Official PCF Whisk(e)y Thread (47 Viewers)

[JustDave]

So what do you suggest? This was sweet and smooth and easy to drink, but didn't have much character. There was nothing wrong with it, but it's not anything I would go out of my way to drink. The guy who brought it said it was $40. Off the top of my head I can think of 10 bottles at that price or less that are considerably better. Bourbons and Ryes.

proper no 12 is missing a lot of the traditional irish characteristics

irish is normally vanilla, butter, sweet, light, not a ton of body. something that is frequently associated with irish whiskey is 'short bread cookies'

a lot of irish is also defined by pot still which has a distinct flavor that you'll notice pretty quickly as soon as you have it a few times, it's kinda peppery, but not peppery.

green spot, redbreast 12, powers are all good examples

 

[Beakertwang]

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Wow, I missed all the controversy over this. Guess I should have read through the thread first.

 

[CraigT78]

So what do you suggest? This was sweet and smooth and easy to drink, but didn't have much character. There was nothing wrong with it, but it's not anything I would go out of my way to drink. The guy who brought it said it was $40. Off the top of my head I can think of 10 bottles at that price or less that are considerably better. Bourbons and Ryes.

Not Proper 12. That whiskey is garbage. I had one pour and dumped the bottle down the sink.

 

[JustDave]

Not Proper 12. That whiskey is garbage. I had one pour and dumped the bottle down the sink.

it's celebrity whiskey... I don't know what people really expected from it. I prefer bog standard jameson.

 

[krafticus]

Let’s go SF…

 

[FDLmold]

it's celebrity whiskey... I don't know what people really expected from it. I prefer bog standard jameson.

I used to be high on Casamigos tequila (celebrity tequila). Then I tasted non-additive tequila, and when I go back to Casamigos, my palate can pick up and sense there are things that don't belong.

 

[warma]

proper no 12 is missing a lot of the traditional irish characteristics

irish is normally vanilla, butter, sweet, light, not a ton of body. something that is frequently associated with irish whiskey is 'short bread cookies'

a lot of irish is also defined by pot still which has a distinct flavor that you'll notice pretty quickly as soon as you have it a few times, it's kinda peppery, but not peppery.

green spot, redbreast 12, powers are all good examples

I’m even more of an noob in this area, but diving into some interesting selections has shown me there’s more to it that I thought. It’s a different profile, for certain, and it’s also evolving, with distillers starting to push beyond the traditional profile.

I’d also add Teeling Single Grain to the list.

 

[Billy Baroo]

 

[JustDave]

I’m even more of an noob in this area, but diving into some interesting selections has shown me there’s more to it that I thought. It’s a different profile, for certain, and it’s also evolving, with distillers starting to push beyond the traditional profile.

I’d also add Teeling Single Grain to the list.

mostly corn, column still, cab barrels? Nothing against Teeling Single Grain, but not what I'd point someone at who was trying to sample irish whiskey.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I’m even more of an noob in this area, but diving into some interesting selections has shown me there’s more to it that I thought. It’s a different profile, for certain, and it’s also evolving, with distillers starting to push beyond the traditional profile.

I’d also add Teeling Single Grain to the list.

Yes. I think I mentioned in an earlier conversation (couple weeks ago?) here in this thread that I had tasted two different Teeling products and enjoyed them. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

mostly corn, column still, cab barrels? Nothing against Teeling Single Grain, but not what I'd point someone at who was trying to sample irish whiskey.

On the one hand, yes, I'm looking to get educated and learn to recognize different profiles. But I'm also just interested in good whiskey, even if it doesn't fit a standard profile.

 

[Billy Baroo]

mostly corn, column still, cab barrels? Nothing against Teeling Single Grain, but not what I'd point someone at who was trying to sample irish whiskey.

What would you steer a predominantly cask strength bourbon/rye drinker to for a nice intro to Irish?

Doesn’t necessarily have to be cask strength either. Just wanting to try a good representation of what Irish whisky has to offer. I’ve had Jameson before and I’d rather drink water lol

 

[JustDave]

What would you steer a predominantly cask strength bourbon/rye drinker to for a nice intro to Irish?

Doesn’t necessarily have to be cask strength either. Just wanting to try a good representation of what Irish whisky has to offer. I’ve had Jameson before and I’d rather drink water lol

A lot of bourbon/rye drinkers I know have really enjoyed Redbreast Lustau.

However it isn't quintessential Irish.

Maybe this is just me, but bourbon and rye has gone deep into big bold flavors. So many things are cask strength and heavily finished now I kinda equate it to an ice cream sundae with all of these things going on. To me, irish whiskey is vanilla ice cream and really good irish whiskey is really good vanilla ice cream. If it is what you are after, nothing else is like it, but it isn't really the same thing.

 

[Billy Baroo]

A lot of bourbon/rye drinkers I know have really enjoyed Redbreast Lustau.

However it isn't quintessential Irish.

Maybe this is just me, but bourbon and rye has gone deep into big bold flavors. So many things are cask strength and heavily finished now I kinda equate it to an ice cream sundae with all of these things going on. To me, irish whiskey is vanilla ice cream and really good irish whiskey is really good vanilla ice cream. If it is what you are after, nothing else is like it, but it isn't really the same thing.

Thank you!

I love big bold flavors, but I’m also a big fan of just really good vanilla ice cream too…especially French vanilla. While I really enjoy good cask strength offerings, I’m not much of a fan of secondary finished products. Toasted barrels and double oaked are good, but I don’t care much for anything that is secondary wine finished.

 

[Billy Baroo]

Speaking of toasted barrel…

 

[Saoliver]

Went to a very special bottle draft today. I’m exhausted. It was a big disappointment for me… until it wasn’t. More on that next week.

Here’s the pron.

And the bottle share after: I brought Stagg Jr Batch 14 and Smoke Wagon Malted Rye. I broke my dry spell for one day to sample some of these. And @Pinkdan everyone who tried the Smoke Wagon loved it. So it’s just you.

 

[BruceWayne]

Looks like an amazing, well-run event!

 

[Saoliver]

Looks like an amazing, well-run event!

It’s my #1 store. Good guys. Private event for the top 50 customers. Not MSRP, but much closer to MSRP than to secondary.

They are doing the same event in July with all the same bottles… so I guess I’ve got to keep buying.

 

[Pinkdan]

Went to a very special bottle draft today. I’m exhausted. It was a big disappointment for me… until it wasn’t. More on that next week.

Here’s the pron.

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And the bottle share after: I brought Stagg Jr Batch 14 and Smoke Wagon Malted Rye. I broke my dry spell for one day to sample some of these. And @Pinkdan everyone who tried the Smoke Wagon loved it. So it’s just you.

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How many armed guards were at the front door?

 

[FDLmold]

It’s my #1 store. Good guys. Private event for the top 50 customers. Not MSRP, but much closer to MSRP than to secondary.

They are doing the same event in July with all the same bottles… so I guess I’ve got to keep buying.

Ask them how much to be customer #49, could save you some $$ if you know you're like customer 29 or something.

 

[Saoliver]

Ask them how much to be customer #49, could save you some $$ if you know you're like customer 29 or something.

Don’t get me started. I was the 10th ranked customer, but it’s a random draft. I drew 48th, hence, my disappointment.

But my guy took care of me. I get a nice consolation next week, which happens to be one of my top 10 bottles I would have wanted.

 

[Saoliver]

I ended up with RR13, which isn’t bad at all. But then I went to Total Wine for some retail therapy.

 

[JustDave]

And @Pinkdan everyone who tried the Smoke Wagon loved it.

I actually hated smoke wagon... just sayin.

 

[krafticus]

The Sherry finish is all over the place around me. If anyone needs one. ;-)

 

[Saoliver]

I actually hated smoke wagon... just sayin.

The Malted Rye? It is very polarizing.

 

[FDLmold]

The Sherry finish is all over the place around me. If anyone needs one. ;-)

I can find at least five of the Sagamore bottles, but the Sherry Finish hasn't made a peep at any of my stores. It's weird. I'm probably set until next year's Sherry release, but I'll let you know.

 

[krafticus]

This one too…..

 

[Saoliver]

Went to a very special bottle draft today. I’m exhausted. It was a big disappointment for me… until it wasn’t. More on that next week.

Here’s the pron.

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And the bottle share after: I brought Stagg Jr Batch 14 and Smoke Wagon Malted Rye. I broke my dry spell for one day to sample some of these. And @Pinkdan everyone who tried the Smoke Wagon loved it. So it’s just you.

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Here is the full list and my personal ranking. The secret bottle on the bottom of the list ended up being George T Stagg, either 2019 or 2020.

RANK	BOTTLE
1	William Larue Weller 124.7 2022
2	George T Stagg 138.7 2022
3	Mr Sam 122.6
4	Heaven Hill 17
5	Parkers 16th 132.2
6	Parkers 16th 132.2
7	EH Taylor Warehouse C
8	Old Fitz 17y
9	Old Fitz 17y
10	Pappy 15y
11	Eagle Rare 17 Fall 2022
12	Jack D Rye Brl Proof 133.3
13	Thomas Handy Sazerac Rye 130.9
14	Old Fitz 19y
15	Four Roses Limited 2022 109.0
16	Jack D Coy Hill 140.0
17	Russell's 2003 16y 89.5
18	Pappy 10y
19	Old Forester Birthday 2022
20	EH Barrel Proof 127.3
21	EH Barrel Proof 127.3
22	Willett 9y brl no.2099 124.8
23	Willett 9y brl no.2099 124.8
24	Willett 8y brl no.7129 126.2
25	Willett 8y brl no.7129 126.2
26	Willett 8y brl no.7118 125.8
27	Willett 8y brl no.7118 125.8
28	Russell's 13y 114.8
29	Russell's 13y 114.8
30	Pappy 12y
31	Old Forester SB Rye 128.2
32	Master's Keep Unforgotten
33	Master's Keep Unforgotten
34	Master's Keep One
35	Rock Hill Farms
36	Sazerac 18 Summer 2021
37	Weller CYPB
38	Weller Single Barrel
39	Jack D Twiced Brl'd Smalt 107.8
40	Willett rye 6y 119.0
41	EH Taylor Rye
42	Stagg Jr 130.2 Batch 14
43	Stagg Jr 128.7 Batch 17
44	Stagg Jr 130.9 Batch 16
45	Michters 10y RYE 2022
46	Michters 10y BBN 2021
47	Highwest Prisoner's share
48	Michters 20y BBN
49	Michters Toasted Sour 2022
50	Gold Spot 9y 135th Anniv 102.8
51	Shenks 2022
52	Weller Full Proof
53	Weller Full Proof
54	Bombergers 2022
55	Weller 12y
56	Weller 12y
57	Hibiki 21
58	Michters Toasted Rye 2020
59	Willett Wheat 8y 108.0
60	Proper & Ernest secret bottle

 

[warma]

A lot of bourbon/rye drinkers I know have really enjoyed Redbreast Lustau.

However it isn't quintessential Irish.

Maybe this is just me, but bourbon and rye has gone deep into big bold flavors. So many things are cask strength and heavily finished now I kinda equate it to an ice cream sundae with all of these things going on. To me, irish whiskey is vanilla ice cream and really good irish whiskey is really good vanilla ice cream. If it is what you are after, nothing else is like it, but it isn't really the same thing.

I’m a believer that a bourbon drinker can also enjoy Irish for what it is (and not all Irish is the same). It’s nice to explore and enjoy different flavor options.

 

[warma]

Yes. I think I mentioned in an earlier conversation (couple weeks ago?) here in this thread that I had tasted two different Teeling products and enjoyed them. Thanks for reminding me.

I forgot as well.