So it Begins... (5 Viewers)

[MeridianFC]

Paulson and CPC, though they both are compression molded clay, are different beasts. Paulsons have deeper, purer colors (and more choices), are more consistent chip to chip, have a very specific feel, and of course have some spot patterns that CPC does not. CPC are more old school and while some see the color selection as a bug I see it mostly as a feature especially if one likes retro styling. CPC is available, customizable, and (relatively) more affordable. For me if CPC chips had slightly tighter size tolerances I'd say they would be superior for the reasons just mentioned. That said I love 'em both. I would think any nutjob here would have at least one set of each.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

Given the current out of the box watered down Paulson catalog vs cpc these days… I’m not sure the winner is so clear anymore.

 

[Tommy]

almost no glue and only the tension of compression holding them in.

David told me pretty much the same.

 

[Chipandchair]

Paulson and CPC, though they both are compression molded clay, are different beasts. Paulsons have deeper, purer colors (and more choices), are more consistent chip to chip, have a very specific feel, and of course have some spot patterns that CPC does not. CPC are more old school and while some see the color selection as a bug I see it mostly as a feature especially if one likes retro styling. CPC is available, customizable, and (relatively) more affordable. For me if CPC chips had slightly tighter size tolerances I'd say they would be superior for the reasons just mentioned. That said I love 'em both. I would think any nutjob here would have at least one set of each.

less colors that are also less vibrant is a feature??

 

[EmptyPocs]

Also, the inlays on CPCs are barely holding on IMO. On samples that I had, I dropped a chip and the inlay popped right out.

That is sad to hear.
My MD50 set was experiencing this (ASM made) but I never mentioned it until here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/finished-stuff-milling.53843/post-2003017
I did not dig up the inlays until just recently (I can maybe show them later somewhere).
This did not happen from dropping or normal home game use, but from semi-heavy abuse (so certainly not good for casino use).
After all the good they do, I was never interested in stirring the pot. Especially if it was isolated to me (I never saw any other complaints).

I had bought an extra barrel of every denom in the set and would shuffle each non-stop during my commute for a week (~7-8 hours per barrel).
This is when I experienced the plastic outer layer of the inlay popping off (taking some the the paper print with it). Only with my shuffle stacks.

 

[upNdown]

Given the current out of the box watered down Paulson catalog vs cpc these days… I’m not sure the winner is so clear anymore.

Let’s not forget that CPC has 15 molds in 39mm and two in 44mm.
Paulson essentially has two 39mms and a single 43mm, and 90% of the Paulsons available are on RHC, a mold that most chippers rank at the very bottom.
People accept RHC because it’s *PAULSON* and because it’s available, but there are at least ten CPC molds that kick the crap out of it.
I dunno, I know I’m getting off track here, but as we veer into the CPC vs Paulson debate, it just shocks me how often people ignore molds. I guess most chippers focus on shiny colors and flashy spot patterns. To me, that’s less than half the equation.

 

[MeridianFC]

less colors that are also less vibrant is a feature??

I meant the specific colors not the lesser selection, bad phrasing on my part. The colors have a pleasing, to me, old school vibe.

Just to chime in on the inlay issue, I have 1200-1300 most of which I've owned for nearly 20 years and I have never had a single inlay problem.

 

[Thomacetti]

Let’s not forget that CPC has 15 molds in 39mm and two in 44mm.
Paulson essentially has two 39mms and a single 43mm, and 90% of the Paulsons available are on RHC, a mold that most chippers rank at the very bottom.
People accept RHC because it’s *PAULSON* and because it’s available, but there are at least ten CPC molds that kick the crap out of it.
I dunno, I know I’m getting off track here, but as we veer into the CPC vs Paulson debate, it just shocks me how often people ignore molds. I guess most chippers focus on shiny colors and flashy spot patterns. To me, that’s less than half the equation.

I really like my ASM sets…but the RHC bashing is ridiculous.
The reason people prefer RHC is because they are cheap (THC prices went off the rail in recent times) and match 80% or more what THC mold brings.

Feeling wise no CPC set in any mold can match the THC/RHC feeling.
Casino wise it is a horrible mold (wear) but this is not the same as home game use.
Most of the multi set PCFers don’t even use most of their sets.

And if we really focus on feeling, nothing beats old school lead (or grail BCC)

 

[cpac54]

Given the current out of the box watered down Paulson catalog vs cpc these days… I’m not sure the winner is so clear anymore.

That (sadly) might be true now with respect to edge spots, but in terms of colours, Paulson still wins hands down, ainec imo. On the other hand, maybe I'm just not creative enough to utilize the CPC palette to it's full potential.

 

[krafticus]

That (sadly) might be true now with respect to edge spots, but in terms of colours, Paulson still wins hands down, ainec imo. On the other hand, maybe I'm just not creative enough to utilize the CPC palette to it's full potential.

I mean, it's all relative. I'm not a fan of some of the colors that others adore, and vise versa (Paulson and CPC). That's what makes this hobby so darn fun.

 

[LeGold]

Given the current out of the box watered down Paulson catalog vs cpc these days… I’m not sure the winner is so clear anymore.

You, sir... GTFO

 

[Tommy]

I mean, it's all relative. I'm not a fan of some of the colors that others adore, and vise versa (Paulson and CPC). That's what makes this hobby so darn fun.

Some colors many don't even consider. For example, Colon Orange, now that's a color that I would like to see used more as a spot with another color.

 

[upNdown]

I really like my ASM sets…but the RHC bashing is ridiculous.
The reason people prefer RHC is because they are cheap (THC prices went off the rail in recent times) and match 80% or more what THC mold brings.

Feeling wise no CPC set in any mold can match the THC/RHC feeling.
Casino wise it is a horrible mold (wear) but this is not the same as home game use.
Most of the multi set PCFers don’t even use most of their sets.

And if we really focus on feeling, nothing beats old school lead (or grail BCC)

Not sure if I disagree with your word choice or if you’re talking trash, but nobody “prefers” RHC. Literally zero NAGB chips have been produced on that mold. But yes, people buy them because they’re available for comparatively lower prices.

I’ll agree that the RHC bashing is ridiculous in this regard - any compressed clay chip is leaps and bounds better than anything else. Truthfully I recently bought an RHC set and I don’t think I thought about the mold once while I was playing. But that’s a reasonable and practical perspective. We here at PCF are anything but reasonable, practical, or rational. We’ll debate the most subtle point until the horse is beaten, bloodied and dead. And looking at it from that perspective, RHC is poop.

So everybody buy Tigers - they’re not RHC!
(You guys can use that one in your marketing, free of charge.)

 

[ssanel54]

Let’s not forget that CPC has 15 molds in 39mm and two in 44mm.
Paulson essentially has two 39mms and a single 43mm, and 90% of the Paulsons available are on RHC, a mold that most chippers rank at the very bottom.
People accept RHC because it’s *PAULSON* and because it’s available, but there are at least ten CPC molds that kick the crap out of it.
I dunno, I know I’m getting off track here, but as we veer into the CPC vs Paulson debate, it just shocks me how often people ignore molds. I guess most chippers focus on shiny colors and flashy spot patterns. To me, that’s less than half the equation.

What are you trying to compare here? Paulson has many more molds than just the Hat and Cane, and it’s far easier and cheaper to design a custom mold than with CPC. None of these are available to the public currently however..

 

[upNdown]

What are you trying to compare here? Paulson has many more molds than just the Hat and Cane, and it’s far easier and cheaper to design a custom mold than with CPC. None of these are available to the public currently however..

Just what a chipper can reasonably obtain. If we’re talking about how somebody can go about putting together a set, whether it’s ordering customs from CPC or buying Paulsons and relabeling them (or playing them as is) - just what I view as a reasonable Paulson vs CPC debate. In that comparison, I’d never consider Paulson suit molds or pineapple or any of the obscure molds because they probably make up like 2% of the Paulsons in existence and aren’t easily obtainable.

 

[Thomacetti]

Not sure if I disagree with your word choice or if you’re talking trash, but nobody “prefers” RHC. Literally zero NAGB chips have been produced on that mold. But yes, people buy them because they’re available for comparatively lower prices.

I’ll agree that the RHC bashing is ridiculous in this regard - any compressed clay chip is leaps and bounds better than anything else. Truthfully I recently bought an RHC set and I don’t think I thought about the mold once while I was playing. But that’s a reasonable and practical perspective. We here at PCF are anything but reasonable, practical, or rational. We’ll debate the most subtle point until the horse is beaten, bloodied and dead. And looking at it from that perspective, RHC is poop.

So everybody buy Tigers - they’re not RHC!
(You guys can use that one in your marketing, free of charge.)

sorry, bad choice of words…people buy RHC because they are cheap and 80% the same to THC
Everyone prefers THC vs RHC (except if latter are leaded and THC are not).

RHC is a valid option and mold wear in home game setting is more then acceptable.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

As someone who has tasted the forbidden fruit I will say there is still something about creating your own one of a kind clay set from top to bottom that just can’t be replaced. And sadly not something that we can really do with Paulsons. But someone like @bergs or @H|Q can probably weigh in more on what that feels like. Gotta be amazing.

 

[Johnblue]

@David Spragg what would it take in all seriousness (money, effort etc) get a new yellow cooked up?

At some point, eventually, I am sure you want to expand your pallete a bit.

I am not complaining at all, but I bet there’s a devoted group of your customers that would help you fill some of the gaps.

 

[London24]

Everyone prefers THC vs RHC (except if latter are leaded and THC are not).

I can’t stay in the closet any longer: I prefer RHC, and I don’t care who knows.

The balance between inlay and outer rim just looks better to me, and the larger inlay / label area leaves more room for what I think is the hero of the chip (I’m a big solids fan).

Don’t bother telling me how wrong I am- beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I like what I like. We should all be happy we all like different things, otherwise this hobby would be impossible.

I feel like a weight’s been lifted getting that off my chest.

 

[krafticus]

Some colors many don't even consider. For example, Colon Orange, now that's a color that I would like to see used more as a spot with another color.

Agreed !!

Not sure if I disagree with your word choice or if you’re talking trash, but nobody “prefers” RHC. Literally zero NAGB chips have been produced on that mold. But yes, people buy them because they’re available for comparatively lower prices.

I’ll agree that the RHC bashing is ridiculous in this regard - any compressed clay chip is leaps and bounds better than anything else. Truthfully I recently bought an RHC set and I don’t think I thought about the mold once while I was playing. But that’s a reasonable and practical perspective. We here at PCF are anything but reasonable, practical, or rational. We’ll debate the most subtle point until the horse is beaten, bloodied and dead. And looking at it from that perspective, RHC is poop.

So everybody buy Tigers - they’re not RHC!
(You guys can use that one in your marketing, free of charge.)

I could care less if it's THC or RHC. For what I use them for, they are 100% the same; hence your 1st statement is false. I prefer Paulson, I love CPC. without boundaries, I'd go custom Paulson before CPC, but that's not an option.

Why do NAGB go THC? I'd ASSUME because a) that's what a majority want and b) c) d) and e) the resale value is much much higher.

Who knows, maybe I'm just not a real chipper..... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(sorry for the additional thread derailment)

 

[kk405]

With sub-optimum colors, harder feel, and lesser weight. Not everybody's cup of tea, and for some, deal-breakers.

Feeling wise no CPC set in any mold can match the THC/RHC feeling.

That (sadly) might be true now with respect to edge spots, but in terms of colours, Paulson still wins hands down

Pretty much what is said above... I have tried very hard to like CPC chips, but the weight and feel issue have always been a deal breaker for me... they feel like a 'cheap' 'plastic' version of Paulsons, THC OR RHC... The CPCs are a great way to create a 'completely custom' set, given inability to do so at Paulson (or any clay chip for that matter), but I simply can't get over the weight/feel issue...to each their own

And even though some of the best spots have been taken out of the GPI catalog...I still think some incredible sets can be made using the available (and yes, limited) spot patterns... the depth of color palette at GPI is pretty unbeatable at the moment.

 

[Johnblue]

I can’t stay in the closet any longer: I prefer RHC, and I don’t care who knows.

The balance between inlay and outer rim just looks better to me, and the larger inlay / label area leaves more room for what I think is the hero of the chip (I’m a big solids fan).

Don’t bother telling me how wrong I am- beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I like what I like. We should all be happy we all like different things, otherwise this hobby would be impossible.

I feel like a weight’s been lifted getting that off my chest.

I don’t hate brand new RHC, I love ‘em!

Casino used RHC, I have yet to keep any, I have had thousands, and they all get resold, I try to like them, but they get so Mangy looking.

Used THC seems to hold up so much better.

But I don’t think it matters for home game use, the RHC holds up to everything I can throw it it.

 

[Thisfiendis138]

 

[kk405]

Is there any chance of tournament sets using the primary or secondary chips?

I am pretty certain people will put those together at some point... I am envisioning a robust secondary market activity after the chips go on sale and get delivered as people will try to bulk-up some sets and even create other playable sets from scratch.

Initially there will be a 400pc, 600pc, and 1500pc tournament sets that will become available for sale (all hot stamps) and the cash sets will be for $0.25/$0.50, $1/$2, $2/$5 and $5/$10 games (both primary and secondary).

 

[ssanel54]

Just what a chipper can reasonably obtain. If we’re talking about how somebody can go about putting together a set, whether it’s ordering customs from CPC or buying Paulsons and relabeling them (or playing them as is) - just what I view as a reasonable Paulson vs CPC debate. In that comparison, I’d never consider Paulson suit molds or pineapple or any of the obscure molds because they probably make up like 2% of the Paulsons in existence and aren’t easily obtainable.

Okay, I see what you are saying now. Though I’d contend THC chips are only easily obtainable now because of the numerous NAGBs. I think much of the allure to the mold is because initially they were much harder to find

 

[toothpic]

I am pretty certain people will put those together at some point... I am envisioning a robust secondary market activity after the chips go on sale and get delivered as people will try to bulk-up some sets and even create other playable sets from scratch.

Initially there will be a 400pc, 600pc, and 1500pc tournament sets that will become available for sale (all hot stamps) and the cash sets will be for $0.25/$0.50, $1/$2, $2/$5 and $5/$10 games (both primary and secondary).

 

[EmptyPocs]

I am pretty certain people will put those together at some point... I am envisioning a robust secondary market activity after the chips go on sale and get delivered as people will try to bulk-up some sets and even create other playable sets from scratch.

Initially there will be a 400pc, 600pc, and 1500pc tournament sets that will become available for sale (all hot stamps) and the cash sets will be for $0.25/$0.50, $1/$2, $2/$5 and $5/$10 games (both primary and secondary).

sigh, I must have missed that somewhere
I thought it would be ala carte
going to be lots of chip swapping

 

[Ethan]

I am pretty certain people will put those together at some point... I am envisioning a robust secondary market activity after the chips go on sale and get delivered as people will try to bulk-up some sets and even create other playable sets from scratch.

Initially there will be a 400pc, 600pc, and 1500pc tournament sets that will become available for sale (all hot stamps) and the cash sets will be for $0.25/$0.50, $1/$2, $2/$5 and $5/$10 games (both primary and secondary).

Love this. Whether or not I luck out, I look forward to and appreciate a potential opportunity to purchase a goat set!

 

[JMC9389]

sigh, I must have missed that somewhere
I thought it would be ala carte
going to be lots of chip swapping

It stinks for those trying to build tournament sets from the cash chips, but I would imagine the order quantities would reflect it best to build cash sets. Almost like a Chip Room sale in a way that the lower denoms will be much more plentiful than the $1k and up chips.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

It stinks for those trying to build tournament sets from the cash chips, but I would imagine the order quantities would reflect it best to build cash sets. Almost like a Chip Room sale in a way that the lower denoms will be much more plentiful than the $1k and up chips.

Exactly this. Can’t exactly order racks and racks of cash $5k and $25k, comparable to quantities of $5s for example, without setting off even more alarm bells.

Hell I barely got a tourney breakdown of cash denoms myself and I designed the things.

Also open selling by the rack really only works with a max profit model imo. Otherwise you get left with odd quantities of random chips. Also, since I did not design for murder I’m happy to see they aren’t being sold conducive to murder either.

Edit: but I’m still happy and excited to see the murder sets some people do inevitably create with the tigers