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Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (6 Viewers)

Marius L said:
I don't think anyone is complaining that chips are being producer in China. That's not what this is about.

The problem is producing chips with identical designs as current live Casino chips. (copyright issue + potential casino scams getting PCF and chip collector community in trouble). The identical designs has probably been ok when done with obsolete casino chips on the cards mold, but the question is whether we as a community are crossing a line with a mold copying the main branding logo of GPI with the TinaHC.
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I agree ordering reproductions of chips with the Top Hat and Cane mold is distasteful and not a good look for the community, but at the end of the day it is on GPI to decide whether or not they want to protect their intellectual property against such knock-offs.

You won't find me ordering chips from Tina with the Paulson mold, not because I am worried about any legal jeopardy, but for the simple reason there is no need to be underhanded when there are so many other options open to us.
 
trigs said:
All I'm trying to say here is that the arguments put forth so far against CM (such as: those new to chipping could be fooled by these; if a grandmother was buying chips for someone she could be mistaken thinking these are real, etc.) could easily be used against CPC, BR Poker, Sunfly, etc. but they weren't (or at least if they were I was not aware of it happening).
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Respectfully, this is ridiculous. Some people are getting out pitchforks now because because these card molds are EXACT COPIES. There weren’t any pitchforks back then because those companies didn’t (and still don’t) produce exact copies. That’s the difference. That’s why there weren’t pitchforks then.
If you want to make absurd arguments, yeah, a blind guy wearing gloves could mistake a dice chip for a Paulson. But nobody gets upset about it because that’s absurd.
 
upNdown said:
Respectfully, this is ridiculous. Some people are getting out pitchforks now because because these card molds are EXACT COPIES. There weren’t any pitchforks back then because those companies didn’t (and still don’t) produce exact copies. That’s the difference. That’s why there weren’t pitchforks then.
If you want to make absurd arguments, yeah, a blind guy wearing gloves could mistake a dice chip for a Paulson. But nobody gets upset about it because that’s absurd.
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Excuse me, but those aren't my arguments. Those were other people's arguments in this thread (like I clearly stated in my post). Furthermore, newbies can still be fooled by fake chips despite the fake chips not being exact copies of real Paulson chips. Just saying.
 
Mojo1312 said:
There was a Hathaway shirt manufacturing facility in my small hometown and a woolen factory 20 miles away that made blankets for L.L. Bean in the eighties. My aunt who worked there bought me one for Christmas. Both buildings stand vacant and are in decay. Same with the Saucony sneaker factory in Bangor that closed in 2001 to the detriment of 100 employees and their families.

I invite members to find a footwear store that sells sneakers or work boots made in the USA or a furniture store that sells bedroom or dining room sets made in the USA. But now we are angry that there are clay discs being produced in China.
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The problem of China "knocking off" products IS an issue for nearly every industry. I have worked in several different industries and the issue of China "knock offs" is a consistent theme. It isn't really something people can call out without being hypocritical on some level as darn near everything is made in China (or Cambodia or Vietnam etc.).

One thing I hope North America learns from the COVID madness is to secure a better local supply chain for goods. Imagine getting in a war with China (even just an economic war which is already happening) and now Americans no longer have running shoes. I really hope a movement toward localism gains traction.

The price of cheap goods over the long term is any hiccup in the supply chain may mean zero supply. I realize poker chips are a non essential but it may help to bring some perspective to look at the problem of Chinese stealing IP from a broader business perspective.
 
Johnblue said:
Hot take.

Ceramics suck anyways.

Sorry guys.
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Ceramics still insanely unexplored IMO.

The GOAT ceramic DDLM (bless their heart, whoever designed it):

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and the Paymasters by @Mr Tree :
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Options are endless, but I think most here are used to designing with constraints (defined edge spots and colors, whether Paulson or CPC). Remove those constraints, and designing is suddenly much harder...
 
Lemonzest said:
The problem of China "knocking off" products IS an issue for nearly every industry. I have worked in several different industries and the issue of China "knock offs" is a consistent theme. It isn't really something people can call out without being hypocritical on some level as darn near everything is made in China (or Cambodia or Vietnam etc.).

One thing I hope North America learns from the COVID madness is to secure a better local supply chain for goods. Imagine getting in a war with China (even just an economic war which is already happening) and now Americans no longer have running shoes. I really hope a movement toward localism gains traction.

The price of cheap goods over the long term is any hiccup in the supply chain may mean zero supply. I realize poker chips are a non essential but it may help to bring some perspective to look at the problem of Chinese stealing IP from a broader business perspective.
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Sounds expensive..
 
Lemonzest said:
The problem of China "knocking off" products IS an issue for nearly every industry. I have worked in several different industries and the issue of China "knock offs" is a consistent theme. It isn't really something people can call out without being hypocritical on some level as darn near everything is made in China (or Cambodia or Vietnam etc.).

One thing I hope North America learns from the COVID madness is to secure a better local supply chain for goods. Imagine getting in a war with China (even just an economic war which is already happening) and now Americans no longer have running shoes. I really hope a movement toward localism gains traction.

The price of cheap goods over the long term is any hiccup in the supply chain may mean zero supply. I realize poker chips are a non essential but it may help to bring some perspective to look at the problem of Chinese stealing IP from a broader business perspective.
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Couldn't agree more. Precisely why I have difficulty getting upset about the amount of ceramic chips coming out of China. The computer and keyboard that you and I are using to communicate are products of China. The sonar boards for our nuclear submarines are manufactured in China. The list is endless.

As consumers, we collectively made a decision years ago that paying less in order to have more is better.
 
quintooo said:
Ceramics still insanely unexplored IMO.

The GOAT ceramic DDLM (bless their heart, whoever designed it):

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and the Paymasters by @Mr Tree :
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Options are endless, but I think most here are used to designing with constraints (defined edge spots and colors, whether Paulson or CPC). Remove those constraints, and designing is suddenly much harder...
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Yes, both awesome! Love when people do full art on the ceramics. That’s the only redeeming quality. :)
 
Marius L said:
Sounds expensive..
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Totally.

I don't have all the answers for the global economy... However, given how one sided the supply chain and production is, it seems like a non-controversial take to want to "bring manufacturing back home". This applies regardless of where your "home" is. You pay more for locally made goods but they also create jobs and secure the supply chain.

I don't care at all about cards mold chips. If people want to make direct copies of Aria, Bellagio or other NAGBs then people can fill their boots. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. However, if I look at the problem of Chinese stealing IP more globally it is a huge issue. If I was CPC or another stateside manufacturer I would be livid.
 
Mojo1312 said:
Couldn't agree more. Precisely why I have difficulty getting upset ..........As consumers, we collectively made a decision years ago that paying less in order to have more is better
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True, but just because consumers choose to pay less does not mean it was always the correct decision. Sourcing everything with one's enemy could have devastating consequences as has been pointed out earlier in this thread. There isn't much positive about the loss of manufacturing jobs in the US, right?

It's pretty hard to argue that not enforcing intellectual property rights is good for the US and US companies.
 
It's not only that the Consumers decided to pay less. Short term Profits must go up and killing 100,000 of people due to unemployment is okay . So it goes.




*And yes when unemployment goes up by certain amount of points it does kill a lot of people . Sociology tidbit there
 

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