RainmanTrail
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You're right. I probably should have said "at least a hundred PMs" rather than "dozens". If anyone wishes to place a side bet on that, I can probably still prove it.
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Explain the Wynn Chip Hype to Me Like I'm a 4 Year Old (3 Viewers)
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You're right. I probably should have said "at least a hundred PMs" rather than "dozens". If anyone wishes to place a side bet on that, I can probably still prove it.
@RainmanTrail i bet your love for these chips is influenced by how profitable they were for you. If they didn't work out so well for you, you might not be so sure they're the prettiest of all time.
No hate here at all, just a little armchair psychology.
No hate here at all, just a little armchair psychology.
RainmanTrail
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links_slayer
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RainmanTrail
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When someone says "#askingforafriend" they're making a joke. It means they are asking for themselves but are pretending as though they're talking about someone else. I was being funny.
#whysosenstive? Are you doing naughty things Josh?
superchromix
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I wish I could hit "like" on this post about 15 more times
RainmanTrail
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I'll tell you what. I'll offer you 10 to 1 odds up to a grand to side bet me on whether or not my statement was true.
superchromix
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I don't mind if your statement was true or not, I just like that post at least 15 times more than I can express with a single "like"
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RainmanTrail
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I don't mind if your statement was true or not, I just like that post at least 15 times more than I can express with a single "like"
Pro tip: if you click the unlike button, you may discover that your wish could soon be granted!
RainmanTrail
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Now that's some funny shit!
Poker Zombie's Trump post was pretty damn funny too though. Gotta give you that
I was just wondering, after looking at the Wynn entries in the Chip Guide, if BCC might have made these chips ? Did they have a no mold ?
interesting, didn't look at the spots, just inlays
People who really like a particular set of chips touting their love of said set of chips is pretty common around here, and to be expected. But for this many people to also tout their LACK of love for said chips is what I find so funny, and is also what fuels my continued trolling of pics and defenses of this epic set of chips.
Truth be told, I really couldn't care less if some people don't like these. But it sure is fun to watch a fireworks show! I enjoy supplying the popcorn! Would you like extra salt with yours? Extra butter perhaps? Extra large you say? That'll be $12.99 sir.
And yes, I got a free 2 table Holy Grail tourney set out of the Wynn-Rainman marketing campaign, AND profited from the chips I didn't keep, which in turn helped keep CPC in business! (y) :thumbsup:
Free holy grail set + CPC customs = happy chipper
I also propose that what fuels at least a fair portion of the hatred of these chips probably has more to do with people's hatred of me than it does of the chips themselves.
Sorry, but you crossed the line with me on this one.
I bought those chips he was selling. $950... bit high, but I had 100 each of the 100's and 500's and it made a playable set. I like to buy chips.
Listen, I don't, won't talk much on these forums. It's just not me. We buy chips sell chips win, lose. I think these wynns started on eBay for a fraction, right?
But don't in my face about how awesome you and your transactions are. I find that disrespectful.
I know what your response will be. I've read all of them. go back to the last line and read it again.
ssanel54
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In this case, I think it's more like the nerd bringing a hooker, but not realizing she has an Adam's apple. Sure, some of the others are going to be Way into her, but most will be snickering under their breathe. Still, the nerd won't care, because it's the best bj he's ever had.
bergs
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No, it doesn't make him an asshole at all.
An asshole is a guy that spends time on a chip enthusiast site with a user account, instead of a vendor account, and profits consistently off the other members by hoovering up all the chips they can find and selling them back to the community at a premium after a thinly disguised marketing campaign to boost their value, which in turn makes chips for the enthusiasts more expensive.
Everyone knows what you are. I guess I'm just the one calling you out. You're a cancer on this site and a drain on the community. I ardently wish you'd just go away (or get a vendor account and do what you do on the up and up).
EDIT: while I'm at it, might as well call you out for that ridiculous idea about a chip price guide. Almost everyone here saw through your clever ploy to fix the market for chips and try to make money off us. At least when Ten ripped us off at Chiptalk he was up front about it. You can't even extend that courtesy to us.
And before Tommy over moderates this, I'm pointing out that Rainman readily invited this feedback via his earlier posts. You owe it to the community to let this ride to its logical conclusion.
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Rainman is The Best! Don't hate on a guy because the market, not Rainman, drives up the price beyond your comfort level. There are plenty of exact replica Dunes available.
Ps. I'll be posting some Wynn Charity sample sets in the near future. I'll be asking FMV for them which might be more or less than what I paid. Since there is not a Chip Price Guide I will have to use some guesswork. That's how a hobby works!
Ps. I'll be posting some Wynn Charity sample sets in the near future. I'll be asking FMV for them which might be more or less than what I paid. Since there is not a Chip Price Guide I will have to use some guesswork. That's how a hobby works!
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This discussion/thread will never end, will it?
If you've been on PCF for more than a few months, you definitely have recognized the marketing skills of @RainmanTrail. I doubt anyone would say that being an aggressive marketeer of his chips, hyping them, and selling them for out-sized profit makes him guilty or a bad person. Entrepreneurial? yes. Capitalism at its finest, probably. Not playing to the likings of many die-hard chippers, definitely.
But to some extent, we have to look in the mirror and admit that WE, collectively, are fueling his lavish chip lifestyle. We pay him more for his rare chips, he turns around and buys even more chips at inflated prices and sets new prices in the market. But again, it's US who continue to buy chips (not just from him, but from others) at rapidly inflating prices. If we stop paying $3, $4, $5 for these chips (and forget about the stupid prices of the Horseshoe $500, $1K, $25K chips at, here it comes, $70 for a SINGLE 25K chip...seriously guys, WTF...$7,000 for a RACK of $25K chips?)...then maybe the market will adjust. But as long as we pay exorbitant prices for these chips, we have no one to blame but ourselves. And in such inefficient markets with tight supplies, it is inevitable that some operators will continue to figure out ways to make newbies, as well as desperate chippers, pay through the nose.
Let's have fun chipping. As I have said before, I won't pay more than $3/chip for ANY chip that I like. There are plenty of great chips in the market. Boardwalks aren't Wynn chips. And it's not appropriate to compare custom CPC chips with PCA beauties. But there is a limit to how much one needs to spend to accumulate/buy a beautiful and functional 1,000 piece chip set.
If you've been on PCF for more than a few months, you definitely have recognized the marketing skills of @RainmanTrail. I doubt anyone would say that being an aggressive marketeer of his chips, hyping them, and selling them for out-sized profit makes him guilty or a bad person. Entrepreneurial? yes. Capitalism at its finest, probably. Not playing to the likings of many die-hard chippers, definitely.
But to some extent, we have to look in the mirror and admit that WE, collectively, are fueling his lavish chip lifestyle. We pay him more for his rare chips, he turns around and buys even more chips at inflated prices and sets new prices in the market. But again, it's US who continue to buy chips (not just from him, but from others) at rapidly inflating prices. If we stop paying $3, $4, $5 for these chips (and forget about the stupid prices of the Horseshoe $500, $1K, $25K chips at, here it comes, $70 for a SINGLE 25K chip...seriously guys, WTF...$7,000 for a RACK of $25K chips?)...then maybe the market will adjust. But as long as we pay exorbitant prices for these chips, we have no one to blame but ourselves. And in such inefficient markets with tight supplies, it is inevitable that some operators will continue to figure out ways to make newbies, as well as desperate chippers, pay through the nose.
Let's have fun chipping. As I have said before, I won't pay more than $3/chip for ANY chip that I like. There are plenty of great chips in the market. Boardwalks aren't Wynn chips. And it's not appropriate to compare custom CPC chips with PCA beauties. But there is a limit to how much one needs to spend to accumulate/buy a beautiful and functional 1,000 piece chip set.
bergs
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Why doesn't he just get a vendor account then? That's essentially what he is.
Why? Because he doesn't hoard chips and has buyers remorse? I'd be surprised if he hasn't lost as much money as he's gained in this hobby.
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ssanel54
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define hoarder? and then check out some of his pics...Not a bad thing IMO
Hoarders don't sell they hoard. Haven't you seen the show "Hoarders"? Rainman has a rather large collection but he's constantly changing his inventory which is great for all chippers, even hoarders.
PCF needs more Rainmans not less Rainmans. Now let's get back to the real discussion...Wynn Charity Chips are not Fantasy Chips! Need to create a special classification for them because they are so special.
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ssanel54
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The guy has his own thread called Rainman's Keeper sets with about 10 sets listed on it....
Again, I have no problem with this, but just because he buys and sells a bunch of other chips, doesn't mean he can't be a hoarder too
superchromix
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If a user is using PCF as his market, buying low and selling high to maximize profit, maybe a solution would be just to cut them out of the market? Then there's nothing they can do. Let them buy and sell on eBay, which is a true market.
On PCF we have rules and guidelines, and let's say unofficial codes of conduct, such as "dibs", no thread crapping, etc., which would have no place in a real free market. Those rules were established over time out of courtesy between the members of PCF. However, these rules can be abused, e.g. by hoovering up chips and re-selling at high mark-up prices, like we're seeing here.
Hence, I disagree with you David, it's not just the pure market at work - PCF is a regulated market with rules based on an understanding between members. If the members of PCF don't like the actions of a particular user in this case, I'd say just don't trade with that user. And perhaps suspend some rules for them, such as dibs, to prevent them from having first come first served privileges.
On PCF we have rules and guidelines, and let's say unofficial codes of conduct, such as "dibs", no thread crapping, etc., which would have no place in a real free market. Those rules were established over time out of courtesy between the members of PCF. However, these rules can be abused, e.g. by hoovering up chips and re-selling at high mark-up prices, like we're seeing here.
Hence, I disagree with you David, it's not just the pure market at work - PCF is a regulated market with rules based on an understanding between members. If the members of PCF don't like the actions of a particular user in this case, I'd say just don't trade with that user. And perhaps suspend some rules for them, such as dibs, to prevent them from having first come first served privileges.
Where is the proof! Besides the Wynn chip brag. I urge anyone to try to replicate what you are accusing Rainman of doing. You will lose so much money you'll never chip again. I've seen him buy chips for rediculous prices. Fortunately for him when he decides to sell them in a month if he cannot find a buyer who can afford them he can sell "Raffle" and recoup his money.
If he were in it for the money he would only sell in small increments!
Think about it!
If he were in it for the money he would only sell in small increments!
Think about it!
As in, it has guidelines, yes. But I don't think it should mean that there is any price regulation, nor should there be. And it is supremely difficult to define such terms as 'being nice to other chippers' and 'price gauging'. After all, it's a free market. But I do agree that some sellers are abusing the kindness 'vulnerability' of PCF chippers. Yes, we are all adults and can decide for ourselves, but it's hard to control addiction. Now, is it the job of other PCFers and or Mods or site owner(s) to manage these situation and stop the abuse? perhaps. I suggest letting the market decide the best course of action. After all, if we stop buying the BS and stop paying exorbitant prices for these chips, the market will self-adjust.
I don't think that's a reasonable way to react to this problem, but I agree that if there are forced to sell on eBay and wait months to sell their chips, then they will become more realistic. Especially given they have to pay 20% to eBay/PayPal for majority of their transactions.
superchromix
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His own posts in this thread speak for themselves.
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