detroitdad
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I like @Marc Hedrick philosophy. If he takes 300 bucks to a cash game and comes home with 150. He is a 150 winner on the night!
Our work game has always had a short 2-2.5 hr tournament and then cash afterwards for the rest of the night. Agreed on the 6 players for a cash game but that’s only if they are all committed to stay. I don’t mind if we end up with 6 at 2am, but starting w 6 is not a good recipe for us.If you are wanting to run just a cash game, you could get away with as little as 6. You might think about running limit if your numbers are that low since limit encourages smaller bankroll swings and keeps players around longer.
Tournaments, I agree with 10 being a good number but even then I'd still play with 6-8 if the possibility of a cash game after was present.
Couple thoughts and questions based on your response. All good, by the way. You can definitely make this happen.
I look at poker nights like this: unless I scoop 1st or have a resoundingly good night at the cash table, I'm in the red for the day no matter what - and, truthfully I don't care. What I get out of the experience is a nice time with good people that isn't yelling over bad music at a bar (fun times, mind you) or doing some other humdrum nonsense. I can cook for friends, enjoy their company, joke, and drink and life is good. We get to play games with some degree of skill and risk involved and the type of people I have over are both aggressive in their competitiveness and are not short on intellect. Honestly, I'm the dumbest guy in the room almost every time (a good place to be in life, if you want to keep accelerating upward - I digress...) It doesn't mean I'm the worst poker player in the room, though - and there's the rub - which brings me to my next point:
See if you can find ways to stroke people's ego a little. In my case, for a lot of players, it's legitimately teaching them new games and letting them suck out bad beats on each other and drink as much as they want while doing it. Sometimes they bet each other's hats and sunglasses. Sometimes the loser has to eat a soggy potato chip that fell on the floor. Whatever. It's hilarious. If you let people be themselves, if that's nitty, loudmouthed, quiet and aggressive, short stacked-with-a-prayer-who-sometimes-wins-it-all, they want to come and do that and they'll play poker to let it happen.
Additionally, I offer things like side action on sports or low entry box pools. If there's a high profile event on, I'm getting people some easy action that. It worked out during one tournament we had, guys busted out, but they hit the box pool and won back a non-trivial portion of their buy-in. And they got to watch the game and get rowdy while we were all chucking cards (and getting rowdy at the game, too!).
You mentioned bad beats: run a bad beat jackpot! That's how hosts keep people's butt in chairs in casino poker rooms, too. Now, you're not raking so how do you run it? You can collect ~$2 from everybody when they show up and say it's for the bad beat of the night, winner (or loser haha) take all. If you have a few bucks to spare, buy a bottle of booze and say bad beat leaves with this beauty (I bet you that guy cracks it on the spot and gives everybody a nightcap because he's having a blast). If it doesn't hit with a qualifying bad beat, you give it to high hand of the night. Either way, it could possibly be one of these guys who got stacked early but he actually ran good a few rounds and collected that side pot. Some nights it goes to the guy who walks with all the dough. So be it.
Glad you guys had a good time!Another poker night in the books...therefore, another report to share.
We had 11 people for the $20+$5 bounty tournament. It's the same turbo format and we squeezed everyone at one table. Nothing really to report except it was unpredictable just like every tournament we have. My friend that won was down to one chip and made a huge comeback.
Cash - that's where things are always interesting. There were a couple of new faces, related to the hosts. I figured this would ensure that we wouldn't end early. Same game format...$40 buy-in $0.25/$0.50 NL Holdem, Omaha, O8 and Big O (with a couple more games added in as players left). We started with 10 players. We did lose players slowly during the night mainly due more to losing their original $40 buy in more so than it just being late. There are a few of us that will keep buying in no matter what (if needed) but most are set at their original $40. In some hands, I secretly cringe when one of the one buy-in players are all in...I'm just hoping they win (unless it's against me) because I know we're going to lose a player if they lose. For the most part, those players survived much of the night with one busting out every hour or two to keep us going to about 3AM where we had 5 players left. I, of all people, had to call the game end since i wanted to wake up at somewhat of a reasonable hour. 9 hrs of poker....I'll call that a win.
It was interesting that we played Big O almost exclusively all night for cash. That was a first. it was dealers choice from the list but no one every changed. Everyone enjoyed it for a change and everyone is learning how to play it better now that we keep playing the same games instead of playing the crazy games of our early days. I also still feel like if many get busted quick, we're going to be short quick and the night will end early... The main thing that holds us together is to always have the 4 main players and always start with 10-11 players...that usually keeps us going in some capacity until at least 2AM.
I will have to say that I'm actually preferring this poker night now over my other regular NLHE game....or lets say its a nice change of pace. We actually play poker now rather than screw around. We don't have to explain rules all of the time, try to figure out what game we are playing, or worry about who didn't pay their ante. And we're playing Omaha versions. So much more thinking and chaos in that game... A real challenge.
This one is called regularly in my dealers choice games. It's the only wild card game we play.Follow the Queen
Limit poker allows new players some time to learn the game without the prospect of getting stacked in one hand.
I'm trying to figure out how to introduce limit as well in a cash rotation. I don't know what will peel people away from the volatility of NLHE. It's 100% a product of the poker boom. If it's not fit for TV how could it possibly be fit to play in any way, shape, or form, right? (n) :thumbsdown:
I'm trying to figure out how to introduce limit as well in a cash rotation. I don't know what will peel people away from the volatility of NLHE. It's 100% a product of the poker boom. If it's not fit for TV how could it possibly be fit to play in any way, shape, or form, right? (n) :thumbsdown:
Just read this thread. First observation is that I’m am shocked there are that many people left that prefer wild card poker. I haven’t played in a game like that since 1998. With the poker boom I figured everyone was converted to straight poker.
Also, as I have said many times before, the biggest threat to the continued popularity of cash poker is the adoption of no limit vs limit since ~2004-2005. People played limit holdem for 100 years without complaining but now somehow it’s “boring”. Ridiculous. People just need to learn how to play it properly.
Getting new players to play cash was far easier when limit poker was the norm. I wish I could get my guys to play it but I can’t.... even though it all but destroyed our regular weekly game many years ago. Guys all sudden could only show up every month if that.
Limit poker allows new players some time to learn the game without the prospect of getting stacked in one hand.
I'm trying to figure out how to introduce limit as well in a cash rotation. I don't know what will peel people away from the volatility of NLHE. It's 100% a product of the poker boom. If it's not fit for TV how could it possibly be fit to play in any way, shape, or form, right? (n) :thumbsdown:
Limit doesn't have to mean small money.
I have a nickel ante (or nickel-dime blind depending on the game) dealer's choice game with my uncles but we do play Omaha hi low split with .25-.50 limit.
I think doubling the blinds gets you a similar game size. So if you are used to .25-.50 nl, make the blinds .5-1 and play 1/2 limit, for example.
But it's tough, there's just so little interest in anything that's not nlhe as seen on TV.
I feel the same way about limit versus NL, except IMO, it's not about the volatility of NLHE. In fact, it's the opposite. NLHE is not volatile enough.
EDIT: Don't forget Draw variants. Especially with three drawing rounds, they can be big action games, and everyone is familiar with Five Card Draw.
Right. This is the mathematically correct observation about NLHE, but the counterintuitive perception from the players who crave action or excitement or "danger" or whatever or think they're somehow more skilled when they, to use a MMA analogy, can flash KO someone instead of picking them apart with technique and a good ground game. I get wanting to play for stacks: it makes the winner feel like a boss. It makes the loser want to flip the table - especially, and most importantly, when there's a major suckout or a weaker player is chasing a beat draw to someone's made hand. There's no lesson there. The lesson is "don't play NLHE with this jerk" instead of "maybe don't call down to the river with 3 to a flush and middle pair when he's been betting the whole time". In limit, that's a slap on the wrist and useful information. In No Limit, you're already in the kitchen looking for your next beer before you catch a cab home.
Ironically, we play a lot of badugi. And, against my requests, most people want to play pot limit! It's madness. I'm probably going to insist we play limit badugi next time, but we'll see how hammered the crew is by the time the cash game gets going - it may be moot at that stage.
Badugi is a blast pot-limit, with the right crew. It's generally better fixed-limit, though.
She was dead serious and threatened to involve law enforcement.
On another note, I think the main thing that gets people a little off their game, and I'll admit I introduced the circus games poorly when we first played, was just not knowing the rules. I had sent A LOT of information about the formats ahead of time, but I realized nobody read that crap. So, now, I'm going to make it clear what we're playing ahead of time in a simple way (I sent a poll, everybody can see the results - total transparency) and I'm going to keep the rules cards right on the table so if someone forgets the betting rules, for example, they can just fold a hand and look at that real quick instead of stopping the game and frustrating people.
We had another poker night this past Friday and I would consider it a success. Our own @Jonesey07 was able to join us for the event and he brought a few poker chips (used as card protectors) that I had never seen in person. Aurora Start sample set...awesome set!
We started out with 10 players for the "turbo" NLHE tournament paying 3 players...and nothing really to speak of as far as issues, etc...our normal tournament. Jonesey07 did have a nice river card which vaulted him into a cashing
Two players parted after the tournament which left us with 8. We played O8 and BigO mostly...but also worked in other games on the list like 7 stud, Holdem and Kings and Littles (5 card draw with wilds) as the night moved on. Going back to Holdem after playing O8 and BigO is definitely...well...kind of boring. The pots are so much smaller and less players play through showdown. If you were up or down playing the Hi/Lo games, it makes it really tough to make a recovery after switching to holdem....or even Stud. It seems like everyone is finally accustomed to and enjoying the cash game format. Jonesey07 was a nice addition...he playes more aggressive than some players are accustomed to which made a noticeable change to the cash game. There were several times that he made all in moves and the more it happened, the table dynamic shifted to larger bets and more aggression...following his lead. There are a few of the regs that play aggressive but now with and added aggressor, the change was defintely noticeable. We've come a long way from our old $5-$6 limit pots with some at $60-80 now. We started at 7PM and ended after 2AM so no complaints here.
I just want to say thanks to all that have contributed to this thread. I'm actually liking this game better than my other weekly pure NLHE game that I once opted for and its much easier for new players to join in and enjoy the cash game. All good!
Seven players max for SOHE.
I was just thinking about this while walking the dog the other day. The cash game following my tournament is a $.25/$.50 game where we play a bunch of different games. I printed and laminated @abby99 cards, and I put them out for guys who want to look for new games to play. its a lot of fun, but we routinely will have 5 guys out of 15+ tournament players stay. Usually the guys that stay are pretty solid players, but with playing so many different games, nobody is an expert.
I was thinking, in an effort to get more guys to stay and see how much fun it is, make the next cash game a $.25/$.25 FIXED LIMIT night. That way guys that want to sit down with $25 are still getting 50 big bets and could hang around for a while to experience the madness.
Has anybody taken that route before?
I thought is was common practice to sit down with 660 big bets?Once a year we do a "special format" night, to change it up from NLHE tournaments. The cash game (.05/.10 at one table and .25/.25 at the other) intimidated a few players, so the next time we did limit - .50/$1 at one table and .75/$1.50 at the other. The Limit game went over far better with the casual players, even though one player bought in with $1000 (Yeah, I had the chips to cover a single $1000 buy-in at a .75/$1.50 limit game). :
I was thinking, in an effort to get more guys to stay and see how much fun it is, make the next cash game a $.25/$.25 FIXED LIMIT night. That way guys that want to sit down with $25 are still getting 50 big bets and could hang around for a while to experience the madness.