Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (10 Viewers)

BarrieJ3 said:
Okay so - which nagbs have you played with so far?

Ahhh so just a matter of cost yeah?
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These are both fair points. I’ve played with exactly none of them, so in theory that could potentially change my mind. I’m stubborn enough to stay put on my opinion based on several factors though.

Cost being one of those. If I sold every chip I own I wouldn’t be able to acquire a playable set of Tigers. But even if I had the money (speculation), I don’t think it would change it because of…

BGinGA said:
For me, entering the hobby was about getting chips for my home games like those used in casinos.
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This hits the nail on the head for me. One of the reasons the NAGB chips don’t do anything for me is that they’re brand new chips that don’t represent anything that’s important to me. I’m used to casino used, somewhat worn chips. VG-NM at absolute best.

If I owned brand new completely mint chips, they’ll never get worn to the point where it’s what I’m used to or currently prefer. I have CPC customs that are essentially still new and they’re 8 years old.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
But…..these are the most fun conversations!

Okay so - which nagbs have you played with so far? They’re for sure overblown and a large topic, but personally I think in a vacuum - as in if I never knew PCF existed and had no remote idea as to the cost of chips - I would still adore both the BTPs and Tigers.

The AS and Obis and all the others are cool, but I’d never know them apart from the rest of the chip sets out there.

Ahhh so just a matter of cost yeah?

I could see that. Then again everything’s expensive now, so that kinda helps offset it. I don’t remember seeing a single $10k set for sale when I started out, and I never saw a single classified that was “this is priced insane, I know it. But in case someone is willing to pay it here it is” until recent years.

On the flip side, the possibility of making hundreds of thousands of dollars also entices people to get NAGBs through nowadays, so that’s a factor that can’t be ignored (as a positive). There’s your hot take! If nagbs weren’t so expensive, we wouldn’t have as many - def not SBs.
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For me, it’s about opportunity cost rather than absolute cost, especially after considering the near-perfect (this is the controversial part) spectrum of substitute goods

10-25c slugs
30-40c cards mold
50c web mold
$1 TCR RHC
$1.75 live chips
$2+ RHC and THCs in various conditions
$3 CPCs
upNdown said:
Not for me. This hobby has always been about casino chips to me. I never wanted fantasy chips of any kind and the NAGBs all fall into that category.
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Out of curiosity, why does it have to be a casino chip?
 
elemeno said:
For me, it’s about opportunity cost rather than absolute cost, especially after considering the near-perfect (this is the controversial part) spectrum of substitute goods

10-25c slugs
30-40c cards mold
50c web mold
$1 TCR RHC
$1.75 live chips
$2+ RHC and THCs in various conditions
$3 CPCs

Out of curiosity, why does it have to be a casino chip?
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It’s just what I like. There’s something about them that I think is cooler than anything else. (If they’re from known Vegas casinos, they might hold long-term value better too, but that’s not really what it’s about.)
Everybody likes what they like. Some guys have a wall full of samples of other people’s customs - I don’t see the appeal. We all come at the hobby from different angles.
 
btbmason said:
I’ve played with exactly none of them, so in theory that could potentially change my mind.
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I was initially going to respond that it doesn’t matter - if you've played with Paulsons, you've played with Paulsons. But I got to thinking about it.
I’ve played with unleaded IHCs - they feel amazing.
I’ve played with unleaded THCs - they feel very underwhelming to somebody who’s used to leaded THCs. Especially the non-textured inlays.
So that covers the feel of NAGBs - I know how they feel.
But there’s more to it than that. I got to play with an amazing set of relabled NAGBs. And I’m glad I got the chance, because what I learned surprised me. This set had all the amazing bright, arc, dayglo colors. I thought I’d love them - that’s how I would have built a set if I was going that route. I actually found all those crazy colors to be overwhelming. Too much!
Chips can surprise you.
 
elemeno said:
For me, it’s about opportunity cost rather than absolute cost, especially after considering the near-perfect (this is the controversial part) spectrum of substitute goods

10-25c slugs
30-40c cards mold
50c web mold
$1 TCR RHC
$1.75 live chips
$2+ RHC and THCs in various conditions
$3 CPCs

Out of curiosity, why does it have to be a casino chip?
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I am in agreement. The availability of substitutes is a huge driver.

The Casino Chip aspect just has some “panache” if you will. It’s cool that these chips were in an actual gaming establishment which was by and large the only place you could see and use these chips. They have a specific history. They’re “special” in that regard. At least for me.

The value has never been there for me on NAGB’s. They are cool, I can appreciate them, I just don’t think they are $7 - $10/chip cool.
 
upNdown said:
I was initially going to respond that it doesn’t matter - if you've played with Paulsons, you've played with Paulsons. But I got to thinking about it.
I’ve played with unleaded IHCs - they feel amazing.
I’ve played with unleaded THCs - they feel very underwhelming to somebody who’s used to leaded THCs. Especially the non-textured inlays.
So that covers the feel of NAGBs - I know how they feel.
But there’s more to it than that. I got to play with an amazing set of relabled NAGBs. And I’m glad I got the chance, because what I learned surprised me. This set had all the amazing bright, arc, dayglo colors. I thought I’d love them - that’s how I would have built a set if I was going that route. I actually found all those crazy colors to be overwhelming. Too much!
Chips can surprise you.
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bro this.

F**k. Yellow. Fracs. On my chipping list of things I hate apparently. If my og toger set didn’t have yellow fracs, I wouldn’t have gone on my tiger chipping journey and I wouldn’t have lost thousands of dollars (who am I kidding, prob still might have).

I was so tilted and annoyed by yellow fracs, I put it up for sale immediately the day after felting the set. If I didn’t play with them, I would have never thought to sell them. In hindsight I could just sold the fracs and used it as a $1/$1 set.

Never again.

(And you know what, this goes as a +1 to people that purposefully don’t felt their chips. F**k you too, you don’t even know if you like the chipsets you’re collecting if they don’t hit the felt. Talk about fake action frauds.)

[edit - this aint the hip hop thread, but this is how I feel about fake a** non felting folks. 2nd verse and on - and you know what, prob is the same way that og folk feel about folks that own nagb, that's what makes art beautiful!]
 
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BarrieJ3 said:
bro this.

F**k. Yellow. Fracs. On my chipping list of things I hate apparently. If my og toger set didn’t have yellow fracs, I wouldn’t have gone on my tiger chipping journey and I wouldn’t have lost thousands of dollars (who am I kidding, prob still might have).

I was so tilted and annoyed by yellow fracs, I put it up for sale immediately the day after felting the set. If I didn’t play with them, I would have never thought to sell them. In hindsight I could just sold the fracs and used it as a $1/$1 set.

Never again.

(And you know what, this goes as a +1 to people that purposefully don’t felt their chips. F**k you too, you don’t even know if you like the chipsets you’re collecting if they don’t hit the felt. Talk about fake action frauds.)

[edit - this aint the hip hop thread, but this is how I feel about fake a** non felting folks. 2nd verse and on - and you know what, prob is the same way that og folk feel about folks that own nagb, that's what makes art beautiful!]
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This is only okay because my fracs are arc yellow, which is technically orange.
I’m not opposed to bright colors. But I learned I don’t like too many of them all together.
 
upNdown said:
This is only okay because my fracs are arc yellow, which is technically orange.
I’m not opposed to bright colors. But I learned I don’t like too many of them all together.
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Arc Yellow fine. Peach fine. Etc. etc. They aren't a color that extraordinarily often represents a $5 in a ton of the best poker chip sets.

A true yellow frac, *especially* not solid or with an intricate spot? Gtfoh.

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Y'all want some controversial opinions? Line up and tell me what you like, I'll tell you why you wrong. Non felting yellow frac having mongrels.

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(I jest, I'm just saucy because I thought I'd get to go to two upcoming meetups, and instead it's 0. I'm just jelly)
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Arc Yellow fine. Peach fine. Etc. etc. They aren't a color that extraordinarily often represents a $5 in a ton of the best poker chip sets.

A true yellow frac, *especially* not solid or with an intricate spot? Gtfoh.

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Y'all want some controversial opinions? Line up and tell me what you like, I'll tell you why you wrong. Non felting yellow frac having mongrels.

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(I jest, I'm just saucy because I thought I'd get to go to two upcoming meetups, and instead it's 0. I'm just jelly)
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Oh. Damn. Based on your reasoning, I have to fire back with an opinion that should not be controversial. Pay no attention to what those California hippie freaks are doing with yellow chips, because fives are red and reds are fives. BOOM!
 
upNdown said:
Oh. Damn. Based on your reasoning, I have to fire back with an opinion that should not be controversial. Pay no attention to what those California hippie freaks are doing with yellow chips, because fives are red and reds are fives. BOOM!
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How dare you sir!

I can't wait to bring some Cali flavor to NH and Boston :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Arc Yellow fine. Peach fine. Etc. etc. They aren't a color that extraordinarily often represents a $5 in a ton of the best poker chip sets.
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How do you feel about blue for fracs, considering this is a common color for a $1 chip in both Cali and Vegas sets?
 
btbmason said:
How do you feel about blue for fracs, considering this is a common color for a $1 chip in both Cali and Vegas sets?
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Man, true answer? I'm too ignorant to answer.

I've only started playing in recent years, and as of now I've played.......once since my meetup in April. Maybe a handful in the last 2 years? So I just don't have table time to know. Which is why I said the whole f**k non felters.

I had NO CLUE how I felt about yellow fracs. Until I played with a set that had spotted yellow fracs and everyone kept almost miscounting/playing/betting/etc. all night. I had never seen that happen before then, and have never seen it happen again. Again, probably doesn't help that half the sets we use have yellow 5s and the whole set was pretty, but yeah that was an immediate nogo/annoyance. I play poker to escape real life, laugh until I cry, and potentially get not sober. Crazy yellow fracs don't support that.

Blue fracs....idk wtf are those? There's those blue and yellowish star ones that are .25s. I had some of those tommy gun bcc mold ones, but they were like powder blue. Idk, guess it would depend on the set and such. I will say I'm now SUPER READY for a standard set. Every set I "own" has blue $1s, and like that's cool, but a vegas colored set for me is prob what cali feels like for everyone else at this point.
 
Wtf am I missing with people trying to sell Tina chips for what seems to be over Justin’s pricing in the classifieds?
 
suchj0sh said:
Well it’s starting to feel like the Tina sales should be cordoned off at this point. Getting pretty out of hand.
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Wait, what? I think you might have hit a controversial opinion!

I have a pretty documented historical issue with flippers, but cordon off people for reselling a vendors goods?

That feels like a lot.

I mean if we’re going that far, then we’re definitely having a conversation with the chip room on their ambiguous titles, unwillingness to answer questions in sales threads, and selling their “last” set for a 2nd or 3rd time right?

Lolz, that’s what we need is to protect the vendors paying the site over the members (a lot of whom also paying the site).
 
I’m not suggesting it as a means to protect anyone. It’s just kind of obnoxious.

And I mean market pricing on any casino chip is at least somewhat up for discussion. Pricing on Tina’s is not, I can just go check the next group buy and see how much the going rate is.
 
suchj0sh said:
I’m not suggesting it as a means to protect anyone. It’s just kind of obnoxious.

And I mean market pricing on any casino chip is at least somewhat up for discussion. Pricing on Tina’s is not, I can just go check the next group buy and see how much the going rate is.
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I have a lower opinion of Tina chips than most people and I have a lower opinion of flippers than most people. But if somebody wants to pay a little extra to get the chips instantly, instead of waiting two months, why should we care?

I’m just being a lousy contrarian here, but it seems like a valid point.
 
suchj0sh said:
I’m not suggesting it as a means to protect anyone. It’s just kind of obnoxious.

And I mean market pricing on any casino chip is at least somewhat up for discussion. Pricing on Tina’s is not, I can just go check the next group buy and see how much the going rate is.
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Oh, yeah. Lol I might be gone too (not might) if we’re booting obnoxious.

But I feel ya there. As covered ad nauseam though, its buyer beware and not a regulated marketplace. I just recently tried eBay for the first time, entertaining seeing the Tina chip sets there.
 
suchj0sh said:
I’m not suggesting it as a means to protect anyone. It’s just kind of obnoxious.

And I mean market pricing on any casino chip is at least somewhat up for discussion. Pricing on Tina’s is not, I can just go check the next group buy and see how much the going rate is.
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Not advocating the practice of flipping Tina’s (or anything) over cost, but there’s something to be said about paying a premium for immediate availability vs waiting 2-3 months. Especially for impulse buys or games that are currently running.

Edit: I was too slow and someone else said this already.
 
upNdown said:
I have a lower opinion of Tina chips than most people and I have a lower opinion of flippers than most people. But if somebody wants to pay a little extra to get the chips instantly, instead of waiting two months, why should we care?

I’m just being a lousy contrarian here, but it seems like a valid point.
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I guess. I just can’t imagine being so impatient that I paid more for some random assortment of Tina’s.
 

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