Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (3 Viewers)

Did she cheat?

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Windwalker said:
To clarify, the person muting / unmuting players has real time access to the hole card footage as he is monitoring if people are getting up / sitting down, and also has to turn down certain players if he monitors the conversation isn’t interesting, or is muddying an otherwise interesting exchange.
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I think that this is a huge mistake to give real time access to the hole cards anybody. The production team should figure something out so that technically the signal between the hardware in the table and control room transporting the information about the hole cards is DELAYED!!!
 
ekricket said:
Omg it’s bad enough when players reconstruct past hands but now the commentators

It’s not Hustler Last Nights Poker
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I think you got me wrong. The Stream was always on delay. The commentators commentated always on delay. But Krish said that he was shown the control room in which the staff was able to watch the holecards live. That's not necessary. Thats my point.
 
Monitor, meet Hammer. Problem solved.

Or just use the damn off-switch.
 
Santa123 said:
I think you got me wrong. The Stream was always on delay. The commentators commentated always on delay. But Krish said that he was shown the control room in which the staff was able to watch the holecards live. That's not necessary. Thats my point.
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See my comments here, here, and here. It would be difficult to include the hole cards in the streaming video without making them available live to the production staff.
 
CrazyEddie said:
See my comments here, here, and here. It would be difficult to include the hole cards in the streaming video without making them available live to the production staff.
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Live production staff don’t need to see hole cards

Berkey said Ryan likes to see them so he can direct cameras as action takes place

Seems a stretch to say this Is absolutely necessary

Delay the card info by 10 minutes.
Server overlays card info on all delayed camera angles.
Production has full 20 minutes ( take more if needed. Who the F cares if delayed 30 or 40 minutes )
Air strream.

Secure. Done and done
 
problem is when the rfid does not pick up a card, the dealer is asked to read out the hand so it can go into production before its streamed.
If the card read error was delayed until after the cards are mucked, they would not be able to fix it. And you would get a lot of blanks on the graphics, which would suck.
You constantly see the dealer reading hands out loud, and going back and repeating at the request of the production team.

apologies if this was already said, i havent visited this thread in a week and no way im tryna fully catch up :)
 
CrazyEddie said:
See my comments here, here, and here. It would be difficult to include the hole cards in the streaming video without making them available live to the production staff.
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I am sure there are a hand full of solutions on a technical or organization level for the problems you present.
I am an electrical engineer and expert in automation system.
In my opinion you need a seperate unit a hardware in the table that can store the data of the holecards and send them on delay with a timestamp to the computer in the control room. The programming of the computer and communication to the control room can be qualified as safe. These qualifications are standard procedures for computer systems I know a lot of in industries like pharma or food.

To make sure that mystery hands are seldom. You could build LEDs in the table which signal in real time if a card/ hand has been succesfully read. For the case that the RFID reader read the card wrong, I dont have a solution. But as far as I know this realy doesn't happen often. Usally the RFID can read or not but don't missread cards.
 
I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think this might be a solution without a problem. We’ve been watching WSOP and other high profile streams for many years now without a sniff of a problem. It’s these fly by night games that are more interested in YouTube hits than running a secure game that are the problem. Like any other game, choose one that’s reputable and you’ll probably be good.
 
upNdown said:
I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think this might be a solution without a problem. We’ve been watching WSOP and other high profile streams for many years now without a sniff of a problem. It’s these fly by night games that are more interested in YouTube hits than running a secure game that are the problem. Like any other game, choose one that’s reputable and you’ll probably be good.
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I think the fact that players choose to play is really all that matters. They are the ones risking money. If they are willing to, what else matters? If they are not willing to, their criteria is the one that matters.

For this reason I’d be curious what controls @Windwalker would insist on before playing in a streamed game. If we had other members who periodically play on streamed games that would be interesting too. I don’t think anyone here has made a televised wsop final table yet. And I’m not counting @CraigT78 awesome stream.
 
Highli99 said:
think the fact that players choose to play is really all that matters. They are the ones risking money. If they are willing to, what else matters? If they are not willing to, their criteria is the one that matters.
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I watched negreanu’s latest podcast today and he made that exact point, in response to Berkey’s assertion that the hustler game should be shut down until they’ve proven it to be secure.
Daniel can be as full of shit as anybody and he might have an ax to grind with berkey, but all that aside, I think it’s a fair point. Informed adults are entitled to make their own decisions, and if somebody is putting their money on the line without being informed then shame on them.
 
Santa123 said:
I am sure there are a hand full of solutions on a technical or organization level for the problems you present.
I am an electrical engineer and expert in automation system.
In my opinion you need a seperate unit a hardware in the table that can store the data of the holecards and send them on delay with a timestamp to the computer in the control room. The programming of the computer and communication to the control room can be qualified as safe. These qualifications are standard procedures for computer systems I know a lot of in industries like pharma or food.

To make sure that mystery hands are seldom. You could build LEDs in the table which signal in real time if a card/ hand has been succesfully read. For the case that the RFID reader read the card wrong, I dont have a solution. But as far as I know this realy doesn't happen often. Usally the RFID can read or not but don't missread cards.
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Indeed, such measures are possible, but I'm not sure that they're feasible. I doubt any system like that exists today; someone would need to develop it. I'm not sure what HCL's budget is; my wild guess is that commissioning such a system would be beyond their means. But maybe not, and maybe they (or someone else? who else is doing anything like this?) will consider it important enough to spend the money and restore some confidence in their game.

... but I'm very skeptical that it will happen, at least any time soon.
 
CrazyEddie said:
Indeed, such measures are possible, but I'm not sure that they're feasible. I doubt any system like that exists today; someone would need to develop it. I'm not sure what HCL's budget is; my wild guess is that commissioning such a system would be beyond their means. But maybe not, and maybe they (or someone else? who else is doing anything like this?) will consider it important enough to spend the money and restore some confidence in their game.

... but I'm very skeptical that it will happen, at least any time soon.
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Ya, I agree. This isn't happening anytime soon. It's also still not an ironclad solution. The live data feed still has to be sent to whatever device or software implements the delay. It can still be hacked, it just might require a little more sophistication than what most prison escapees with robbery charges on their rap sheets are capable of.
 
upNdown said:
Informed adults are entitled to make their own decisions, and if somebody is putting their money on the line without being informed then shame on them.
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Key word: Informed.


Until this hand went down, no one knew that HCL did not do background checks on its staff. No one knew that at least one of those employees had a record, and was stealing from one player—maybe more.

No one knew that the stream had poor security for its technology, and few if any controls to prevent staff from potentially signaling players.

And now that players are more informed, it appears that a lot of high-profile, well-bankrolled pros are avoiding that game.

But they weren’t informed before. Arguably they should have suspected something, or at least factored the likelihood of shenanigans into their decisions to play... But honestly, who could anticipate something like a staffer palming chips off of a stack on camera?
 
P.S. HCL almost probably wouldn't have noticed Bryan’s theft, and might never have disclosed it, if Garrett hadn’t raised a stink about the hand and forced public scrutiny. That alone makes his complaint worthwhile IMHO.
 
Taghkanic said:
Key word: Informed.


Until this hand went down, no one knew that HCL did not do background checks on its staff. No one knew that at least one of those employees had a record, and was stealing from one player—maybe more.

No one knew that the stream had poor security for its technology, and few if any controls to prevent staff from potentially signaling players.

And now that players are more informed, it appears that a lot of high-profile, well-bankrolled pros are avoiding that game.

But they weren’t informed before. Arguably they should have suspected something, or at least factored the likelihood of shenanigans into their decisions to play... But honestly, who could anticipate something like a staffer palming chips off of a stack on camera?
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Well, it’s gambling and all the woes that come with it.
I always assume there is something wrong with any illicit activity I’m doing. No matter how up and up it seems. There’s always somebody looking for an angle, sometimes it’s players, sometimes it’s the house.
When you play games with shady people, don’t be surprised when shady stuff happens.
Protect yourself - because nobody else is doing it for you -and they shouldn’t either.
Count your stack before leaving the table. Watch the players.
Watch the house
Walk away if it looks suspicious, or take your lumps if it looks suspicious but you play anyway. You know what you got yourself into.

Gambling debts are not enforceable. The cops and the courts aren’t going to help you. The other criminal justice system is your only recourse.
 
ekricket said:
Some nice people you got there. Since it’s legal and on the up and up there you don’t have to worry about being cheated. Good luck with that.
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Never said not to worry. I questioned your understanding of the word “illicit.”

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Many people would say the gambling at a legal, public casino is generally far safer than gambling in private games, for obvious reasons — security, cameras, licensed dealers, floor staff, some ID requirements, etc.

I think part of the reason players are so interested in the Robbi situation is because it calls into question the legitimacy of one of the most high-profile games in a public, televised venue, which people previously assumed to be reliable.

I’ve played in some fairly shady private games, including one where (much to my chagrin) three players later went to jail for murder. Yup. I did not know, and am much more careful now.

I’ve also kicked a valued friend out of my own game for cheating, though it would have made my life a hell of a lot simpler to look the other way.

So yeah, be careful. Not just at card games, but everywhere. Believe it or not people cheat and steal in other places, too. Shocker, I know.
 
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ekricket said:
I understand it perfectly. Just because some people say it’s “legal” somewhere doesn’t mean it’s not illicit.
I question your ability to function in this world if you can’t understand that
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Yeah, you’re just wrong (while speaking to someone who makes his living writing and picking words for accuracy).

Illicit quite literally means not legal. Both in usage and in its Latin roots.

Meanwhile gambling casinos exist in 42 of 50 states, including California. Of the other eight, several have other provisions (e.g. legal card rooms in NH).

In this context, there was nothing whatsoever illicit about gambling. Cheating is a different story. Or hosting an illegal private game.

The HCL game wasn’t one of those.
 
Taghkanic said:
Yeah, you’re just wrong (while speaking to someone who makes his living writing and picking words for accuracy).

Illicit quite literally means not legal. Both in usage and in its Latin roots.

Meanwhile gambling casinos exist in 42 of 50 states, including California. Of the other eight, several have other provisions (e.g. legal card rooms in NH).

In this context, there was nothing whatsoever illicit about gambling. Cheating is a different story. Or hosting an illegal private game.

The HCL game wasn’t one of those.
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Well in all fairness you should post the complete definition of illicit.

You are obviously a story teller of some sort, delineating and abbreviating where it suits your purpose

Illicit and Elicit​

Illicit, while not exactly an everyday word, is far more common than its antonym, licit ("not forbidden by law, permissible"). Perhaps this is a function of our oft-noted fascination with bad behavior and boredom with rectitude. In any case, illicit may be used of behavior that is either unlawful or immoral. These categories frequently overlap, but they are not always synonymous, as some unlawful activities (illicit cigarette smoking) may not be considered immoral, while some immoral activities (an illicit affair) are not illegal. Illicit is occasionally confused with elicit because of the similarity in their pronunciations, but the two words have decidedly different meanings and functions: in contemporary English, elicit is a verb meaning "to get (a response, information, etc.) from someone," while illicit appears solely as an adjective.
 

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