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COVID-19 (Corona virous) and your home game? (8 Viewers)
- Thread starter Jake14mw
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I am going to send out my reservation email for the Saturday June 6 game with a HUGE BOLDED disclaimer that a go/no go decision will be made closer to game time using the best information we have at the time. My hunch is that we most likely will not be in the spot to play yet, but I want to give my guys something to hope for and something else to think about other than being home for months at a time.
Not to be mistaken with a poker club that continued to have games, because there didn't seem to be much of an issue in their county.
How could anyone mistake El Paso County, CO which covers 195 square miles and has over 900 confirmed cases of the Coronavirus with Washington County, ME which covers 3,250+ square miles and its two cases of the virus? (Both recovered, btw.) To make such a mistake would be foolish.
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Still a total flippant asshole I see?
No. A realist.
Denying the realities of a pandemic and thinking your backwards neck of the woods is special isn’t realism, it’s delusional.
With registered victims going well over 1m in your country, you’d think the bs of amateur virologists like yourself would somehow end.
But hey, Mojo’s Magical Realm of Delusion protects everyone from Covid19.
I hope the people around you are smarter.
Jake14mw
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I understand the reaction (without the name calling), but if you have followed Mojo's posts in this thread, he has not been flippant. He has continued to provide his honest opinion about the fact that he lives in a remote area without much risk. Feel free to disagree with him (I disagree too), but I don't think attacks are warranted. I'd be willing to guess that a good number of people posting in this thread might begin hosting again feeling fairly safe where the statistical risk is actually greater than it is for Mojo's game right now.
I just think it's another example of where people have to take a "side" and attack the other "side". I guess that's the way of the world now. Let's have a reasonable discussion and at least listen to each other.
I’m just referencing an older post by him in which he literally wondered if he was bring flippant and/or an asshole in this.
I would never call names out of the blue, but I get your concern
But reason went out the window long ago for mr invincible over there. Let him play cards because apparently it’s worth the risk of contracting/spreading a virus that has killed 10s of thousands worldwide. But don’t tell me that I’m the one who needs to be reasonable when he’s the one putting other people in danger.
Look. You can continue to make these strident attacks against me from across the ocean with no clue whatsoever about traffic patterns, what health measures are being practiced and the amount of testing that has been done in our part of the State.
I don't proclaim to know what is going on in parts of Belgium regarding the virus or what safety measures your country or local government have taken because that would be rash of me.
The level of alarm you are expressing is entirely unwarranted, as are the accusations that I am endangering people's lives. Logic dictates that with a virus this virulent, we would have diagnosed cases that would indicate community spread.
But none of the above changes anything, because you have already made your judgement. I am still a delusional flippant asshole who has no regard for the well being of others because I get together with four or five guys and play poker on occasion.
I don't proclaim to know what is going on in parts of Belgium regarding the virus or what safety measures your country or local government have taken because that would be rash of me.
The level of alarm you are expressing is entirely unwarranted, as are the accusations that I am endangering people's lives. Logic dictates that with a virus this virulent, we would have diagnosed cases that would indicate community spread.
But none of the above changes anything, because you have already made your judgement. I am still a delusional flippant asshole who has no regard for the well being of others because I get together with four or five guys and play poker on occasion.
If you're looking for somebody to argue against you on that point, I think you came to the wrong place.
Has a mandated lockdown or stay-at-home order been issued in your state? Or has your government authority given you the green light to go out and congregate with others in groups with no personal protection?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
He's basically Maine's version of Trump. "Very few cases, we have it under control"
Then 63,000 deaths later...
Then 63,000 deaths later...
Kind of another side of the coin here. While we are not in the spot to have games here in MD, we're still in the stay at home phase, I don't see anything wrong with reaching out to your list, putting something on the schedule, and saying we will revisit it closer to the date of the event. I think it is important to give people hope that we possibly could be playing. Eventually we will start creeping out of this, I think its fine to look forward to that and take steps towards it.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
We've done that twice now. I still prepare my games as usual, and cancel/reschedule 3-7 days out.
I already have proposed as our first post-covid tournament to be a short-handed (3-4 people per table) shootout event, just to encourage social distancing. But I am not foolish enough to think that just because I'm in rural Tennessee with no new cases that I should risk the lives of family members that aren't attending. Covid-19 is undetectable. That means you dont know you have it, and can pass it unknowingly.
On one hand, everyone is fine and we needlessly miss a game. On the other hand, someone dies and you aren't aware you caused it.
I already have proposed as our first post-covid tournament to be a short-handed (3-4 people per table) shootout event, just to encourage social distancing. But I am not foolish enough to think that just because I'm in rural Tennessee with no new cases that I should risk the lives of family members that aren't attending. Covid-19 is undetectable. That means you dont know you have it, and can pass it unknowingly.
On one hand, everyone is fine and we needlessly miss a game. On the other hand, someone dies and you aren't aware you caused it.
I am presenting the facts of my locality. You keep pointing out the numbers for other areas, now the country, like we are all one petri dish. You know that is false. The rate of infection in El Paso, Colorado is different from Queens, New York. and that is true across the country.
I could understand your outrage if we had a half dozen cases in our County or a Coronavirus related death, but that is not the case.
These tirades on how my actions are jeopardizing the lives of others or prolonging the lock-down are without merit, but keep on preaching if it makes you feel righteous.
You’re still increasing the risk for your locality. Waiting until your community is under full attack by the virus is the biggest mistake we’ve made so far. Learn.
Somehow, I doubt it, but yet again, it’s dangerous to wait until this happens.
They’re not tirades, they’re warnings and concerns you decided to ignore. You, as some self proclaimed expert on the spread of this brand new pandemic, then were surprised that people were baffled by your complete lack of concern and by how you consider your own self-serving argument to be superior to the advice of thousands of scientists.
And yeah, at some point people lose their patience. Might be the fact that irresponsible people like you pose the biggest threat to our collective health and they’re afraid someone close to them thinks the same way you do.
If you’re wondering why people seem to be so mad, it’s because they are and because it’s called for in this situation.
Get off your high horse shaped poker table and postpone your god damn card games.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Bridge players lick each other more, I mean everybody knows that, right?
I have a game on our Meetup calendar for Sunday, May 31. I think I have a flush draws' chance.
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
Rural Maine is at a lower risk of spreading Covid now than nearly any population center will be at any point this entire year.
Be slow to judge, fellas
Be slow to judge, fellas
tabletalker7
Full House
Definitely got to unwatch now - too much preaching
Still waiting to hear his answer.
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
For Maine, looks like if one is congregating must be group of <=10 people
| Confirmed 1,095 | Recovered 631 | Deaths 53 |
| Location | Confirmed | Recovered | Deaths |
|---|---|---|---|
| Cumberland County | 504 | 293 | 27 |
| York County | 208 | 143 | 7 |
| Kennebec County | 104 | 39 | 6 |
| Penobscot County | 79 | 43 | 0 |
| Androscoggin County | 52 | 27 | 2 |
| Waldo County | 49 | 24 | 12 |
| Franklin County | 28 | 12 | 1 |
| Sagadahoc County | 19 | 13 | 0 |
| Somerset County | 17 | 14 | 0 |
| Knox County | 16 | 13 | 0 |
| Oxford County | 15 | 12 | 0 |
| Lincoln County | 14 | 10 | 0 |
| Hancock County | 10 | 8 | 0 |
| Aroostook County | 5 | 3 | 0 |
| Washington County | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Piscataquis County | 1 | 1 | 0 |
Hancock, Aroostook and Penobscot Counties border Washington County. The numbers for Penobscot County reflect the 21 recently confirmed cases of Covid-19 at a homeless shelter in Bangor.
The four counties cover an area equivalent in size to Massachusetts and Connecticut (16,000 sq. miles) and have a combined population of 300,000, half of whom live in Penobscot County.
Belgium on the other hand, covers less than 12,000 square miles and has a population of 11.5 million, which makes it the 22nd densest populated country in the world. Something I did not know until today Mathijs.
Yes, the chances of being infected are a lot higher here than where you are, never disputed that.
This doesn’t change a thing about my argument. If I gave you two boxes of skittles and told you one box had 10% chance of containing a deadly poison and the other had a 0.5% chance, you wouldn’t eat either.
Don’t gamble on this crap, it’s not a poker pot you can win or where you can lose and then tell yourself the odds were pretty good so you were committed.
This doesn’t change a thing about my argument. If I gave you two boxes of skittles and told you one box had 10% chance of containing a deadly poison and the other had a 0.5% chance, you wouldn’t eat either.
Don’t gamble on this crap, it’s not a poker pot you can win or where you can lose and then tell yourself the odds were pretty good so you were committed.
Poked in here because our monthly events have been shuttered since COVID arrived (and will stay that way until we get a green light from health officials), but the question I have is what precautions are you all taking for when the games CAN resume. I'm not interested in an argument (see above posts), just wondering what some of you are thinking. Hand sanitizer for players available, cleaning chips before play (and after), and what about cards and the like...any thoughts on those topics?
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
Without getting to a discussion about when it’s safe, whenever it ends up being this year or not, probably the only major thing I’ll do is ask folks who are not feeling well to sit it out. I also have a fan with a UV filter so maybe I’ll have that running too.
My hunch is the hand sanitizer isn’t really that effective at preventing airborne respiratory disease, nor would wiping down chips or cards
yeah, the sani would be in time saver (for lack of a better description) for hand washing. Trying to keep is off the cards/chips (because of its tendency to stick on surfaces, and then subsequent face touching that I can't avoid, lol), was the reason I asked about that. The note of staying home if you don't feel well is prudent, and our group does that without being reminded. If I had a nickel for every late dropout for illness in years past, I would have a lot of nickels, LOL.
Where you get dem fans, BTW.
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
At minimum, this is what I'm instituting to start out:
-No food or snacks at the table. Multiple hands and fingers in a bowl of chips or pretzels, with those hands and fingers on or close to one's mouth minutes later will be able to spread illness the easiest
-Washing of hands with sanitizer upon sitting at and leaving the table
-Drinks are ok, I think. No one is sharing a bottle of water or a can of beer.
-Masks are going to be an absolute must until there's a vaccine. The simple act of speaking spreads droplets and that's what gets people sick. Not necessarily contact by hands on surfaces and objects. Wearing a mask prevents one from touching their nose and mouth. Anyone caught wiping their eyes donates an additional big blind to the following pot and must wash their hands immediately. If you wear glasses, great! Wear them.
-Cleaning and washing chips and cards is a waste of time, provided the host doesn't touch the cards or chips again for a few days after play. COVID dies off after a few days maximum on surfaces. It should be ok to use the same set of chips or cards on a biweekly basis, but should be rotated if games occur more frequently, IMO.
-Anyone with known active COVID or close contact with a known active COVID case (i.e a family member that lives in the same home) will be barred from the game. Period. They can't return until two weeks after the individual in question recovers.
Which brings me to....
It's all moot for me anyway for the foreseeable future. I'm working with recovering COVID patients every day. Whether they're still contagious or not after 7-14 +days after presentation to the hospital, I'm not chancing it. Have said it in another thread, but I'm cautiously optimistic that I can host or attend games again by September with the curve that New Jersey is taking. I will not go to or host any games as long as I'm still treating COVID patients.
-No food or snacks at the table. Multiple hands and fingers in a bowl of chips or pretzels, with those hands and fingers on or close to one's mouth minutes later will be able to spread illness the easiest
-Washing of hands with sanitizer upon sitting at and leaving the table
-Drinks are ok, I think. No one is sharing a bottle of water or a can of beer.
-Masks are going to be an absolute must until there's a vaccine. The simple act of speaking spreads droplets and that's what gets people sick. Not necessarily contact by hands on surfaces and objects. Wearing a mask prevents one from touching their nose and mouth. Anyone caught wiping their eyes donates an additional big blind to the following pot and must wash their hands immediately. If you wear glasses, great! Wear them.
-Cleaning and washing chips and cards is a waste of time, provided the host doesn't touch the cards or chips again for a few days after play. COVID dies off after a few days maximum on surfaces. It should be ok to use the same set of chips or cards on a biweekly basis, but should be rotated if games occur more frequently, IMO.
-Anyone with known active COVID or close contact with a known active COVID case (i.e a family member that lives in the same home) will be barred from the game. Period. They can't return until two weeks after the individual in question recovers.
Which brings me to....
It's all moot for me anyway for the foreseeable future. I'm working with recovering COVID patients every day. Whether they're still contagious or not after 7-14 +days after presentation to the hospital, I'm not chancing it. Have said it in another thread, but I'm cautiously optimistic that I can host or attend games again by September with the curve that New Jersey is taking. I will not go to or host any games as long as I'm still treating COVID patients.
Solid guidelines. Thank you.
And since I didn't see you post about your work with patients, THANK YOU FOR THAT! So much more important than card games. #Hero
Jake14mw
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Where did you get this information? I'm not questioning it, I just want to know more about it.
Check the CDC or any reliable resource that's legitimate. While you should still wash your hands, preventing respiratory droplets from spreading is the best practice to minimize transmission.
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