33 in the bb (1 Viewer)

[chkmte]

A "3" would feel nice.

I think you allow the villian to keep the lead in the hand. Check call until river. Then you have a decision to trap or lead that street. Clearly if he checks back on turn you have to lead river with most run outs.

Yes, but if he checks on the turn you've lost an opportunity to build the pot. IMo, the only way most good players (villians) are going to keep betting is if they`re bluffing or have locked up two pair +.

It's interesting, if you ask 100 poker players how to play this hand, you'll probably get about 102 different approaches.

 

[Aaron]

If you check call to river and lead a huge over bet it looks bluffy. Unless a bunch of draws get there

 

[Aaron]

On the other hand if @stocky would've jammed pre flop then this thread would be closed. I feel like this thread is definition of "slow play". Just joking of course, I keep coming back.

 

[stocky]

Ok just woke up.

Hero raises $9 on top. $15 total.

Villain looks at me like I spat at him and calls.

Pot $42

Flop 3AJ

Turn J

So check? Bet?

I'll give my reasoning for check raising at the end.

 

[Aaron]

Open fold he has AA, but seriously you have to bet maybe $20. Leaves you $40ish right? Another half pot bet on river. If he actually has AA/AJ/J3/JJ so be it.

 

[stocky]

Open fold he has AA, but seriously you have to bet maybe $20. Leaves you $40ish right? Another half pot bet on river. If he actually has AA/AJ/J3/JJ so be it.

At this point I feel I can safely discard AA,AJ and JJ from his range. If he hit the flop that hard he is definitely playing back on the flop. He's not one to slow play a hand. Right now after the call I'd range him Ax, Jx KQ K10 or even a smaller pocket pair. He loves to draw so yes he could definitely have a straight draw here. J3 could be in his range but I doubt he opens pre with that hand often.

 

[Adam Crowley]

It depends on your read for this player as to how often he will barrel turn and river. How often he folds when you raise his cbet. And if he will ever fold A2.

This sounds like a fun cash game where mates are always battling each other for no sensible reason and I expect him to hero call most Ax on the river and at worst you will get 2 streets of value when you c/r flop lead turn.

If the above profile is accurate, I would bet a little bigger on the turn (can't remember effective stack sizes now) but I would bet around $28 to make the river call easier for him to make with AT or something.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Effective stacks are only just over $38 (let's say $40) right now, with $42 in the pot.

Bet $15. UTG is probably drawing dead or nearly so, and he may feel like he has to call because he already put that much in on the flop. And once he's called that, he'll be hard-pressed to fold for $25 on the river with an ace or better. I think this may be our most reliable way to get the rest of the money in.

Of course, an ace could always fall on the river and ruin our day. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

 

[stocky]

Utg started with just over $50. $54 to be exact. So far he has $18 invested in the pot leaving him $36.

Are we better jamming here if he is on a draw or Ax Jx?

Here's heroes mistake I think.

Hero bets $20. Villain calls without to much thought. Leaving $16 behind. I actually thought he had more at the start of the hand but that's my bad. I mean if he's calling here he's calling it all right?

So $82 pot. Hero with 33.

Flop 3AJ Turn J

River J........

 

[Dr Newnham]

I don't think that's a mistake. If you managed to get villain to call that $20 and totally committed him. You basically guaranteed to stack him off in the river with most cards.

It's an unlucky run out for you. But you really have to just check fold river and in a way you lost minimum and could've gotten maximum.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I don't think the $20 bet is a mistake, so much as it is unfortunate that one of 5 brutal cards came on the river.

Now basically anything Villain could have beats us, unless he was clinging to 22 or chasing a gutshot to Broadway, and he's probably calling with anything aside from those whiffed gutshots. I don't believe the pot is laying us good enough odds on our $16 to make that call, versus the much larger part of his range made up of hands better than 33.

Grrr, I hate folding in spots like this, though. Feels so stupid. Almost makes me want to believe that he's got that gutshot. If he does, and we fold, that's going to feel pretty foolish.

 

[Adam Crowley]

Both lines vs this player would probably be similar EV. I think the line you took is better overall, you can fold when he sucks out like he did, and in general I think shoving the turn looks a lot stronger and most players will fold out some their range to a shove that they would call turn and sigh call river because of the small bet amount

 

[mipevi]

Shove turn. As played, check river.

 

[DrStrange]

Hero's mistake at the river (and it was a big one) was failing to mention that the dealer forgot to burn before dealing the river and demanding the error get corrected.

Now we check/fold.

 

[doakwolf]

I always lurk and read these hands through with interest but I just hate this hand now!

 

[stocky]

Well the end is obvious. I check, he jams his remaining $16 and I cry fold. The worse things is he'd probably shove that river with anything also when checked to. At least he showed the ace.

 

[stocky]

So why I check raised.

Villain can just as likely have KQ or A rag type hand where he's not confident about his kicker. He is likely betting as a blocker bet. If I flat and check turn he will likely check behind. I thought C/R would be the best way to get stacks in. If he has air he is folding anyway and we weren't likely to get anymore but with the history there's even a chance of him calling air out of spite.

We have played a lot together and we always try to get one over the other guy. There has been countless hands were either of us have called a shove with A or K high and won. The money is second, bragging rights is always first between us (in a friendly way)

 

[doakwolf]

Gutted for hero. Buuuuut, shit happens in poker, eh.

BTW, only 'hated' the hand from Hero's perspective at the river. Otherwise thoroughly enjoyed this strategy read