Would you speak up, or every man for himself? (1 Viewer)

[legonick]

playing sheriff is a bad idea in these situations. Nothing good comes of it. Generally super obvious who the angle shooters are. Use the information for your self and if no one else knows the rules or sees what’s going on that’s their issue. If your not in the hand keep your mouth closed

There is an argument to be made that something good does come of it, outside of "policing the game" and discouraging angle-shooting - you get to see his hand!

 

[grebe]

Funny I just came across this following another thread. In case you think my scenario is unrealistic. You can skip to the 7 minute mark to get to the meat of the topic....because the hand history is not important to the conversation.

 

[grebe]

Also worth a listen on a similar topic, OPTAH:

 

[upNdown]

Funny I just came across this following another thread. In case you think my scenario is unrealistic. You can skip to the 7 minute mark to get to the meat of the topic....because the hand history is not important to the conversation.

I remember watching this a few months ago. I'm not surprised it happened, but I was kind of shocked that the guy would admit to it, and try to say, well I was on tilt, so that's why I did it. That's a lie.

 

[grebe]

I remember watching this a few months ago. I'm not surprised it happened, but I was kind of shocked that the guy would admit to it, and try to say, well I was on tilt, so that's why I did it. That's a lie.

Yeah. But hopefully Bart converted him away from the dark side and he (hopefully) made his victim whole.

 

[JustDogbert]

I wouldn't say a word. But I cut my teeth playing in some shady games and have even played with some (legitimately) "connected" people. The rule is, even if you catch someone blatantly cheating (which I have), you wait a couple hands (fold, maybe call one bet), cash out and go home. If you start running your mouth, you might catch a beating and are guaranteed to go home with empty pockets.

Now, I play mostly in home games with friends, for bullshit (or should I say "mediocre" ) stakes, so maybe it would be safe to run my mouth in that environment.

Old habits die hard.

 

[LaBestiole]

In my home game, in case of strong suspicion of angleshooting, I would definitely interrupt the action after the muck but i make sure the mucked cards are indentifiable/retrievable (so that if angler’s hand doesn’t match his wordings, the victim can still claim the pot based on robert’s rules). I ask the angler to table his hand and I neutrally / not-related-to-this-particular-hand remind everyone the associated rules. If he’s not angling, it doesn’t change anything. If he is, then i dgaf about upsetting an angleshooter. I do so because these sorts of things can easily degenerate and because « cards speak for themselves »...

 

[Steve Birrer]

Been out of pocket for a bit so just catching back up. One last point to make. Its a rule. Rules exist for a reason. But the clincher is this - when you let a someone slide on a rule then how do you enforce some other rule? Just who gets to decide which rules you are going to enforce and which you aren't. Its just a giant can of worms when you get into the pick an choose world.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

It’s Scotland mate. Nobody’s giving up money without proof

 

[Nuhockey]

This is called "Kneecapping". Where someone announces a hand and then doesn't show or says they made a mistake and turns over something else after their opponent mucks. My very first live Poker hand at a casino which was at the Trump Taj Mahal would you believe I got Pocket Aces. I was so stoked. The best hand you could get right out the gate. It was me and another older gentleman in his 60s that both got all our money in. I would say we put in about $150 each. When it comes time to showdown after the river I was so excited I was ready to rake in the money when the dealer says let's see them. The guy says, "I have two pair". I was dejected and threw my aces in the muck. As soon as I mucked my cards he then says oh I read my cards wrong I have nothing and turned over nothing. I was livid inside. The guy next to me took me to the side and explained to me that I got Kneecapped and that this old guy tries to do it all the time to newer players. Safe to say I learned my expensive lesson the hard way and thankfully it was on my first time. I from then on never muck unless I see the other person's hand or I just flip my hand over.

From my experience I would never do that to anyone, but I would also in a casino not get involved in hand like that unless someone was blatantly cheating. While not exactly cheating it is just a dirty trick. At a home game amongst friends I would say something because it's not cool to F#$K over your friends.