I need help catching a hanger. Possible cheater at the VFW game (2 Viewers)

[Jimulacrum]

100% oh the home game you go to hosted by your softball picture is canceled cause his house was raided by the FBI for child pornagraphy he was sharing in the internet through his neighbors wifi. You never truly know people.

That's an awfully specific example.

 

[wayneomac]

That's an awfully specific example.

Lol wish I was making it up.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

My 2¢:
I play in a weekly bar league game with a rotating dealer and 1 deck. No $, just points for your finishing place that accumulate through the season and gives access to certain games and bonuses at the year-end “big tourney” which does have cash payouts. All that to say it’s not the same as this, but relatable.

There is a HUGE variance in shuffling skills and I’ve certainly picked up on some patterns by some “dealers” who don’t do the standard casino gather/riffle/riffle/strip/riffle/box cut.

The 3 most common things that almost all rec league self-dealers do is that the riffle is (1) “chunky”, (2) they always lead the shuffle with the same hand, and (3) the deck is passed to the right for the cut.

So if you see the bottom card during the deck prep or bridge portion of the shuffle, it’s super easy to follow it.

Ex: King of Hearts on the bottom, dealer divides cards so bottom half is in left hand, left hand leads (drops the riffle first) = King of Hearts still on the bottom. Repeat 3 times = King of Hearts is still on the bottom!

Watch the cut (thick vs thin), and you can either tell for sure, or at least get a great idea, if the King of Hearts is in play, likely to come on the board/burn, or left in the stub at the end.

It’s a huge advantage to know this. I’ve stopped speaking out about it as it’s fallen on deaf ears (like the OP) but there are several decent, alert players at the tables who are clearly watching this and acting on that info.

So it may not be purposeful cheating by Player X, just crappy card handling skills with an obvious “tell” for card location that makes him exploitable by others, too… combined that with some jealousy of your skill set making him feel subconsciously threatened, and you get a Class 1 Asshole.

I’d be curious if he ALMOST ALWAYS leaves the lead shuffle card (from the same hand) on the bottom of the deck, no matter what card it is.

Like I said, just my 2¢.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

So it may not be purposeful cheating by Player X, just crappy card handling skills with an obvious “tell” for card location that makes him exploitable by others, too… combined that with some jealousy of your skill set making him feel subconsciously threatened, and you get a Class 1 Asshole.

This may be the situation. I've never seen him deal the bottom card to himself. Only saw the Ace on the bottom during that first deal. If he is aware then he stopped doing it in front of me. But like I said it was kinda fishy that when I wasn't looking and out of the tourney, he had a loan Ace on 5 of showdowns while on the button.

The thing that started it all was how odd it was that he got steamed at me and forced me out as dealer. It very well might not be purposeful cheating at all. If he is jealous or some shit like that then all I can do is laugh I guess. I do know how to riffle them chips and cards like a pro and I know a lot about urban culture. The guys are always impressed with my obscure hood/rap/stupid-sports knowledge. Plus I make diss tracks and sell bootlegs. hahha

 

[Jimulacrum]

This may be the situation. I've never seen him deal the bottom card to himself. Only saw the Ace on the bottom during that first deal. If he is aware then he stopped doing it in front of me. But like I said it was kinda fishy that when I wasn't looking and out of the tourney, he had a loan Ace on 5 of showdowns while on the button.

Could be this. Cheats know they're doing wrong and would likely smarten up while obviously being observed.

The thing that started it all was how odd it was that he got steamed at me and forced me out as dealer. It very well might not be purposeful cheating at all. If he is jealous or some shit like that then all I can do is laugh I guess. I do know how to riffle them chips and cards like a pro and I know a lot about urban culture. The guys are always impressed with my obscure hood/rap/stupid-sports knowledge. Plus I make diss tracks and sell bootlegs. hahha

If this turns out to be the case, it's pretty hilarious, and I think you should keep updating this thread just for the lulz.

 

[snooptodd]

I swear some folks just cheat because they can. Probably get off on getting away with it, or they just have no sense of ethics and consider any advantage fair game—and the rest of us suckers for playing fair.

The one cheat I've caught was cheating his group of long-time work friends at a $20 buy-in weekly cash game that was about as friendly as a poker game gets. Almost the same crew every week, people making food at home to serve at the game, etc. He'd peep upcoming cards when he was dealing and was probably also rearranging the upcoming cards. Not even a talented cheat, just an opportunist.

From what I could tell, he was cheating this group for as long as 15 years. (The host had been alerted to suspicions that long ago, but couldn't confirm anything.) This is a guy who works in finance. He's not rich but does well for himself. He gambled over a dozen long-term friendships and possible career prospects just to cheat people out of cheeseburger money once a week. What was he getting out of it, $10 or $20 here and there? Really not much. Certainly not worth the risk.

I remember reading this story and thought it was bananas. But knowing you, I'm certain that you were right about it. Crazy town.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I remember reading this story and thought it was bananas. But knowing you, I'm certain that you were right about it. Crazy town.

I thought it was crazy right up until the moment I caught him peeling up the cards, blatantly looking at the upcoming cards, and taking the deck under the table.

Still remember him going around the room shaking hands all teary-eyed on his way out too. What a chump.

 

[WedgeRock]

I get it. I don't care if it's a $5 buyin tournament or a $200 buyin tournament, I WANT TO WIN!

But I'm not risking my reputation over it.