Storm's a Brewin' in Omaha (1 Viewer)

[Kain8]

Setting is a home game that I usually absolutely crush every time I go to it and today is no exception. We've been playing .50/$1 NLHE for the last 4 hours and then one player suggests we play Pineapple. That evolves into playing Omaha and 5 card Omaha as well.

Players of note in this hand:

Big Blind is sitting on approximately $40 after having bought in for a total of around $180. Tends to play pretty passive and really never bluffs.

UTG is sitting on $135 and is about even on the day. When he bets, he tends to have a pretty good hand, generally top pair or an overpair.

UTG +1 is sitting on $280 on a $100 buy-in. Tends to play somewhat snug, and doesn't get out of line. One of the few players at the table Hero has respect of their play.

Hero is sitting on about $325 on a $150 buy-in.


The game is Omaha, both the Big Blind and UTG are not knowledgeable in the game really, with UTG saying when we started dealing it just to deal him out if we decide to play it for the hand. He ends up playing Omaha anyway though.


UTG raises to $11 (not playing Pot Limit) and UTG +1 calls the $11.

Hero looks down at .


Hero's action?

 

[bergs]

Fold. No significant flush draws and any made straight will be vulnerable. Thread over.

 

[DrStrange]

I suggest Hero call the $11, not three-bet. Calling is marginally better than fold > three bet. Reopening the betting will allow UTG to go all-in with what is almost certain to be an AAxx or KKxx hand. Maybe Hero can pause for 20 seconds and see if someone will tip off their intentions and give Hero a reason to fold vs play the hand.

This hand can easily become a fold facing further aggression. It has big hand potential but is a preflop dog vs pretty much anything hold'em players would get excited about.

I specifically worry about BB with $40 - if he jams, then Here needs to fold and dust off his $11.

 

[ssanel54]

Fold. No significant flush draws and any made straight will be vulnerable. Thread over.

Made straight might play different in NLO. Especially with two inexperienced players.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I'd call. Willing to bet UTG has a big pair waiting to be cracked, and you can't do that by folding.

 

[courage]

Call. Flop wrap. Win all the things.

 

[upNdown]

I'd call. Willing to bet UTG has a big pair waiting to be cracked, and you can't do that by folding.

It's tempting. But is the best way to beat people who don't know how to play Omaha by playing like you don't know how to play omaha?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

A rundown like that is close to 50% against aces, and I'm guessing if he's new he may overvalue a big pocket pair post flop. So let's try to be the one who exploits this.

 

[upNdown]

A rundown like that is close to 50% against aces, and I'm guessing if he's new he may overvalue a big pocket pair post flop. So let's try to be the one who exploits this.

Fair enough. You're speaking to somebody who barely knows how to play Omaha.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything, but the O in SOHE World Champion does stand for Omaha. Or Oreos I'm not sure.

 

[detroitdad]

A rundown like that is close to 50% against aces, and I'm guessing if he's new he may overvalue a big pocket pair post flop. So let's try to be the one who exploits this.

I agree. I'm calling for sure.

 

[bergs]

I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything, but the O in SOHE World Champion does stand for Omaha. Or Oreos I'm not sure.

It stands for Orangutang you bearded monkey.

 

[Kain8]

As soon as I saw a raise to $11 from one decent stack and then a call from the 2nd biggest stack at the table, I thought my hand is pretty damn decent to try and break what should be Aces from UTG.

Hero calls $11.

Big blind also calls the $11.

Four players to the flop.

$44 pot

Flop:

Hero holds .

Big blind shoves for his last $25 or so.

UTG immediately shoves as well for his remaining stack $124.

UTG +1 folds.

Hero is last player to act in the hand. He has to call $124 to win $193, getting odds of about 1.55 to 1.

Does Hero call or let it go?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

If we are ranging UTG with aces or kings, we are a huge favorite so we have to call. would he be playing Jacks this way? no flush draw and three gapper for a straight, probably not. I think he's scared of aces getting cracked. call all day.

 

[guinness]

If we are ranging UTG with aces or kings, we are a huge favorite so we have to call. would he be playing Jacks this way? no flush draw and three gapper for a straight, probably not. I think he's scared of aces getting cracked. call all day.

Not a favorite since both the two pair and straights are the same draw cards. Its 50/50 here assuming AAxx/KKxx.

I would refer to the crystal ball of flipping a quarter. Heads you call, Tails you call.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Derp you're right of course. That being said I'm still calling. And sometimes your backdoor clubs are good too...

 

[Sunshine]

It's tempting. But is the best way to beat people who don't know how to play Omaha by playing like you don't know how to play omaha?

This question made me laugh and say "well, yeah, kinda".

 

[upNdown]

Yeah I still say fold, and is it even a close call?
Against two other hands, what's your best case scenario here? You're drawing to an inside straight, because the other two guys don't know how to play this game?
And they're all in, so they get the turn and river no matter what.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Call preflop.

On the flop, it's really close. We're about even money against AAxx alone, and about a 2:1 dog against JJxx and AAxx together.

I could take or leave this spot. It's really a question of how much you feel like gambling.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Yeah I still say fold, and is it even a close call?
Against two other hands, what's your best case scenario here? You're drawing to an inside straight, because the other two guys don't know how to play this game?
And they're all in, so they get the turn and river no matter what.

That's not an inside straight draw. It's a 9-out wrap draw (plus middle pair).

 

[upNdown]

That's not an inside straight draw. It's a 9-out wrap draw (plus middle pair).

Alright, I'll sit quietly and let the adults talk.

 

[DrStrange]

Risk $124 to win $317. Hero needs 39% equity - roughly what he has.

The wart is the side pot. Hero needs 50% equity there (meaning he needs less to compete for the smaller main pot.) But hero likely doesn't have 50% equity - it is something a bit less vs an over pair.

Plus there is always the chance someone has a set - that is a dagger in Hero's chest when it happens.

So, the up side is break even perhaps a hair less and the down side is a solid ass kicking. Time to let it go.

DrStrange

 

[onerand]

Fold. No significant flush draws and any made straight will be vulnerable. Thread over.

This is a level right?

Call. You are a flipping With much of UTGs range, even aces with a jack.

 

[Kain8]

*****Results*****






On the one hand, I had a pretty good profit for the session and I'd be putting most of it at risk. On the other hand, I felt so strong about my AAxx UTG read that a call makes sense for the biggest pot of the day.

Hero cuts out and slides $124 into the middle telling UTG that if he has Aces, I have a ton of outs against him. UTG does indeed show AA... along with an unexpected 22 to go with it!

Big blind doesn't turn his hand over yet and dealer burns and turns the prettiest card possible, the !! Nice to turn the nuts with a straight flush draw! Hero just has to fade the river against the set, which happens when the is shown.

Big blind mucks as well and Hero drags it all.

 

[bergs]

Boring typical PLO hand.

 

[Kain8]

Thank you @bergs for your contributions to the thread. I look forward to reading your next strategy thread that you post so that I can give the same shining insight as you have.

 

[bergs]

Thank you @bergs for your contributions to the thread. I look forward to reading your next strategy thread that you post so that I can give the same shining insight as you have.

I don't post many strategy threads. PotPotPotPotPotPot is not a strateregy.

EDIT: Reconsidering my glib comment because in your avatar you look like a hitman.

 

[Sunshine]

*****Results*****






On the one hand, I had a pretty good profit for the session and I'd be putting most of it at risk. On the other hand, I felt so strong about my AAxx UTG read that a call makes sense for the biggest pot of the day.

Hero cuts out and slides $124 into the middle telling UTG that if he has Aces, I have a ton of outs against him. UTG does indeed show AA... along with an unexpected 22 to go with it!

Big blind doesn't turn his hand over yet and dealer burns and turns the prettiest card possible, the !! Nice to turn the nuts with a straight flush draw! Hero just has to fade the river against the set, which happens when the is shown.

Big blind mucks as well and Hero drags it all.

Wait, wasn't the 8c in your hand?

 

[Kain8]

Wait, wasn't the 8c in your hand?

Argh, oopsy! Meant the