Amazing work! I feel like it needs a web mold somewhere in there to make this a full @justincarothers tribute.
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What design of cards should we make next? (40 Viewers)
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GeeOhVee
Pair
These are great!
Well, I tried.. and in half a dozen different ways and coundn't find a natural fit without degrading the overall balance. But... all that re-looking made me do 10 other tweaks to things that only I would likely ever notice.. lol. Mockups updated in original post.
Edit.. Also, just adding to the past post: What I tried to do just for those curious as to how I went where I did... lets talk about theme elements. I designed the card I think clearly with a nautical theme, but the theme I was actually trying to target was a search for pirate gold (very subtlety!).
Element breakdown (some obvious, some not):
A. Crossbones (slightly down-shifted as well as a nod)
B. Horizon - waves under moons (night time)
C. General waves (near-sea)
D. Break visually.. but using the scroll pattern to symbolize opening a map
E. Starting to use some more tribal/mayan style design queues.. similar to pirate gold. As well as rounded rectangles that emulate coin ridges
F. Compass, in which the coin is the center of
That all said, I didn't want anything to be in your face style-wise.. it's also quite a bit of pain to balance busy-space vs empty space I've found, as well as make sure everything is mirrored. Major respect now to card designers! Definitely pulled out a handful of decks to get inspiration from and help with general layouts.
Was a fun project! If @justincarothers decides to use eventually, all his.. otherwise I'll be forced to print some ha.
And yes I could have marked up those letters nicer, but snipping tool is fast and I'm lazy right now.
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Nice! I love the theme. I saw E and my mind immediately went to Greek mold, then the scroll mold on the outside for D. Looks very cool.
buffalojim
Royal Flush
Great work, this is very cool. If this design can be made in multiple colors, bridge, jumbo with the suggestions Roc mentioned on page 1 I am in for some setups.
Just curious, any thought of doing a more standard Ace of Spades? Like the current design, but thinking there might be more potential mass-appeal if something like Kem's example on the prior page was done. Take of leave the though! Did a very quick mockup just to get a feel.
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OP
OP
I like where this is going
MtyingPkts
Sitting Out
I would purchase a large order if this is the case, maybe 100 decks or so, in poker size Jumbo index
themadnessbeast
Sitting Out
Would love to see option C. I actually have this as my mac background after god knows how many years. Simple and subtle by taking one of the shapes or even all of them.
Alright folks.. working with Justin and trying to comprehend some of the suggested changes on past pages... take a look (just showing spades for now):
Changes:
Changes:
- Font changed to "Card Characters" - tried to emulate more standard card fonts
- Changed spades to more of a classic looking spade
- A-10 moved to cream back, J-K moved to white back
- Spacing/sizing adjusted on all.. pulled out a caliper to my Fourniers to try to emulate as much as possible
- Pip box resized to be a bit taller (similar to Fournier/KEM)
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OP
OP
@RocAFella1 see above
MtyingPkts
Sitting Out
Nice!! I'm liking this, But maybe have the figures inside the yellow squares a little larger?
Here's a 10% size increase on the inner pips - (4 increased, 5 original). Personally I think I prefer the original which has more of a contrasting size with the outer pip under the number. But could see an argument either way. The original size is also at parity with Fournier's sizing.. but doesn't mean we have to follow.
Ok, seems like all the changes are aiming to make these look like some other cards on the market. Copaq style backs (meh), Piatnik style cream boxes, Kem style ace of spades (the original Arrowhead AOS was classic 
).
I understand the mass appeal aspect, and I'm probably not the real target audience here, and as long as the feel/cardstock/playability doesn't change these will still be great cards. But style wise they are moving away from the unique style that drew me in to begin with.
Will keep following.
).I understand the mass appeal aspect, and I'm probably not the real target audience here, and as long as the feel/cardstock/playability doesn't change these will still be great cards. But style wise they are moving away from the unique style that drew me in to begin with.
Will keep following.
MtyingPkts
Sitting Out
I'm liking the 10% increase a, lot less empty space. Maybe a 5% increase on the outer pip to keep that contrast between the outer and inner shapes?
MtyingPkts
Sitting Out
I think the box margin did the trick!!!
Ok, seems like all the changes are aiming to make these look like some other cards on the market. Copaq style backs (meh), Piatnik style cream boxes, Kem style ace of spades (the original Arrowhead AOS was classic
I understand the mass appeal aspect, and I'm probably not the real target audience here, and as long as the feel/cardstock/playability doesn't change these will still be great cards. But style wise they are moving away from the unique style that drew me in to begin with.
Will keep following.
My feedback is somewhere along these lines too. I feel like these design updates take away from some of the character of these cards. I personally liked the arrowhead AOS and have conflicting feelings about having a person's face there instead.
The classic fonts are nice but, again, sort of strips away some of the personality of the old cards. I understand the issues of the initial number designs, but felt the latest green/blue ones struck a nice balance. The cream boxes are a nice touch. I liked the old backs but don't mind these new ones either, especially with a few PCF easter eggs.
Overall, if the goal is to create cards with mass-market appeal, this is a homerun and instantly the best value on the market (imo) if the prices stay the same. If the goal is to create a unique setup (also at a great value) this falls short.
This is just one man's opinion. I appreciate all of the work here; it's really cool to see and follow along with it and have the opportunity to provide feedback
. I'll likely be buying a few setups regardless.
I guess my running thought was these don't necessarily need to be a replacement for the old, but an additional offer - call these platinum series, limited, or something. But obviously all Justin's call, and in the end demand can shape if both live or not too I would assume.My feedback is somewhere along these lines too. I feel like these design updates take away from some of the character of these cards. I personally liked the arrowhead AOS and have conflicting feelings about having a person's face there instead.
The classic fonts are nice but, again, sort of strips away some of the personality of the old cards. I understand the experience of the initial number designs, but felt the latest green/blue ones struck a nice balance. The cream boxes are a nice touch. I liked the old backs but don't mind these new ones either, especially with a few PCF easter eggs.
Overall, if the goal is to create cards with mass-market appeal, this is a homerun and instantly the best value on the market (imo) if the prices stay the same. If the goal is to create a unique setup (also at a great value) this falls short.
This is just one man's opinion. I appreciate all of the work here; it's really cool to see and follow along with it and have the opportunity to provide feedback
I think that's a great positioning to take with these.
Dude I think your work is fantastic, I don't want to come off as being too negative just don't want to see too much of the uniqueness of these card changing. As a separate offering your stuff looks great and as long as the other style are still offered it's all good. Keep it up.
One other thing I don't really understand.... the cream/no cream colored boxes everyone likes. To me they should either all be cream filled or not be filled. Count cards and court cards. If they are going to be different shouldn't the court cards be colored to designate they are more important rather than the count cards?
My feedback is somewhere along these lines too. I feel like these design updates take away from some of the character of these cards. I personally liked the arrowhead AOS and have conflicting feelings about having a person's face there instead.
The classic fonts are nice but, again, sort of strips away some of the personality of the old cards. I understand the issues of the initial number designs, but felt the latest green/blue ones struck a nice balance. The cream boxes are a nice touch. I liked the old backs but don't mind these new ones either, especially with a few PCF easter eggs.
Overall, if the goal is to create cards with mass-market appeal, this is a homerun and instantly the best value on the market (imo) if the prices stay the same. If the goal is to create a unique setup (also at a great value) this falls short.
This is just one man's opinion. I appreciate all of the work here; it's really cool to see and follow along with it and have the opportunity to provide feedback
I'm just a little card nut, but I'm gonna have to agree here.
What I like/look for are nice/good enough/feel great cards with unique design cues.
Hence my love for those Hermes cards posted earlier. The face cards and fonts are great. Also why I love Desjgn and Faded Spade. The cards are just unique.
As much as I love playing with KEMs from the feel, I prefer the more "fun" designed cards. I get more enjoyment from the design, facecards, fonts than the feel. The unique design is special for me.
So.... because everyone piles on with their opinions and it makes it hard to make a decision (but I'm gonna join in anyway)..... I love the Cratty designed back design. But I'm overall not too picky about that on my cards.
And the rest of it.... keep the unique Broken Arrow look, Broken Arrow face card look, Broken Arrow fonts etc. I think your blue & green setup looks amazing. Love the design and artwork. Fonts are very nice (though slight personal preference for non-serif fonts).
If we wanted fonts or face card artwork that you can get with every other card company, then we'd just buy the Copags / KEMs / Piatnik or whatever.
You've gotta be Broken Arrow.
Personally agree with all the points... but just to add to my prior point: I also love very custom looking cards, but I would limit my purchase quantities to a few decks.. that's where my personal wallet will gravitate toward Fournier, Modiano, KEM, etc. That's why I think there's two product lines here, and think it's worth distinguishing between the two:
1. Broken Arrow heavy-themed cards (OG), which will appeal to the custom crowd.. but generally lead to smaller individual purchase quantities and those playing usually higher stakes (concern around anything that might drive confusion, readability, etc)
2. Broken Arrow mainstream cards, which will appeal to a larger crowd and compete with larger purchase orders. Can also reach much of the same population that already ordered #1 and dont have additional order plans.
Goal of the above is to compete with the mainstream brands IMO at a fractional cost, not replace the custom. If anything having a solid mainstream line will allow for more custom one-off designs I would assume, but we'll see!
1. Broken Arrow heavy-themed cards (OG), which will appeal to the custom crowd.. but generally lead to smaller individual purchase quantities and those playing usually higher stakes (concern around anything that might drive confusion, readability, etc)
2. Broken Arrow mainstream cards, which will appeal to a larger crowd and compete with larger purchase orders. Can also reach much of the same population that already ordered #1 and dont have additional order plans.
Goal of the above is to compete with the mainstream brands IMO at a fractional cost, not replace the custom. If anything having a solid mainstream line will allow for more custom one-off designs I would assume, but we'll see!
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To that point... could do something like add "Professional Series" to the cards.. kind of like this personally. Also worth noting that the Chief face is not an actual human's face or specific tribe - was also concerned there about use of someone's actual likeness - used AI to get a starting point to avoid that.
Also hearts have been completed too.. hoping to have all done tonight or tomorrow (outside of other edits that might be desired). But hey, if not used no biggie.. fun regardless to do this, and could take learnings to next set!
Also hearts have been completed too.. hoping to have all done tonight or tomorrow (outside of other edits that might be desired). But hey, if not used no biggie.. fun regardless to do this, and could take learnings to next set!
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