PCF Wine appreciation thread. (6 Viewers)

@Coyote I've seen your posts here and I'm thinking of ordering some Greek wines as they seem to be very good QPR at the moment. Which producers or wines (red wines at the moment) would you suggest besides the ones in your posts? I'm primarily looking for wines to drink in the short term but could snag up a few bottles for cellaring as well. I've only had Papaioannou Nemea red so far and thought that was very good for such an inexpensive bottle.
You can't ever go wrong with Papaioannou. There are some Greek wine makers whose products I 'll drink bllind, but not necessarily buy blind.
In the case of Papaioannou, I buy blind.
First of all, there is his Aygiorgitiko (local variety of Nemea) series, starting with Ktima (estate) and going up to "Old Vineyards" and "Micro Climate", if I remember well. Ideal for grilled meat or Greek poor man's meal (bread, feta cheese, tomato, olives, peppers, onion and garlic - with olive oil and plenty of oregano).
Then, his Cabernet Sauvignon, also cultivated in Nemea, labelled "Cava" is a steal at 12E (I guesstimate that many French people, if blind-folded, would think this is a 50E, at least, bottle, from their own country). I 've found it's the absolutely perfect match for (very) hot pasta - Arabiatissima:)

Other than Aygiorgitiko (St George's) from Nemea, the Queen of Greek grapes, a "feminine" wine best suited for sauce-free grilled meals, the Greek male King variety is Xinomavro (Sourblack) of Macedonia, be it Naoussa or Amyntaion / Florina.
Very idiosyncratic, the Devil in a grape, so very few wine makers dare make single variety wines out of it. Most blend it with Merlot and/or Syrah, for consistency through the years. Suitable for spicy, cooked foods, heavy sauces and game.

Plain Xinomavro is made by Boutaris brand under the vineyard's name ("Naoussa") and by Thymiopoulos, the latter being better.
Lots of blends by the brother Boutaris (Kyr Yannis brand), mostly very good but sometimes overpriced.

Tsantalis is another noteworthy Macedonian wine maker. I would single out Rapsani (blend of Xinomavro and other traditional local varieties) and Metohi Chromitsa (blend with French varieties I can't remember by heart). An upgraded Chromitsa is the Kormilitsa, hugely overpriced though, 'cause President Putin, following a visit of his to the monastic community of Mount Athos, orders at least half of a year's production for Kremlin use:rolleyes:

Averoff winery in Metsovo, on the mountains of Epirus (Greece's highest altitude vineyards at almost 1000m) produces some very nice reds from both local and French varieties. The best (worth ordering from Finland) are the Rossiu di Munte series (Red of the Mountain, in local Vlach dialect of Latin origin).

I 'll ask for more accurate details my liquor store owner (a friend by now:LOL: :laugh:) and come back to you.
 
Our national alcohol monopoly is grossly overpriced and there are some Deutschland based online stores carrying a variety of Greek wines. Shipping is around 25€ so it's not bad for a box of 18 or 12 bottles.

Thank you for the recommendations so far! I'll look them up.
 
Picked this one up from a dear friend at Kaustcoe

Unreal balance, with notes of Grape Hubba Bubba and Big League Chew, boiled football leather, tree bark, and scabs.

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Lol, ok....I don't know shit about wine. HOWEVER, I am going to appreciate this one TONIGHT! (yes, it was Costco...)
 
@AuerDanger
Here are a few links to my preferred wineries (certainly not exhaustive):

-My beloved Papaioannou, (in Nemea, the Peloponnese) a Bordeaux-educated scientist and genuine farmer whom I 've met personally in his winery:
https://www.papaioannouwines.gr/index.php/en/labels

-Tsantalis, with vineyards all over Macedonia (Mount Athos, Halkidiki, Rapsani etc)
https://www.tsantali.com/our-wines/

-Kyr Yannis, with vinyards in Naoussa (central Macedonia) and Amyndaion (western Macedonia). He 's acquired the Sigalas estate on the island of Santorini, too
https://kiryianni.gr

-Averoff on the mountains of Epirus
https://katogiaveroff.gr/en/ta-krasia-mas

-Messenicolas: A unique wine coming from a name-sake village and (mainly) a name-sake variety introduced there centuries ago by some mysterious French Monsieur Nicolas :wow:
https://winerymonsieurnicolas.gr/en/wines/winery-monsieur-nicolas

-I forgot to mention that the absolute best straight Xinomavro I 've tasted to-date is the "Reserve Vieilles Vignes" (old vines) by the prestigious Alpha Estate in Amyndaion, western Macedonia. Their wines are sometimes pricey by local standards, but are anyway intended mainly for export. Nice people too (I 've visited them)
http://alpha-estate.com

Last but not least, I should mention the unique volcanic terroir of Santorini island. The local Assyrtiko has already become world-known and started to get somewhat pricey, but, IMHO, there is no better white wine to go with fish and seafood.
Santorini produces interesting reds too, mainly based on Mavrathyro, and the superb dark red sweet dessert wine named Vinsanto (holy wine) by medieval Venicians. The latter has gotten really expensive, lately.
You can't really go wrong with any of the wineries there, but here is one I have visited lately and recommend:
https://estateargyros.com/wines

I tried to give you a picture of what I like and put an emphasis on Greek varieties, for some originality, since the international consumer today is being caberneted, merloted and syrahed :LOL: :laugh: to death.


Cheers!:)
 
@AuerDanger
Here are a few links to my preferred wineries (certainly not exhaustive):

-My beloved Papaioannou, (in Nemea, the Peloponnese) a Bordeaux-educated scientist and genuine farmer whom I 've met personally in his winery:
https://www.papaioannouwines.gr/index.php/en/labels

-Tsantalis, with vineyards all over Macedonia (Mount Athos, Halkidiki, Rapsani etc)
https://www.tsantali.com/our-wines/

-Kyr Yannis, with vinyards in Naoussa (central Macedonia) and Amyndaion (western Macedonia). He 's acquired the Sigalas estate on the island of Santorini, too
https://kiryianni.gr

-Averoff on the mountains of Epirus
https://katogiaveroff.gr/en/ta-krasia-mas

-Messenicolas: A unique wine coming from a name-sake village and (mainly) a name-sake variety introduced there centuries ago by some mysterious French Monsieur Nicolas :wow:
https://winerymonsieurnicolas.gr/en/wines/winery-monsieur-nicolas

-I forgot to mention that the absolute best straight Xinomavro I 've tasted to-date is the "Reserve Vieilles Vignes" (old vines) by the prestigious Alpha Estate in Amyndaion, western Macedonia. Their wines are sometimes pricey by local standards, but are anyway intended mainly for export. Nice people too (I 've visited them)
http://alpha-estate.com

Last but not least, I should mention the unique volcanic terroir of Santorini island. The local Assyrtiko has already become world-known and started to get somewhat pricey, but, IMHO, there is no better white wine to go with fish and seafood.
Santorini produces interesting reds too, mainly based on Mavrathyro, and the superb dark red sweet dessert wine named Vinsanto (holy wine) by medieval Venicians. The latter has gotten really expensive, lately.
You can't really go wrong with any of the wineries there, but here is one I have visited lately and recommend:
https://estateargyros.com/wines

I tried to give you a picture of what I like and put an emphasis on Greek varieties, for some originality, since the international consumer today is being caberneted, merloted and syrahed :LOL: :laugh: to death.


Cheers!:)


Ask and you shall receive!!! Thank you!
 
Made a much better choice today. This wine is fantastic and a great QPR.
This wine is 54% Cabernet Sauvignon, 23% Merlot, 12% Cabernet Franc, 9% Malbec and 2% Petit Verdot.
Fruit sources include Kiona Vineyard on Red Mountain, Seven Hills Vineyard in Walla Walla, Sheridan Vineyard in Rattlesnake Hills and Burgess Vineyard in Columbia Valley.
All French oak - 60% new and 40% once used (two year old oak)
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Made a much better choice today. This wine is fantastic and a great QPR.
This wine is 54% Cabernet Sauvignon, 23% Merlot, 12% Cabernet Franc, 9% Malbec and 2% Petit Verdot....

That's a very interesting blend for an American wine of that age.
 
Another Rapsani PDO (Protected Designation of Origin), by Dougos wine maker this time.
Xinomavro (Sourblack) harnessed by Stavroto (cross-blender) and Krassato (wine-intended) in whatever percentage each vintage dictates.
At 12E, it's reasonable. Intended to accompany oven-baked beans in thin tomato sauce with lots of hot peppers and garlic. (I won't mention lots of true bread and Cretan/Cycladic fresh soft white cheese - the softer island equivalent of mainland feta). This quarantine is killing me.:D

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The back up bottles arrived today. Will now drink the higher quality wines on the weekend or when I feel like it. #shelterinplace

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I realize I need to get out of my Cab Sauv bubble, but picked these two up at Kaustcoe the other day. I have had the Stags Leap...but the other one really intrigues me......great reviews


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Yeah, Freemark Abbey has been making excellent wines for a long, long time.

Our last (most recent, not final) two suppers under confinement:

Yesterday, with a 24-hour slow roasted pork butt -

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I'm not the biggest fan of Argentine wines, including the malbecs, but this Argento Cab Franc was huge and delicious. I'd buy a case in a heartbeat if I had the chance.

Tonight, with very full-flavored chicken thighs Provencal, another huge winner, despite (or maybe because of) its age. We just now finished it, outside by the pool, watching the sunset. It was still fresh and vibrant as could be:

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On a sad note, our favorite local wine shop (Cheers to Wine) and source for the Argento, run by an extremely knowledgeable retired FBI agent and his wife from Connecticut, whose Friday night tastings we've attended for the past seven years, is closing permanently. Major bummer. :(
 
C'mon, somebody out there must be skilled at drinking local wine from a goat bladder. I bet @Coyote knows someone in Greece... :cool
Last time goat bladders might have been used for wine storage here was before Homer's narrative time, so clearly before 1200BC
For many centuries after that (i.e. from at least 800BC), clay amphorae had been used (before the contemporary use of glass bottles), encouragingly decorated with images of oral, anal and group sex.

Ancient Greek wine was, seemingly, a lot less refined than today's wine, a product that mankind owes to French medieval nobility.
Ancient Greeks would never drink straight wine or any alcohol (only foreigners i.e. "barbarians" would ever do that) which tells a lot about the crude nature of ancient wine.
The only consistent distasteful tradition regarding wine I can apologise about, as a Greek, is using resin as a preservative for young white wine, and turning that into a perverse taste (the abonimable "retsina"; though there are some gentle and civilised versions offered today particularly by Kechris Winery (google them!).

It's a miracle, anyway, that some form and tradition of wine-making - and some vines- survived in Greece, the nation having lived under, and having fought against, the genocidal terror of Jihadists (Ottoman Turks) for almost half a millennium ...
It seems you 've got to come here when the virus shit comes to a halt.:)
 

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