the more the "community" wants to judge transactions, the more appealing it looks to sellers to keep deals out of public.
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Sure, it's already happening a lot and it's the seller's and buyers' right to get a deal in private.
I talked just about public deals.
 
BGinGA said:
The drawbacks of both dibs sales and auctions have been discussed extensively on this site. I've long been a vocal proponent of the dibs-lottery sale method as being by far the fairest way to accommodate the needs of both buyers and sellers.


It is absolutely less frustrating. Losing merely to fast-draw/lucky-timing or to a bigger wallet are both more frustrating -- and ultimately, less fair to the chipping community at-large -- than is a dibs-lottery, where every single potential buyer has an equal chance to buy at the seller's posted price.

Adding in a ROFR clause (right of first refusal upon resale) insures that flippers who merely want a chance to profit from the sale (with no interest in the chips themselves beyond resale value) are minimized, and addng an AHC (ass-hat clause) further protects the seller from being forced to deal with undesirables.

Either (or both) of these are specifically unrelated to the dibs-lottery sale, as they can be added as a condition to any sale of any type. Chip karma matters, and these are merely tools that help insure that it does.


Seller gets exactly what he wants, and the buyer is randomly chosen from the pool of interested buyers. As you noted, the extra effort required by the seller is trivially minimal -- literally sixty seconds or less.
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All sounds fine and dandy Dave and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. However, lately bigger wallet has trumped pretty much everything. One could technically post a sale with dibs lottery system but what do you think is the outcome when that person receives a PM offering them 3-4x for everything they have, including what’s in the sale? Good chance he ignores everything in the listing and goes running towards the cash. It’s part of any hobby or community devoted to collecting but what I do like about PCF that differentiates it from others, most of us try to keep the market sane and spread the wealth. Get these things in the hands of more people to enjoy, share, or some refer to it as “fondle” lol That hasn’t been the case as of late and is a big contributor to people’s frustration. They used to be able to grab a rare to semi-rare chip rack for let’s say, $500. They’d be lucky to touch any moving forward and if they are, get ready to pay $1,000 and up for the same chips.

I’m still on board with the belief that majority of PCF tries to keep these things from happening but it doesn’t always work out as intended.
 
JustinInMN said:
I do agree with this, but also the "forum" doesn't own the hobby either, deals can go down in private all the time and that should remain between buyer and seller. And the more the "community" wants to judge transactions, the more appealing it looks to sellers to keep deals out of public.
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^^^ This, 100%. PCF doesn’t own the chip collecting hobby. May be the most active online platform for doing so, but doesn’t own it. Nobody needs to do what deals happen privately. I think it may be just another way of some people expressing their discontent with off forum or private deals that result in the drying up for certain chips and prices being driven up. They just don’t say it out in the open. People have close friends on the forum and they’re free to transact with them as they please without being forced to publicly sell their stuff.
 
Poppin92 said:
Yes and then I changed my mind again . Is that not allowed ? Read my last offer I gave you and if you agree with that then I’ll pick some of the set up . But not all , don’t need all the $500s
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In general. No... Once you make a deal and talk about payment, there is no going back.
 

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