You literally accused him of possibly being a thief
I think I'm out, guys (Casino Cancun drama advice requested) (2 Viewers)
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You literally accused him of possibly being a thief
saleen121212
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True and if he didn't do anything wrong we shouldn't be grabbing pitch forks and shoving a new member out the door. We should be coming up with peaceful resolution and im starting to think luv should be the one to decide on what that is. If he wants to send half the chips or some money thats more than you had yesterday. If he wants infinite good standings and chip karma and to be the hero he could send it all back. The other members on this forum shouldn't be the ones to decide how this goes down.
Damn, that’s was a lot to read for an uneducated person that doesn’t have a college degree!!! Lol...
Sorry just trying to lighten the mood a bit...
I might have been one of the 1st few people to see/know about these chips making their way to @davin in the beginning but as promised I have never said 1word about it {like a Vault Brother}. I saw pics of the chips and the boxes with the green writing and was aware of the 1st shipment that had went missing. I have never meet davin in person but consider him to be a friend as I do several others on this site. I believe him to be an honest chipper and an all around good guy. This is not an attach on @luv2breformed at all... your just caught up in a bad situation. I can completely understand you wanting to keep a deal of a lifetime chip purchase/find....these deals don’t happen very often for many of us and we are always happy for the chippers that it does happen too... Unfortunately with the information given I do believe that these are the chips that went missing... I’m not privy to or remember if the package was insured by whom or if anyone received payment due to any insurance that might have paid out, but depending on that info I’m sure this whole thing can be worked out. I Mean maybe you all can split the chips between the 3 of y’all unless someone received an insurance check for reimbursement? If someone did receive the funds from insurance then 2 of you can split the chips. That way @luv2breformed can get those good nights of sleep back and still feel good about getting some great chips for $50 and continue to be a member and @davin and his Friend can get something back that they lost and probably would never get back. As of right now the one person that has all the chips and didn’t really do anything wrong can’t sleep and feels sick about the deal and if he keeps the chips I’m sure he won’t really ever feel good about them every time he looks at the damn things and the others are still out $ & chips. So let’s just split this
oop: up!!! You guys could still pursue the actual criminal that stole them in the 1st place, which by the way is purchasing a few crack rocks for that big $50 and feeling pretty good somewhere while a few really good people are pissed at each other for doing nothing wrong. 
Sorry just trying to lighten the mood a bit...
I might have been one of the 1st few people to see/know about these chips making their way to @davin in the beginning but as promised I have never said 1word about it {like a Vault Brother}. I saw pics of the chips and the boxes with the green writing and was aware of the 1st shipment that had went missing. I have never meet davin in person but consider him to be a friend as I do several others on this site. I believe him to be an honest chipper and an all around good guy. This is not an attach on @luv2breformed at all... your just caught up in a bad situation. I can completely understand you wanting to keep a deal of a lifetime chip purchase/find....these deals don’t happen very often for many of us and we are always happy for the chippers that it does happen too... Unfortunately with the information given I do believe that these are the chips that went missing... I’m not privy to or remember if the package was insured by whom or if anyone received payment due to any insurance that might have paid out, but depending on that info I’m sure this whole thing can be worked out. I Mean maybe you all can split the chips between the 3 of y’all unless someone received an insurance check for reimbursement? If someone did receive the funds from insurance then 2 of you can split the chips. That way @luv2breformed can get those good nights of sleep back and still feel good about getting some great chips for $50 and continue to be a member and @davin and his Friend can get something back that they lost and probably would never get back. As of right now the one person that has all the chips and didn’t really do anything wrong can’t sleep and feels sick about the deal and if he keeps the chips I’m sure he won’t really ever feel good about them every time he looks at the damn things and the others are still out $ & chips. So let’s just split this
oop: up!!! You guys could still pursue the actual criminal that stole them in the 1st place, which by the way is purchasing a few crack rocks for that big $50 and feeling pretty good somewhere while a few really good people are pissed at each other for doing nothing wrong. 
Anthony Martino
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I think @luv2breformed specifically asked us to be involved though. The problem is that his poll only has two options, with only one of them "winning" in each scenario. There needs to be a mutual ground where both parties give a little
Let's all keep this post in mind before we say for sure the chips were stolen. This seems like something that could legitimately have happened, since @davin has already said they were marked as a gift (though I'm not sure if the proper value was placed on the package)
speaking solely for myself...........i know i'm more opinionated about this because the chips are pretty spectacular.....i doubt i'd care this much if they weren't as epic. Same scenario with bunch of starburst??...whatever....
ekricket
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Could these have ended up in some sort of “dead letter” area and sold st salvage? Then the salvage person sold them to luv?
Unless Tommy's conjecture is correct that the box was somehow lost by either the carrier or customs, unable to be identified, and sold off as a result, it's absolutely clear that these chips are stolen property.
It's equally clear that luv2breformed has not committed any crime.
The loss to Davin is undoubtedly not large enough to make it worth the legal fees required to pursue an investigation and recover the chips through the legal system.
@luv2breformed: Dude, I think your conduct has been pathetic and despicable, from the point of your initial reluctance to reveal your seller's information onward. Hell, any decent person would have been feeling guilty in the first place about taking advantage of the seller by paying $50 for $2K+ worth of chips. But your unrestrained avarice blinded you to the potential dangers of such a buy, and your reluctance to accept the evidence and lip service to "doing the right thing" reveal you to be awfully weak in the ethics and morals departments.
It's equally clear that luv2breformed has not committed any crime.
The loss to Davin is undoubtedly not large enough to make it worth the legal fees required to pursue an investigation and recover the chips through the legal system.
@luv2breformed: Dude, I think your conduct has been pathetic and despicable, from the point of your initial reluctance to reveal your seller's information onward. Hell, any decent person would have been feeling guilty in the first place about taking advantage of the seller by paying $50 for $2K+ worth of chips. But your unrestrained avarice blinded you to the potential dangers of such a buy, and your reluctance to accept the evidence and lip service to "doing the right thing" reveal you to be awfully weak in the ethics and morals departments.
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luv2breformed
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saleen121212
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OH I agree with giving feedback and advice, but I don't think we should demand anything or condemn anyone when the final outcome is settled.
chubbyone
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For real? GTFO. As was mentioned by luv, @navels is celebrated for all of his finds, as he should be. @luv2breformed acted as I assume the majority of us would have given how it all went down. At least initially. I see ZERO wrong with him being cautious in divulging info to Davin. How was he to know at that point?
This has been stated multiple times and I definitely agree he did nothing wrong & If davin paid for the chips in the beginning and was never reimbursed the picture evidence is pretty damn clear that the chips are the lost chips then just split them up between the 2 of you guys and y’all both win!!!
I don’t feel like either party should lose but I feel like you guys should get together and come to an agreement between the 2 of you away from the community. It’s up to you guys on how to make the deal good for both.
im waiting for that opportunity until then i just read comments
If he bought someone's wallet on eBay? THAT WOULD BE WEIRD.
I didn’t tell the truth then because it would hurt the other chips from moving if there was no 1’s I can honestly say that
If this was an item of sentimental value I'd probably feel inclined to sell the chips back so that I suffered no loss. But if the original buyer who didn't get is stuff is pretty much just buying to resell at a profit I'd have far less of an incentive to do anything. Judging from what is said it seems reasonable these could be the missing chips. But on the other hand if you buy something from abroad with the intention of selling them (I assume for profit) then the correct thing to do is to insure the shipment to the full value and get reimbursed when the item(s) doesn't show up. That should be no problem since no actual money was lost (after reimbursement) and there is no sentimental value attached to the goods (because why sell them if that was the case).
Best I can think of is 'original buyer' proves purchase price and offers that plus shipping (and maybe plus a finders fee) to the new owner. Or even agree to sell the chips off to market price and split the profit (i.e. neither get the chips, both get profit).
Not sure airing this in public is great, but for what it's worth; did I miss an offer from Davin on how to resolve this financially etc?
I’m sure that most would want to protect a chip source if we had the chance... no crime there... and I feel that once he has heard the opinions and advice from other members here and after seeing the pictures he wants to do the right thing... I don’t feel that he should be completely out of the good deal all together since I don’t think many here are finding him guilty of doing anything wrong... I feel like a lot of us need to lay back a bit and let them work it out.
Well, ain't that alittle shady....
Yeah, it prety much depends on the goods to be bought and the specific marketplace.
Buying poker chips on eBay isn't the same with buying bespoke wallets there, or buying Rolex watches from errant obvious criminals in the street.
Edit: That can determine the good faith (bona fide) of the buyer.
It's actually not a particularly good comparison for several reasons.
Trying not to take sides.. not that my opinion matters at all..
I’ve heard nothing but good things about Davin. He seems to have solid rep. but these posts kinda make me take pause. There are a number of inconsistencies, that have me flipping back and forth on my poll answer... the posts below were just a couple that came to mind.
chubbyone
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@davin what would you like to see done here?
Regardless of all the “you’re a terrible person if you keep them” posts, a la @pltrgyst, I think you’d have certainly paid 50 for these and celebrated had you found that deal. So in his situation, what’s your gut tell you you’d do?
And now, in your actual situation, Do you want all of these chips back to then resell? Do you think splitting them is fair? Do you think offering them to @luv2breformed @ your original per chip price makes you whole and still gets him a deal? Should he just keep them?
Regardless of all the “you’re a terrible person if you keep them” posts, a la @pltrgyst, I think you’d have certainly paid 50 for these and celebrated had you found that deal. So in his situation, what’s your gut tell you you’d do?
And now, in your actual situation, Do you want all of these chips back to then resell? Do you think splitting them is fair? Do you think offering them to @luv2breformed @ your original per chip price makes you whole and still gets him a deal? Should he just keep them?
John Conor
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I had a similar thought. What if the box seam split and the chips all came out. That packing job didn’t look great and even elicited a comment from Davin via text. Would they them go to lost and found or something before being auctioned off?
I posted over a year ago about a shipment I got from France. The package ripped open and I literally got a plastic bag of loose chips, repacked with French writing, in a new box with no bubble wrap or any protection. I imagine if some worker was pissed off or having a bad day, they might not have picked up all my stuff and reboxed it. 1000 chips crashing out of a poorly packed box is probably a shipping person’s worst nightmare, aside from having to pick the thing up and move it.
Just a thought based on my own experience. I think it needs to be found out where eBay seller acquired chips to begin with.
Also, if you’re going to steal from customs and risk your job, wouldn’t you steal something lighter/easier to ship. Perhaps something you though was worth more than $30 bucks.
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