I'm just being a pain in the butt. I'm being truthful, but I don't expect people to agree with me on this one.Fine, I’ll leave it up to the native speakers to come up with a good word
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Oh! Maybe 'twas a lack of understanding on my part, not a lack of clarity on yours.
JustinInMN
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The problem is when something happens behind the scenes when the person that put dibs gets refused. Maybe that person took to long to close via PM. Maybe that person has a bad reputation. Maybe it was just dibs on one piece but they are being superceded by someone that wants to buy a whole lot.
I think if people stuck with @Gear 's definition of dibs it would be fine. But I think there is enough dibs abuse that isn't a practical expectation.
Jimulacrum
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It's certainly a person's prerogative to withdraw from a sale he has offered, for any reason, before funds and/or property have exchanged hands. These things happen. There's no "right" to a sale just because you posted a message in a thread.
But if you offer something for sale for a particular price, and someone claims it at your asking price, backing out and selling it to someone else who PMed you a higher offer post-dibs is grimy behavior. If you want people to compete over buying your thing, make it an auction, with all the wrinkles that adds. If not, make it a static sale thread, which IMO ought to act as a sort of "Buy It Now" feature.
If you insist on putting up static sale threads but treating them like unofficial silent auctions, expect people who get screwed out of their dibs to get upset and leave bad feedback, including threads like this one. This is a bad thing for the seller, the jilted buyer, and the site itself.
It's not really a question or rights or property or anything. It's a question of running a fair, orderly forum for commerce where outcomes are transparent and reliable. I've seen this problem arise over and over on Facebook yard-sale groups. They're overrun with people who offer things for sale, accept someone's offer to purchase, and even arrange a pick-up date and time, only to ghost the buyer because another buyer offered more. (And buyers are even worse about accepting deals and then backing out than sellers are.)
Is it their right to do this? Sure. There's no legally binding agreement otherwise. It's all informal. But treating people like this is bad for the platform, and so it behooves the platform to prevent it if possible, of if not, to at least eject people who do it.
But if you offer something for sale for a particular price, and someone claims it at your asking price, backing out and selling it to someone else who PMed you a higher offer post-dibs is grimy behavior. If you want people to compete over buying your thing, make it an auction, with all the wrinkles that adds. If not, make it a static sale thread, which IMO ought to act as a sort of "Buy It Now" feature.
If you insist on putting up static sale threads but treating them like unofficial silent auctions, expect people who get screwed out of their dibs to get upset and leave bad feedback, including threads like this one. This is a bad thing for the seller, the jilted buyer, and the site itself.
It's not really a question or rights or property or anything. It's a question of running a fair, orderly forum for commerce where outcomes are transparent and reliable. I've seen this problem arise over and over on Facebook yard-sale groups. They're overrun with people who offer things for sale, accept someone's offer to purchase, and even arrange a pick-up date and time, only to ghost the buyer because another buyer offered more. (And buyers are even worse about accepting deals and then backing out than sellers are.)
Is it their right to do this? Sure. There's no legally binding agreement otherwise. It's all informal. But treating people like this is bad for the platform, and so it behooves the platform to prevent it if possible, of if not, to at least eject people who do it.
I agree man totally. But sometimes you get excited and just want to post something quick to lock it in (<----- which sounds funny because I guess it doesn't "lock it in" anymore around here).
I usually use this instead (makes me feel better about myself lol):
Yeah I know
. ”Mine” is a little rough ’round the edges. Well, I’ll use any little word as long as we agree on it
colter ripton
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Dibs should mean that you will buy the chips at the stated price. Nothing more annoying than someone posting dibs and then pming you with a lower offer. I dont budge in those situations. If you said dibs you are paying the asking price or you are not getting them. I feel that it isn't fair to the other buyers who may have wanted them at a lower price but not the price listed.
That being said, I dont see a problem with the dibs system. It has worked for years and for the most part still does. I also don't have a problem with other types of sales, but if the sale is something different then a first come first served situation, it should be posted in the op.
Going back on a deal is scummy and offering more money to the seller once a deal is made is scummy too, especially in a place that is supposed to be a community. Thats my take on it atleast.
That being said, I dont see a problem with the dibs system. It has worked for years and for the most part still does. I also don't have a problem with other types of sales, but if the sale is something different then a first come first served situation, it should be posted in the op.
Going back on a deal is scummy and offering more money to the seller once a deal is made is scummy too, especially in a place that is supposed to be a community. Thats my take on it atleast.
horseshoez
4 of a Kind
GUYS, GUYS, STOP WHAT THE F YOU'RE DOING, MERRIAM-WEBSTER HAS THE DEFINITION....
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dic...g : money especially in,on that piece of cake
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dic...g : money especially in,on that piece of cake
RichMahogany
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Missed opportunity for a Rick roll
I did use "Mine!" a couple of times... didn't mean it to be rude at all, I was just so excited and it's short 'nuffYeah I know
horseshoez
4 of a Kind
Even the urban dictionary has it, never mind just Merriam-Webster. It's all over the place,
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dibs
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dibs
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
And honestly, these "buyers" need to be outed as well.
That's all fine and good, but I just feel that some people use "PM Coming" synonymously with "dibs"....sometimes. Other times, it seems like a way to buy time for negotiation. It just has no meaning, and is ambiguous. Thus, I find it annoying. When people use "PM Coming" in my sales ad, and I am not inclined to take the lowball offer, I feel the need to go back in and post "item still available", so there is no lack of clarity. If ya got a question, ask it. No need for "PM Coming'. I'll see it when I get it!
Watch how often someone will post "PM Coming", then the next post will be "Great pick-up, man". Maybe it will be less often now, since there is a spotlight on all this.
I think if you hate offers that don't fulfill the requested price you could include in your posting, "If you make a lowball offer I will virtually decapitate you and place you on my 'ignore' list forever you sleezy cheap scumbag!" A warning like that would certainly dissuade me from making a low offer
This is a very good idea. I am quoting you on my next sale for which I do not wish to entertain offers.
stavman
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Then rules need to be defined when the deal is locked up.
I say it’s when both parties have communicated via pm, and details are ironed out. If you sell to someone after that then the seller is in the wrong. My drama started when I sent pm offering more for both racks when people had posted to just taking oneach.
In my mind I’m doing the seller a favor one shipping address and more $. This wasn’t in closed thread and the seller I believe has not responded to either party. How the seller wants to handle that is on him and not me.
I also found this interesting when just researching the dibs system.
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I’m just getting tired of all these special fucking requests. If one of these is you, I’m not talking about you, just the sum of it all is annoying.
In recent payments, can I do installments, can I pay via Amazon gift card, can I send a visa gift card, can I pay in part with these chips, do you have chip xyz that I can see it with. And these are AFTER they’ve asked for the chips publicly.
Again I’m not annoyed by doing it. I’ll say fine every time to help out, sure pay installments, pay via some card, whatever. But the fact that it’s so prevalent, and everyone’s so okay with putting sellers in this position.
Seriously, this “community” bs has come and gone, and those left holding onto it are too often taken for a ride or put in awkward positions. I feel like I work at McDonald’s making special orders all day.
In recent payments, can I do installments, can I pay via Amazon gift card, can I send a visa gift card, can I pay in part with these chips, do you have chip xyz that I can see it with. And these are AFTER they’ve asked for the chips publicly.
Again I’m not annoyed by doing it. I’ll say fine every time to help out, sure pay installments, pay via some card, whatever. But the fact that it’s so prevalent, and everyone’s so okay with putting sellers in this position.
Seriously, this “community” bs has come and gone, and those left holding onto it are too often taken for a ride or put in awkward positions. I feel like I work at McDonald’s making special orders all day.
Fine, you do you. But will you take Bitcoin?
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And part of this is just me needing to nut up. Every sale seems to be a dib then haggle, is this your lowest price? I’ll go ahead and take care of shipping for you. Thanks.
Meanwhile I don’t think I’ve quite ever asked someone to take money off or eat the shipping.
JustinInMN
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Absolutely agree. Dibs doesn't finalize anything and the problem is people that mark dibs want to demand satisfaction without this communication.
And @David O is smart on this. There is no way anyone can force a seller to honor dibs if he has a reason not to.
JustinInMN
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I need a large fries, No salt on half and double salt on the other half please.
stavman
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Well that’s insane. I’ve been offered crypto but that’s the weirdest thing I’ve had happen to me.
colter ripton
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I feel like it is fine to work out something with the seller. I just dont like when someone says dibs and then tries to get a lower price. Dibs should be dibs.
Actually though I have asked for time to pay before after I claimed dibs so that is a little hypocritical of me. When I make a big purchase alot of times, I need to sell some chips inorder to not piss off my wife. So I have asked for a little time to pay, if the seller is ok with it. I also tell them that if they are not ok with it I can pay now and sell some chips later, but if they don't mind I'd take a couple days.
I probably shouldn't do that anymore, I can see how it puts the seller in a spot. I usually only do it for large purchases and with people I have dealt with before though.
horseshoez
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Shut up and get me my Monster Mac with a chocolate shake. Make it snappy, I’m not waiting here all day.
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Yeah that’s why it was the caveat of it’s not one single instance. Totally wiggle room. And I’ve done the same thing.
Hell when I was buying and selling like a maniac, I liked to be able to pay in one day - no financial reason or anything, just way easier for me to track. I’m totally cool with those. Hell I think I’ve asked you for a day or two to pay, we’ve paid in part with another purchase, etc.
It’s just with some folks, they leave you feeling greasy, and you’re left with what feels like be a good chipper and let me slide or stand firm.
stavman
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Dibs ain’t real. So no.
tootsmagoots
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How is this not a witch hunt?
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