Official PCF Whisk(e)y Thread (61 Viewers)

I see a lot of bourbon / American whiskey conversations on this thread and in culture. Have traditional scotches gone out of fashion?

I got introduced to whiskey by my dad who loved Johnnie Walker Black Label more than anything. It was always scotch for him. When he could afford it, he would sip on Blue Label.
Johnny Walker black lable is very good. Underrated in my opinion. Until the past year I have been mostly a scotch person. In my first home when my wife and I were very young, I wallpapered our basement bathroom with Johnny walker lables I steamed off of bottles I drank. I managed 3 laps around the top in the 10 years we lived there. I still enjoy red label on the rocks but nowhere near as good as the other options, particularly green label a d double black. But if it was good enough for Churchill it’s good enough for me.
 
Ok. Let’s talk whisk(e)y glasses. I have some very nice, heavy crystal rocks glasses for long, contemplative sessions and standard glencairns for tasting, but I’d like something in-between. Glencairns are pretty narrow and not as conducive to sitting and lounging. Nor can they accommodate ice. I’ve seen pics of wider glencairn-esque glasses that I think might fit the bill—anyone have something like that they recommend?
It sounds like you are prioritizing the overall Glass experience over the the tasting experience? Is that correct? Or are you looking for something that will enhance the nose and hit your tongue in a different way?

My system is similar to what you describe - I use glencairns for tasting and generally a heavy rocks glass with or without ice for longer sessions or if I were reading, wtching TV, playing poker etc. I have seen many of the "tasters" using tulip style stemware, which we have plenty of different varieties (I just dont know the traditional use of each)
 
Ok. Let’s talk whisk(e)y glasses. I have some very nice, heavy crystal rocks glasses for long, contemplative sessions and standard glencairns for tasting, but I’d like something in-between. Glencairns are pretty narrow and not as conducive to sitting and lounging. Nor can they accommodate ice. I’ve seen pics of wider glencairn-esque glasses that I think might fit the bill—anyone have something like that they recommend?
https://norlanglass.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOTZ5brV7gIVEtbACh0uPw4yEAAYASAAEgJHSPD_BwE

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Ok. Let’s talk whisk(e)y glasses. I have some very nice, heavy crystal rocks glasses for long, contemplative sessions and standard glencairns for tasting, but I’d like something in-between. Glencairns are pretty narrow and not as conducive to sitting and lounging. Nor can they accommodate ice. I’ve seen pics of wider glencairn-esque glasses that I think might fit the bill—anyone have something like that they recommend?

Glencairn. And that's it.

Sometimes, when it is a very special whisky, this one:

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So I sent a picture of my jumbled mess of a bar to a guy I coach hockey with (there's some decent bottles hidden in there).
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Then he sent a picture of his.
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I felt like I was showing up to an orgy with an innie.
That’s hysterical. Is that guy the retired NHL player that sometimes is at your games?
 
It sounds like you are prioritizing the overall Glass experience over the the tasting experience? Is that correct? Or are you looking for something that will enhance the nose and hit your tongue in a different way?

My system is similar to what you describe - I use glencairns for tasting and generally a heavy rocks glass with or without ice for longer sessions or if I were reading, wtching TV, playing poker etc. I have seen many of the "tasters" using tulip style stemware, which we have plenty of different varieties (I just dont know the traditional use of each)
I’m looking to chart a middle path: a glass that enhances the tasting/nosing, ala a tulip shape, but that is wider/bigger.

I agree with the premise of this article, but not the conclusion:
https://www.manmadediy.com/4854-why-i-m-quitting-the-glencairn-glass/?andro=1&ios=1&safari=1

Something like this, perhaps?:

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https://www.amazon.com/Experience-N...1612628891&sprefix=neat+gla&sr=8-4&th=1&psc=1


or this?:

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https://www.amazon.com/Glencairn-Cr...629136&sprefix=canadian+whi&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1
 
Just passed on a Parker’s Heritage. Haven’t really liked any Heaven Hill products so why would this be different especially at $350. $200 might have owned it.
 
Definitely not the NEAT glass, IMO. Maybe the second if you don’t want just a nice simple rocks glass.

I was gifted some Norlan glasses, and they are okay to nice. Not for ice though, and still not sure if I’d recommend them as a purchase. They do have some cool features, but are also super light and have a thick rim.
 
Ok. Let’s talk whisk(e)y glasses. I have some very nice, heavy crystal rocks glasses for long, contemplative sessions and standard glencairns for tasting, but I’d like something in-between. Glencairns are pretty narrow and not as conducive to sitting and lounging. Nor can they accommodate ice. I’ve seen pics of wider glencairn-esque glasses that I think might fit the bill—anyone have something like that they recommend?
Denver & Liely, you’ll thank me later.
 
Definitely not the NEAT glass, IMO. Maybe the second if you don’t want just a nice simple rocks glass.

I was gifted some Norlan glasses, and they are okay to nice. Not for ice though, and still not sure if I’d recommend them as a purchase. They do have some cool features, but are also super light and have a thick rim.

Alexi has also gone the custom glencairn route for his poker/game room.
 
Just passed on a Parker’s Heritage. Haven’t really liked any Heaven Hill products so why would this be different especially at $350. $200 might have owned it.
I picked up the newest release at $165. TBH, it would have to be a stunner to pay more.
 
Kind of a rambling question, but one I’ve been thinking about here:

At roughly what price range would people say that whiskeys start to go from okay to good? How much for something really good? How much to get something mind-blowing, if that really exists? And at what point does a big increase in price not really add more than marginal improvements in quality, or just reflect its scarcity/prestige value?

I ask because with many other products (say, bigscreen TVs) I find you don’t really get a major bump-up in improvement in quality/features unless you jump really high above the standard consumer grade. Like, $20,000+ instead of $2,000.

I’ve dabbled in the $100-$200 range with brown liquors, but most of my typical purchases are in the $40-$80 range, because of the sheer volume of whisky-bourbon-scotch we go through in my household. A $150 bottle is going to disappear as quickly as a $50 one. And I’ve certainly not spent, say, $500-$1,000 on a single bottle.

Just wondering when things get noticeably better compared to, say, something around $120, or if some of the really high end connoisseurship is more driven by trendiness/status/curiosity than trying to find something truly better.

To use a chipping analogy: The jump for my home game from dice chips/slugged chips to vintage ASMs was a giant leap. Then, stepping up to THC Starburst solids was another big improvement, though the bump was less gigantic than them move from Walmart plastics. (I’ve never owned ceramics, but my limited experience with them is that they are kind of midway between the two.)

As I started to collect other, more specialized and spotted Paulsons (RHCs from The Chip Room, PCRs, etc.), these improved the game in smaller differences of degree, or just suited my own taste better, rather than representing an actual jump in raw quality. Once you have Paulsons, IMHO, you’ve made it 95% of the way to the top (I know TRK owners disagree). To make one more leap forward, I need to finish up design on several milling/custom inlay jobs.

After that, there would be little more for me to do as far as big upgrades unless I stumbled on some true grail set, like the actual chips from the Mayfair Club in NYC or something (whose value would be more in their history than actual chip quality). I might start collecting other chipsets, or make a creative mixed Vegas set—but these would likely be lateral shifts, not vertical ones.

Not sure if I’m expressing this clearly... But before I go and splurge on a bottle with a price more piece of nice lighting or furniture (which I could enjoy for years, not just a few weeks or months), I’m wondering if people can be honest and talk about whether the ultrafancy stuff is truly a cut above, or if it’s more about experimentation, noticing slight differences, bragging rights, etc.
 
Kind of a rambling question, but one I’ve been thinking about here:

At roughly what price range would people say that whiskeys start to go from okay to good? How much for something really good? How much to get something mind-blowing, if that really exists? And at what point does a big increase in price not really add more than marginal improvements in quality, or just reflect its scarcity/prestige value?

I ask because with many other products (say, bigscreen TVs) I find you don’t really get a major bump-up in improvement in quality/features unless you jump really high above the standard consumer grade. Like, $20,000+ instead of $2,000.

I’ve dabbled in the $100-$200 range with brown liquors, but most of my typical purchases are in the $40-$80 range, because of the sheer volume of whisky-bourbon-scotch we go through in my household. A $150 bottle is going to disappear as quickly as a $50 one. And I’ve certainly not spent, say, $500-$1,000 on a single bottle.

Just wondering when things get noticeably better compared to, say, something around $120, or if some of the really high end connoisseurship is more driven by trendiness/status/curiosity than trying to find something truly better.

To use a chipping analogy: The jump for my home game from dice chips/slugged chips to vintage ASMs was a giant leap. Then, stepping up to THC Starburst solids was another big improvement, though the bump was less gigantic than them move from Walmart plastics. (I’ve never owned ceramics, but my limited experience with them is that they are kind of midway between the two.)

As I started to collect other, more specialized and spotted Paulsons (RHCs from The Chip Room, PCRs, etc.), these improved the game in smaller differences of degree, or just suited my own taste better, rather than representing an actual jump in raw quality. Once you have Paulsons, IMHO, you’ve made it 95% of the way to the top (I know TRK owners disagree). To make one more leap forward, I need to finish up design on several milling/custom inlay jobs.

After that, there would be little more for me to do as far as big upgrades unless I stumbled on some true grail set, like the actual chips from the Mayfair Club in NYC or something (whose value would be more in their history than actual chip quality). I might start collecting other chipsets, or make a creative mixed Vegas set—but these would likely be lateral shifts, not vertical ones.

Not sure if I’m expressing this clearly... But before I go and splurge on a bottle with a price more piece of nice lighting or furniture (which I could enjoy for years, not just a few weeks or months), I’m wondering if people can be honest and talk about whether the ultrafancy stuff is truly a cut above, or if it’s more about experimentation, noticing slight differences, bragging rights, etc.
The law of diminishing returns. I don't think any $60 bottle is twice as good as Eagle Rare at $30. Better and more interesting, yes. Twice the enjoyment, no. $60 to $100 is a tough range. $100 to $200 has some fantastic bottles, but are they twice to three times as good as ECBP? Nope. Over $200 and the price becomes part of the experience. Only bring them out for special occasions to celebrate and make an already great experience even better. And, don't get me started about allocated on secondary! Tasted blind, a lot of $300 to $1000 bottles don't measure up. If its flavor you're seeking, you should be able to find great bottles under $60.
 

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