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[Taghkanic]

Unethical does not equal cheat though.

It’s a prerequisite for cheating, though.

 

[Taghkanic]

Your analogy is like saying people that run red lights are more likely to commit multiple homicides.

Good point, actually... I’d bet there have been studies that do say something like this: that those who commit petty offenses are in fact more likely to commit much more serious ones, compared with those who never even commit minor ones.

Doesn’t mean that everyone who runs a red light is a murderer. But it gets them in the conversation.

 

[Taghkanic]

I'm actually surprised that more people aren't discussing the possibility of her catching a glimpse of his cards from the dealer's pitch. She very easily could have seen just enough of his cards to know that he was dealt two small black cards at the very least, and possibly even two small clubs. She'd only need about a 5 degree angle or so to pick up on that. It's not like the cards would have to completely flash. When I used to train dealers back in the day, I was constantly getting on them about this. It's way more common than most players realize. Maybe they're just not paying attention, but it doesn't take much to at least be able to tell if someone was just dealt a face card or if they were just dealt a small red card or a medium black card even if you don't know exactly what it was.

If Robbi knew that Garrett had two small black cards in this hand, that would be enough info for her to make the call. Perhaps this is actually why she was so hung up on the 3h turn card. Maybe she was tryhzng to figure out if Garrett actually had the 3c, knowing he had two smallish clubs or two smallish black cards?

Berkey was making this point last night... While he thinks these streaming games need to really tighten up there technology, he now favors a much more basic explanation — that Robbi got perfect or near-perfect information on this one hand only.

(Rather than having some elaborate hack in place, requiring lots of technological skills and multiple co-conspirators.)

Additionally, Berkey and others have pointed to evidence that she and Rip were signaling or mouthing things to each other during hands. He was wondering whether HCL saves the feeds from all its cameras, or if they are using a broadcast-only system (where only the shots selected for broadcast are recorded).


P.S. There are lots and lots of female poker pros who have now rejected the knee-jerk, shallow accusations of sexism against Garrett, and who have agreed that the hand is bizarre at best, highly suspect at worst.

 

[Taghkanic]

t is very much true that nobody makes that call without knowing their opponents cards. If you think this is just what donkeys do sometimes, then you don't know how donkeys play. Nobody makes this call. Nobody. Ever. Not without information. Unless they simply just have no idea whatsoever about how to play poker. Robbi might be new to poker, but she isn't new enough.

1) This again raises the underlying question — why is someone backing Robbi in a nosebleed game vs. the likes of Ivey and Adelstein for a quarter million if she is inexperienced... bordering on incompetent?

If she is in fact that bad, Rip would do better to go over to any 2/5 table, watch an hour of orbits, and back whoever seems like the most solid player.


2) Another nugget from the Berkey podcast: Rip reportedly bought in very short, for maybe $100K, while giving Robbi $250K.

And giving her a 50% fre roll on her winnings (i.e. she doesn't have to pay him back if she loses, but gets half of anything she wins).

Moreover, there is some evidence that Rip is not terribly well off, and probably does not have the bankroll for this game... which suggests that he in turn has backers.


Such claims don't prove anything per se, but they do add to the oddness of the whole situation if correct. It all still seems like a major outlier from normal behavior.

 

[TheDuke]

In addition, even with her updated Hendon Mob, she has a number of 1st-3rd finishes and has been coached multiple sessions by Faraz Jakka

So claiming she's brand new seems a stretch

https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=169784

Hendon Mob info originally dated to 2010, then 2015, and now updated to just 2021. So she has less than 1 year of documented tourney experience now?

No, she's not brand new to poker. But claiming she knows what she's doing at a nosebleed cash game is an even bigger stretch.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I think the bickering in this thread is really tearing apart our community, and we need something to bring us back together.

To that end, I'd like to invite everyone to join the discussion I just started on boat chips and secret group buys.

It is time to heal, PCF.

 

[Josh Kifer]

I think the bickering in this thread is really tearing apart our community, and we need something to bring us back together.

To that end, I'd like to invite everyone to join the discussion I just started on boat chips and secret group buys.

It is time to heal, PCF.

All the healing and table assholery we need

Spoiler: The truth

 

[RadicusScout]

I think the bickering in this thread is really tearing apart our community, and we need something to bring us back together.

To that end, I'd like to invite everyone to join the discussion I just started on boat chips and secret group buys.

It is time to heal, PCF.

All the healing and table assholery we need

I sense collusion between @Schmendr1ck and @Josh Kifer to drag the thread count to the under.

I'm reporting you both.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Hendon Mob info originally dated to 2010, then 2015, and now updated to just 2021. So she has less than 1 year of documented tourney experience now?

No, she's not brand new to poker. But claiming she knows what she's doing at a nosebleed cash game is an even bigger stretch.

She has multiple final tables and 1st-3rd finishes. So it's hard to believe she's so fucking dumb that she thinks Jack-high is ever a call in this spot trying to pick off a bluff

 

[bergs]

She has multiple final tables and 1st-3rd finishes. So it's hard to believe she's so fucking dumb that she thinks Jack-high is ever a call in this spot trying to pick off a bluff

BUT IT WORKED (lolol)

 

[Eriks]

I think the bickering in this thread is really tearing apart our community, and we need something to bring us back together.

To that end, I'd like to invite everyone to join the discussion I just started on boat chips and secret group buys.

It is time to heal, PCF.

It’s unreal how gullible I am. Every. Fking. Time.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

It’s unreal how gullible I am. Every. Fking. Time.

I have finally learned. Pretty sure I know what that link is...

 

[RainmanTrail]

1) This again raises the underlying question — why is someone backing Robbi in a nosebleed game vs. the likes of Ivey and Adelstein for a quarter million if she is inexperienced... bordering on incompetent?

I think it's as simple as wanting to be on the live stream and wanting to get laid.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I think it's as simple as wanting to be on the live stream and wanting to get laid.

Ew...

 

[AWenger]

She has multiple final tables and 1st-3rd finishes. So it's hard to believe she's so fucking dumb that she thinks Jack-high is ever a call in this spot trying to pick off a bluff

Just FYI, per Faraz Jaka's twitter, that's not her:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576141823357390849

"I had never looked at her hendon mob, when I asked her about this she informed me all the results from 2015 to aug 12, 2021 are not her and someone named Robin from Sacramento area. @TheHendonMob plz fix/confirm for us"​

 

[Josh Kifer]

BUT IT WORKED (lolol)

She prob learned from some of my players.

 

[raynmanas]

Just FYI, per Faraz Jaka's twitter, that's not her:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576141823357390849

"I had never looked at her hendon mob, when I asked her about this she informed me all the results from 2015 to aug 12, 2021 are not her and someone named Robin from Sacramento area. @TheHendonMob plz fix/confirm for us"​

She checked her cards before calling so couldn't have misread" Talking to Robbie she told me she was only checking 1 card to see if her J was a club. She said she was confident he was bluffing because he would not shove w/ a big hand since she doesn't call light

Because she had the Jc she said this makes it less likely a club could come IF he had a draw. She thought she had J3 & decided to hero call w/ a pair of 3's. Keep in mind she's still in the process of learning to use blockers and when and how they apply

Garret asks if she has a small pair & she says no. My initial interpretation of this was that she thought he meant a pocket pair. I felt this because I've heard this same semantics error from newer players. When talking to Robbi about it she also confirmed she thought pocket pair

there's more, but this is the gist of it, and it all makes pretty reasonable sense to me. this has really felt all along like the biggest nothingburger.

 

[TheDuke]

She has multiple final tables and 1st-3rd finishes. So it's hard to believe she's so fucking dumb that she thinks Jack-high is ever a call in this spot trying to pick off a bluff

When you use the word multiple , you're using that word as opposed to single.

Meaning she has 2 final tables listed outside of her single 2nd and 3rd place finishes and 2 1st place finishes.

No wonder people backed her! What a pro!

 

[upNdown]

there's more, but this is the gist of it, and it all makes pretty reasonable sense to me. this has really felt all along like the biggest nothingburger.

Yeah, I don't like her. I think she's full of shit, I think she's sketchy and I'm jealous and annoyed that somebody with no experience and probably no money can train with a world class coach and sit at a high stakes table. As far as I can tell, she's got nothing but the boobs and the confidence. So yeah, I'm probably eager to believe the worst about her.
But looking at this from 20,000 feet, there's very little reason to say she cheated, except the ridiculous action.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Over the past couple of days,, I've been wondering where the heck you were headed.

Now I get it. Twisty road with uneven pavement, but in the end, it delivers -- well done. Real-life examples of shoe-on-other-foot syndrome usually work wonders.

Probably applies to 95%+ of the other 'she cheated' voters, too. Innocent until proven guilty, or at least have SOME evidence ffs.

@ekricket - a masterclass in trolling! Lol. Amazing.

You corralled @RainmanTrail perfectly.

A crazy showcase of how being accused of cheating with no actual evidence can cause the accused to say (post) complete nonsense.

Well played sir. You're like Matlock.

Bad read. This is not some elaborate trap set by kricket attempting to troll me or to "teach me a lesson" about accusing others of cheating. If you buy this, it's no wonder you think Robbi's call is just another random hand, the likes of which you've "seen much worse". Everything he wrote was his real-time, honest assessment. He legitimately believes that there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about Robbi's call, and he legitimately believes I'm a cheater. This is not a "haha gotcha! See what I did there?" moment.

 

[umbkcshah]

2) Another nugget from the Berkey podcast: Rip reportedly bought in very short, for maybe $100K, while giving Robbi $250K.

And giving her a 50% fre roll on her winnings (i.e. she doesn't have to pay him back if she loses, but gets half of anything she wins).

Moreover, there is some evidence that Rip is not terribly well off, and probably does not have the bankroll for this game... which suggests that he in turn has backers.

Just correcting this. 70k Rip and 100k Robbi... So not that extreme. She had a second bullet off to the side that she gave to Garrett.

 

[TheDuke]

Bad read. This is not some elaborate trap set by kricket attempting to troll me or to "teach me a lesson" about accusing others of cheating. If you buy this, it's no wonder you think Robbi's call is just another random hand, the likes of which you've "seen much worse". Everything he wrote was his real-time, honest assessment. He legitimately believes that there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about Robbi's call, and he legitimately believes I'm a cheater. This is not a "haha gotcha! See what I did there?" moment.

Just admit he got the better of you. He's the resident troll of PCF for sure but he got you good. Man up.

He teed you up like the prototypical smug crook on some formulaic prime time crime saga and you fell for it. The one who thinks he's better and smarter than everyone and then gets bamboozled at the end.

You started wailing about nonsense and grudges from years past. And even a PM plea to play nice.

It was perfect. Calm down Ronni RainmanTrail. Not everyone thinks you're a cheater without any evidence.

 

[RainmanTrail]

there's more, but this is the gist of it, and it all makes pretty reasonable sense to me. this has really felt all along like the biggest nothingburger.

He conveniently leaves out the very next question she's asked though, and changes the wording of the first "do you have a pair?" question. She was not asked, "do you have a pair?". She was asked, "do you have a pair of 3s?" to which she responded, "no". Then a second player chimed in immediately after to clarify and asked, "do you have a 3?" [with a vocal emphasis on the "a 3" part], to which she again answers, "no".

This, combined with her staring at her hand for about 15 seconds prior to answering the questions and prior to making the call is why people don't believe that she misread her hand.

Also, Faraz is in about as biased of a position as anyone could possibly be in with respect to this conversation. A) She's paying him money, and B) the value/reputation of his coaching abilities is somewhat on the line here.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Just admit he got the better of you. He's the resident troll of PCF for sure but he got you good. Man up.

He teed you up like the prototypical smug crook on some formulaic prime time crime saga and you fell for it. The one who thinks he's better and smarter than everyone and then gets bamboozled at the end.

You started wailing about nonsense and grudges from years past. And even a PM plea to play nice.

It was perfect. Calm down Ronni RainmanTrail. Not everyone thinks you're a cheater without any evidence.

Like with every take you've had in this entire thread, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree one more time. It is my viewpoint that you don't read these sorts of situations well. And that's OK. I don't require my friends to agree with me. I only require that they not shit on me. But once someone starts shitting on me, I shit back.

 

[raynmanas]

He conveniently leaves out the very next question she's asked though, and changes the wording of the first "do you have a pair?" question. She was not asked, "do you have a pair?". She was asked, "do you have a pair of 3s?" to which she responded, "no". Then a second player chimed in immediately after to clarify and asked, "do you have a 3?" [with a vocal emphasis on the "a 3" part], to which she again answers, "no".

no he doesn't - garrett asked if she had a small pair after the first river already came down, but the conversation about 3s came before the first river.

and i don't think she ever heard or acknowledged the 2nd player. she was still talking to the player who asked "you have pocket three?". here it is cued up:

much ado about nothing.

 

[RainmanTrail]

no he doesn't - garrett asked if she had a small pair after the first river already came down, but the conversation about 3s came before the first river.

and i don't think she ever heard or acknowledged the 2nd player. she was still talking to the player who asked "you have pocket three?". here it is cued up:

much ado about nothing.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. How does this work? Do I just send you back the same link as my rebuttal then?

 

[Eriks]

Finally got around to watching the hand. To me it seems obvious her justifications for the call are not genuine and just made up as she is questioned afterwards.

”I thought you had ace high?”
”So you call with jack high?”

”Well it’s not about what I have, it’s about what you don’t have”.

And then the blocker claim, trying to sound like she knows what she is talking about.

I don’t know, she’s either the dumbest fucking person to ever sit at a poker table or there’s something going on somehow. J-high+rag is the nut low hand that doesn’t have at least a straight draw. He has to have exactly 87/86/76 for her to be good. And there are way more drawing combos that beat her. It’s just uncallable.

And her reaction at the showdown is weird. If this was an actual soul read, wouldn’t she be triumphant in showing? ”Nine high like a boss”, kinda thing.

 

[raynmanas]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. How does this work? Do I just send you back the same link as my rebuttal then?

no, i believe they call this an impasse lol

though to add another wrinkle, i think the second guy actually said "if you got a three in your hand..." - not sure where he was going with it though because then she kept talking to the first guy

 

[raynmanas]

Finally got around to watching the hand. To me it seems obvious her justifications for the call are not genuine and just made up as she is questioned afterwards.

”I thought you had ace high?”
”So you call with jack high?”

”Well it’s not about what I have, it’s about what you don’t have”.

And then the blocker claim, trying to sound like she knows what she is talking about.

I don’t know, she’s either the dumbest fucking person to ever sit at a poker table or there’s something going on somehow. J-high+rag is the nut low hand that doesn’t have at least a straight draw. He has to have exactly 87/86/76 for her to be good. And there are way more drawing combos that beat her. It’s just uncallable.

And her reaction at the showdown is weird. If this was an actual soul read, wouldn’t she be triumphant in showing? ”Nine high like a boss”, kinda thing.

this again all points to her thinking she had a 3, then fumbling her story trying to cover up misreading her hand after the fact and not look like the complete moron she seems to be.

 

[Sprouty]

once someone starts shitting on me, I shit back.

So....

Welcome to the shit show?