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Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (6 Viewers)

bergs said:
Everyone realizes that the cards mold chips are fucking ceramic right? They’re not even clay. Put them in a rack and they stand out pretty quick. Handle them and it’s intuitively obvious.

Yet peolle we’re ok green lighting a NAGB set that was so close to the real WSOP secondary limit sets that it would’ve been really difficult to tell from a rack and probably impossible in a stack while shuffling as they were actual GPI clays.

I wonder how much of this is people with clay set equivalents who paid too much worrying about their downside if they sell with knockoffs satisfying some of the buying demand.

Outside of that, some of y’all are just taking this shit way too seriously.
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I’m with you for the first part of this; comparing all of my Paulson chips of every condition to the cards mold the difference in look and feel is blatantly obvious. I imagine the cage inspects chips enough to notice the difference in color/look/feel?
 
bergs said:
I’ve cleared chips to play with in a home game, brought them back to the poker cashier cage, and been called out for cleaning them. They definitely notice unless they’re brand new with no backup or they don’t follow standard cashier practices.
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What if you sat down at a table and started introducing them slowly. From pics it looks like some casinos mix clay and ceramics in the same denom.

What about high denom tourney chips?

Its not like counterfeiters haven't gotten away using far worse replicas.
 
For this to become a problem it only takes a few morons to try it. No need for them to be successful. Think the casinos will shrug off the copies? "Player and dealers will have no problem determining these are a different material than the regular chips, no biggie".
 
grantc54 said:
What if you sat down at a table and started introducing them slowly. From pics it looks like some casinos mix clay and ceramics in the same denom.

What about high denom tourney chips?

Its not like counterfeiters haven't gotten away using far worse replicas.
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IN PLAY i think there is pretty close to zero chance these chips passing for the real deal.
 
Marius L said:
but a dealer?
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Oh yeah, you guys are right about that. I don’t think ceramic counterfeits of any high denom would pass much scrutiny from casino personnel. I’m just saying if we’re having this conversation, let’s not pretend the average player would notice. For whatever that’s worth.
 
grantc54 said:
Can't disagree more. New CM chips feel and look very similar to RHC as it stands. ......
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Umm No
Ceramic chips do not look or feel like compression molded chips at all.

Not at all saying I am in favor of a TinaHC or TinaRHC, but there is a discernable difference and I doubt that someone in China producing a somewhat believable knockoff will put GPI out of business.

I don't really like it either, but I am guessing that long after the fake Paulsons are made we will all still be here some saying fake shit is great and others bitchin about how terrible it is.
 
cpac54 said:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. While I can see the appeal of fully customizable cards mold or custom mold chips at dirt cheap prices, I can’t fathom why anyone would want fake THC or RHC mold chips.
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Same reasons some people will wear a fake Rolex and others will chastise those that do.
 
Nanook said:
Same reasons some people will wear a fake Rolex and others will chastise those that do.
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I also can’t fathom why anyone would buy a knock-off watch, or handbag or anything else for that matter.

There’s nothing wrong with not being able to afford certain things (or just not wanting to spend money on them, even if you have the means). Wear the cheapest Timex money can buy or cards mold chips; I won’t think any more or less of you. Wear a fake Rolex or buy fake Paulsons? Yeah, you’re wack.
 
cpac54 said:
I also can’t fathom why anyone would buy a knock-off watch, or handbag or anything else for that matter.

There’s nothing wrong with not being able to afford certain things (or just not wanting to spend money on them, even if you have the means). Wear the cheapest Timex money can buy or cards mold chips; I won’t think any more or less of you. Wear a fake Rolex or buy fake Paulsons? Yeah, you’re wack.
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I’d say I agree…but I also own Fakeshores :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

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Nobody buying these is trying to pass them off as Paulsons, not here and probably not even in their home game with non-chippers.

It’s probably the only way I’m ever going to have something that looks like a full set of PNYs or Vineyards at this point.

If people can’t deal with that and want to ship me $12K for a Paulson Vineyard set, I’m happy to oblige.
 
bergs said:
Nobody buying these is trying to pass them off as Paulsons, not here and probably not even in their home game with non-chippers.

It’s probably the only way I’m ever going to have something that looks like a full set of PNYs or Vineyards at this point.

If people can’t deal with that and want to ship me $12K for a Paulson Vineyard set, I’m happy to oblige.
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I don’t think anyone is judging you for the Cards mold pNY set.

I think it’s becoming clear that fake THC RHC MOLDS would probably be a bad idea.
 
Colquhoun said:
Fake Rolexes or knockoff handbags isn’t the same analogy, imo
I don’t think the people buying cards molds are trying to pass off to everyone else that they have the real thing.
But I could be wrong, maybe that’s the intention of some…
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Maybe, maybe not. I do think there is, at the very least, many similarities in the two hobbies.

In the watch collecting world there are those that hate the idea of replica watches and there are others that love it. There are also some that modify or put together high quality watches without trying to imitate or replicate a specific brand or model.

Mostly no one cares about what sort of watch you wear just like mostly no one cares about what sort of poker chips you play with. In both hobbies there is a very small minority that is willing to pay a large premium for very specific branding or models and in both hobbies there are a lot of people that wished they could have something that is relatively very expensive. Both hobbies are filled with people that are collecting something where the most coveted items offers almost no additional utility over an extremely cheap alternative.

Lots of similarities. No doubt, some differences too
 
Johnblue said:
I don’t think anyone is judging you for the Cards mold pNY set.

I think it’s becoming clear that fake THC RHC MOLDS would probably be a bad idea.
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Judging is the wrong word. People are gonna buy what they want and it's nobody else's business. But the original question here was are cards mold replicas good for the hobby. Let's not move the goalposts and focus on the proposed hat and cane replicas, because it's easier for everybody to agree.
 
How many times do you have to play with cards mold sets for them to become slippery? Is shuffling being factored in? I don't host a lot throughout the year. My players don't know how to shuffle. I don't have to shuffle myself.

I buy enough of them and rotate them , I'm hoping to get many many years out of them.
 
Nanook said:
Maybe, maybe not. I do think there is, at the very least, many similarities in the two hobbies.

In the watch collecting world there are those that hate the idea of replica watches and there are others that love it. There are also some that modify or put together high quality watches without trying to imitate or replicate a specific brand or model.

Mostly no one cares about what sort of watch you wear just like mostly no one cares about what sort of poker chips you play with. In both hobbies there is a very small minority that is willing to pay a large premium for very specific branding or models and in both hobbies there are a lot of people that wished they could have something that is relatively very expensive. Both hobbies are filled with people that are collecting something where the most coveted items offers almost no additional utility over an extremely cheap alternative.

Lots of similarities. No doubt, some differences too
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It also reminds me of guitars. Both Gibson and Epiphone (owned by Gibson) make Les Paul guitars. The Epihone Les Paul is the Chinese version of the USA Gibson, and can be about 10%-25% of the cost. At first glance, they are the same, except for the headstock shape and the logo placed on it.

They each have their place and appeal to different groups.

On the Les Paul forums, occasionally someone will post photos of their "conversion", re-cutting the Epiphone headstock to a Gibson one, and putting a Gibson logo on it. It gets very, VERY ugly from there...
 
Hot Nuts said:
How many times do you have to play with cards mold sets for them to become slippery? Is shuffling being factored in? I don't host a lot throughout the year. My players don't know how to shuffle. I don't have to shuffle myself.

I buy enough of them and rotate them , I'm hoping to get many many years out of them.
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I’m wondering the same about the slipperiness. I have a set of NCC cards molds that I’ve put into play on average once per month (4-8h per session) for almost a whole year and I haven’t noticed much of a difference.
 

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