JRReynolds6181
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I thought we hated Modiano as a general rule.
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I'm not familiar with the Modiano / vendor story on here, I won't lie. Likewise, I must be the only person on here that doesn't like the faces and fonts on Desjgn... Haven't heard a bad word about their performance, however.
It's some nice light reading on a cold night where you have a half hour to burn. Poke around and use the search function and you'll come across it, I'm sure. I only don't bring it up directly because it's still a very sore subject.
I didn't like the fonts initially, or I didn't think I did. I got some in hand and they've grown on me more every time I put them out. I can see how they're not for everyone, though.
Altheman003
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I want to and probably still will try out Desjgn but the pips and face cards turn me off. The reviews are great around here. Does anyone know why they have the pale yellow tint on the inside boxes of all the cards besides the faces?
Whoa! Found it. Jaw was on the floor. Changes my opinion of some of these manufacturers for sure. But it was very cool to see the community come together and try to help get it resolved.
I wasn't a fan of their original non-standard pip layouts; in fact, it was a deal-breaker for me. But their later designs are much more palatable imo, and the performance is simply stellar.
boeller
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Bullet cards all the way. Got a lot of hate for it, most of the people seem to prefer less rigid cards.
If they are not available next best would be bicycle prestige for me.
The worst feeling cards IMHO are copag, they are way to soft.
Need to try the desjgn some day.
If they are not available next best would be bicycle prestige for me.
The worst feeling cards IMHO are copag, they are way to soft.
Need to try the desjgn some day.
DerberAlter
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we had several discussions about this topic
I'd definitely recommend desjgn to you, then -- Fournier, Prestige, Piatnik, and Bullet are my other favs, with Modiano, Kem, and Copag on my no-list (for various different reasons).
Where can you even get Desjgn cards? I'd love to try a few decks. Looks like it's all resales through Etsy from random untrustworthy people.
boeller
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As you are located in the US, you can order it here from @desjgn in his topic:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/ordering-links.16572/
JRReynolds6181
Two Pair
I got a setup of Desjgn for Christmas through Etsy. It’s actually very hip and cool these days to say you use Etsy.
BirdCage
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Probably need another thread for this, but I wasn't aware that joining PCF meant that I had to banish Modiano from my life. I read the Desjgn thread and reviewed the Kickstarter info and it did indicate that a commercial transaction went afoul. Of course we only heard from one party, but nothing written here indicated that it was properly handled by Modiano. That being said, Modiano is over 150 years old and must have done some of their customers right over that time. They do, IMHO, offer many, artful, high-quality & cost-effective playing card options.
Perhaps there is a way to work past this issue (i.e., strongly suggest using extreme caution for a direct, commercial order from Modiano, kind of like an asterisk for a hall of fame player that had an issue of some kind), as I'd guess that many PCF members just want to know that their poker decks are worth the money and can be used while not slighting an entire forum.
What if a PCF site vendor had an issue with a Paulson commercial transaction? Are we all compelled to participate in a group Paulson chip melt?!
JRReynolds6181
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“What if a PCF site vendor had an issue with a Paulson commercial transaction? Are we all compelled to participate in a group Paulson chip melt?!”
Bite your tongue!!! LOL
Bite your tongue!!! LOL
Dix
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No one says you have to. However, some of us have made that decision based on what we feel was an obvious (and I'll try to be kind here) "bad" decision by Modiano to deny a problem even existed. In spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
For myself, it's a principle thing. Does it suck?... yes, it does. Because the Modiano-stock Desjgn cards are my absolute favorite decks of all time. No contest. In fact, I just bought a few more sets of the older Modiano-stock decks that @desjgn & @T_Chan had left while I was still able to.
Could I get the same feeling cards by buying Modianos? Sure. But I refuse to give 10 cents of my money to a company that crapped all over the guy I consider their best (certainly most unique) customer.
Did you see the pictures in that topic? And, if you did, then how in Hades does this make any sense whatsoever?...
That's just plain BS. Maybe I have a unique perspective. I worked in the printing business once, I ran large offset presses after high school. I understand perfectly how & why the issue that happened, happened. Normally, the press operator catches it before it even goes as far as Quality Control. But, once in a while the operator can miss it. Crap happens. It's not really that unusual. Vast majority of time you're over-running enough to make up for it anyway. If not, then you keep the press running a bit longer, no harm, no foul. Once in a great while it slips all the way through all the cracks to the customer. Not the 1st time in printing history it's happened.
(for those who haven't seen the evidence: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/bridge-jumbo-index-issue.24936/)
The question then becomes, how do you resolve the issue? Certainly not by denying there is an issue.
You've got average card players noticing you've got a problem. And you, the alleged industry professional, who should have noticed it before they did, deny there's a problem? Even when given the evidence... with cheat notes.
Sorry, that's absurd.
And, if that's your business practice with regards to customer service.... I'm out.
The 1st step at minimum should have been for Modiano to put on their big boy pants long enough to own up to the fact they screwed the QC pooch. No one would have really ragged on 'em badly for it. Again... crap happens. OK, so maybe doing a full-on replacement run for what amounted to a hundred decks or so wouldn't have been feasible. So, maybe you offer to run 300 decks & only charge half price. Or maybe offer to do a minimum run and over-run it to cover the screw ups at no cost. There's a lot of ways this can be worked out. But, to simply deny it was not one of them.
Depends, would Paulson do something that stupid?
Next step up is a German Shepherd with you at the table
BirdCage
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Please re-what I posted, I'm in agreement that it was improperly handled, from what I read.
We should all proceed as consumers as we see fit, but there is considerable pressure on forum members to hate on Modiano. The event happened a year before I became a member and it is all effectively one-sided hearsay regarding a business (i.e., for profit) transaction. Unless it becomes a forum rule, I'm not going to hate on Modiano. However, I would use extreme caution if I were to enter into custom order agreement with Modiano - requiring that the majority of the payment be made after inspection or it'd be a no go.
I completely agree; we should all decide what the situation between Desjgn and Modiano means to us. Specifically, I read it as the need to take caution before entering another group-buy/custom-order that involves Modiano. However, I will say that after reading through the entire topic, I personally decided to throw business directly at Desjgn for how professionally and openly they handled the problem. Of course, having amazing art also helped
.Desjgn turned around and shipped my order right away and contacted me directly about shipping numbers. Completely professional service in every way.
I had (and still have) several setups of Modianos that were purchased before the @desjgn fiasco. I won’t buy from Modiano because of the crap they pulled, but there’s really no need to anyway. The customer service from @desjgn is great, and the Classic Cultures are far better than any Modiano card I’ve used. If anyone has any Classic Cultures they’d like to trade for Modianos, I’ve got about a dozen unused packages of Modianos that are on the trading block!
Apparently, given all the above, Modiano bosses are crooks, and I woudn't enter any major deal with them. Buying a dozen decks or so, however, isn't one.
Their Platinum acetate must be the best cards in the world at the moment, IMHO.
Their Cristallo 4-jumbo index, in 8 great back colors, still very nicely textured and durable, at $4.5 per deck here, are a steal.
Talking about spoiled businesses living off their reputation, I wouldn't buy a Ferrari, however (unless with lucky money).
Ferrari won't honour their warranty on ceramic disc brakes ($20,000 the four-piece set as spare part) if you track the car, as if the car were good for anything else. The equivalent would be for Jeep to annul warranty if the car is taken off-road.
Their Platinum acetate must be the best cards in the world at the moment, IMHO.
Their Cristallo 4-jumbo index, in 8 great back colors, still very nicely textured and durable, at $4.5 per deck here, are a steal.
Talking about spoiled businesses living off their reputation, I wouldn't buy a Ferrari, however
(unless with lucky money).Ferrari won't honour their warranty on ceramic disc brakes ($20,000 the four-piece set as spare part) if you track the car, as if the car were good for anything else. The equivalent would be for Jeep to annul warranty if the car is taken off-road.
Well Modiano Old Trophy were my first plastic cards. Back then they were great improvement. Since then I played with better cards (worse too). So I still like them, especially jokers and ace of spades design.
Problem with Modiano is that they stock material vary depending on the line (Old Trophy, Golden Trophy, Cristallo and so on).
Other producers keep more consistent quality. So even if for example I do not like Copag I know what to expect buying deck. With Modianos it's a gamble.
I do not reffere to the whole Modiano/Design blunder. First of all it's a matter of professional and ethical misconduct. This situations happened in trade and could be and should be legally solved.
Problem with Modiano is that they stock material vary depending on the line (Old Trophy, Golden Trophy, Cristallo and so on).
Other producers keep more consistent quality. So even if for example I do not like Copag I know what to expect buying deck. With Modianos it's a gamble.
I do not reffere to the whole Modiano/Design blunder. First of all it's a matter of professional and ethical misconduct. This situations happened in trade and could be and should be legally solved.
Dix
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What more do you really need than to know they completely denied there was even a problem?
But, don't take anyone's word for it here if that's not enough. If you must, feel free to ask Modiano yourself for comment... get back to me on how you make out with that.
Hey, with Fiat now in the decision-making pipeline, I wouldn't consider that out of the realm of possibility.
btw this was a completely random deal with a casino shuffle haha would’ve been a huge pre-flop pot
They are also very durable
boeller
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Any experience in getting desjgn cards to a reasonable price in the eu?
None but I would like to get some.
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