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Best Way to Identify Positive/Negative Interactions (4 Viewers)

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RivieraDanny said:
I've been friends with @BamaT8ter for a while and I wouldn'd define him as a flipper..... meh flip vs. market value..... tough distinction
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Huh? When it's our friends, all of a sudden it's a tough distinction. When it's not, we're all happy to pile on.

RivieraDanny said:
THIS. EXACTLY THIS. PERFECT!

well except the nagb stuff. That’s a flip from inception. Period.

Love the pot roast. There’s a few pot roast grabbers here for sure!!
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RivieraDanny said:
Meh …. No speculating on chips. That’s flipping. Buying chips you don’t collect solely to resell at a profit, in some cases beating others to them who may need them for a set is simple douchbagery
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I'm just asking. I personally don't care, I'm not personally labeling anyone anything. I agree, sell your chips for what you want.

By your definitions it appears that you would label his recent activity - if not as a flipper, than apparently as a douchebag and pot roast grabber.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/

We don't just get to ignore objective evidence and suddenly pander about "hmm maybe there's other things to consider....". Now when it's a friend, suddenly we "can't determine intent". But you were sure able to determine intent on all those horrible, detrimental PCFer Paris flippers. And the other 100 instances you've posted on the topic, images of Flipper, etc.

I'm not picking on him, or you. It's simply a perfect example that has come up. As he himself said, keep it consistent.
 
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BarrieJ3 said:
Huh? When it's our friends, all of a sudden it's a tough distinction. When it's not, we're all happy to pile on.



I'm just asking. I personally don't care, I'm not personally labeling anyone anything. I agree, sell your chips for what you want.

By your definitions it appears that you would label his recent activity - if not as a flipper, than apparently as a douchebag and pot roast grabber.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/

We don't just get to ignore objective evidence and suddenly pander about "hmm maybe there's other things to consider....". Now when it's a friend, suddenly we "can't determine intent". But you were sure able to determine intent on all those horrible, detrimental PCFer Paris flippers. And the other 100 instances you've posted on the topic, images of Flipper, etc.

I'm not picking on him, or you. It's simply a perfect example that has come up. As he himself said, keep it consistent.
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I get where your coming from Jeff, completely. And yes I have complained about some radical flips! I also agree with your theory of simply not doing business with those I personally experience or apply my own definition of flipper. I guess my point is, and I'm sure over the years I have participated in, is that the call outs seem to get pretty bad in the threads including name calling and what I saw described as :vulgar images and language".

The Paris threads just pissed me off in particular because the chips were bought at NO RISK, from the cage at face value and the first flippers made it seem that you had to take some serious risk or expose yourself to gambling so that they could make you think the prices were fair. They were not fair, the chips were not hard to get and it was a simple flip, shit their still going for the asking prices of 2 - 2.5 x~! and Junes right around the corner.......

At any rate I just think you either have to determine intent (Very Hard) or blast every flip. or as you mention do nothing at all. This is a difficult one.

We ALL have some Glass on our houses, internet never goes away, and it's always tempting when your standing next to a pile of rocks. (Edit)
 
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RivieraDanny said:
I've been friends with @BamaT8ter for a while and I wouldn'd define him as a flipper..... meh flip vs. market value..... tough distinction. This is why, while I disagree with a 5x flip 10 minutes after purchase, I still agree with @Tommy position as admin on people can sell their stuff for how much they want. While I did post in the mustard threads I also have to agree that when the pile on happens here (alot) these threads morph into some nasty things and derail fast, I almost forgot that @KingWithTheAxe trade thread was a trade thread after a while.

As usual, when everyone's up in arms, other threads develop like this one and others up to BS sale and wanted ads designed to ridicule the "offender" (for lack of a better term at the moment) outright, its gets pretty mean spirited. Threads get removed and immediately more threads are posted. Damn Internet!

You'll never determine intent, you can only suspect... but I think we should hire an expert to tell us EXACTLY what's on a chip seller mind to consult on every deal...
When asked he had this to say!
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You did more than just “post,” in the mustard thread. You berated me, don’t backtrack now... But! I didn’t cry and report you, I just laughed with you at me. Like any normal person should… it’s just poker chips.
 
Oh and I love Pot Roast, no body best be grabbin at my Pot roast!
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KingWithTheAxe said:
You did more than just “post,” in the mustard thread. You berated me, don’t backtrack now... But! I didn’t cry and report you, I just laughed with you at me. Like any normal person should… it’s just poker chips.
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Well in particular cases sir, intent is obvious, as was yours, my point was the fact that I almost forgot in the pile up that it was occuring in your "Trade Ad". I'm not back tracking at all, just checking myself on "Where" posts belong, if they belong.
 
RivieraDanny said:
I get where your coming from Jeff, completely. And yes I have complained about some radical flips! I also agree with your theory of simply not doing business with those I personally experience or apply my own definition of flipper. I guess my point is, and I'm sure over the years I have participated in, is that the call outs seem to get pretty bad in the threads including name calling and what I saw described as :vulgar images and language".

The Paris threads just pissed me off in particular because the chips were bought at NO RISK, from the cage at face value and the first flippers made it seem that you had to take some serious risk or expose yourself to gambling so that they could make you think the prices were fair. They were not fair, the chips were not hard to get and it was a simple flip, shit their still going for the asking prices of 2 - 2.5 x~! and Junes right around the corner.......

At any rate I just think you either have to determine intent (Very Hard) or blast every flip. or as you mention do nothing at all. This is a difficult one.
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At this point it's just willful ignorance though on your part.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
January 26th, member bids on eBay and wins chips. Turns out, it was PCFers bidding against eachother. Wins it for $400 and change.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/
One week later, posts same chips for twice as much, $900.

You are positing that "sure over the years I have participated in" berating and going off on flippers. And now you have to "determine intent (very hard)".

That is politician-level deferring and refusal to communicate on simple, objective facts. It's a ludicrous level of mental gymnastics and hypocrisy.

You literally, within this very thread, tore down the actions noted above. Until it was a friend, then suddenly what applied 24 hours ago no longer applies today.
 
Ah, Paris! Those chips sure were easy to get.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/harvesting-paris-chips-tell-us-your-story.91173/#post-1879113

Nevertheless, I have no problem with someone making $500 for their time.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paris-cash-set-500-1s-400-2s-200-5s.91470/

Yes, I buy chips off site and resell them here at a mark up. That’s the same thing @colter ripton does, but I don’t see anyone saying anything to him about it.

And you might want to include a key fact on those diamond squares: when I decided I didn’t want them, I reached out to the guy I’d outbid (the sale was not on eBay) and offered him the chips at my price. That’s the very definition of flipping, except the opposite.

Considering everything that goes on here, I don’t know how I became the “poster child” for flipping, but I’m finished here. If you don’t want to trade with me, that’s your prerogative. I’ve explained what happened, but I don’t have to justify myself to anyone, @BarrieJ3 (who has had his own issues with trading) least of all.

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BarrieJ3 said:
At this point it's just willful ignorance though on your part.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
January 26th, member bids on eBay and wins chips. Turns out, it was PCFers bidding against eachother. Wins it for $400 and change.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/
One week later, posts same chips for twice as much, $900.

You are positing that "sure over the years I have participated in" berating and going off on flippers. And now you have to "determine intent (very hard)".

That is politician-level deferring and refusal to communicate on simple, objective facts. It's a ludicrous level of mental gymnastics and hypocrisy.
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Not really, and I am fully aware of your animosity toward me and its all good. There's no return favor from me, I get internet personalities. If I was a truly ludicrous level hypocrite as you suggest I'd already be going through your past posts and posting about you passive aggressively, but I don't, I continue to try and understand your viewpoints and interact with you positively even while you twist and turn my comments and try and engineer my image with the readers.

Those that know me, Know me..... no one can change that on an internet forum. I am SURE, that some think I'm an asshole, that's all good too! But that determination from "knowing" someone they've never met in person is also a tough pill. You know, kid of like, I'll have a beer with you in person but not do business with you...... Try and know someone IRL or continue behind the keyboard, it's a choice.
 
BamaT8ter said:
Ah, Paris! Those chips sure were easy to get.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/harvesting-paris-chips-tell-us-your-story.91173/#post-1879113

Nevertheless, I have no problem with someone making $500 for their time.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paris-cash-set-500-1s-400-2s-200-5s.91470/

Yes, I buy chips off site and resell them here at a mark up. That’s the same thing @colter ripton does, but I don’t see anyone saying anything to him about it.

And you might want to include a key fact on those diamond squares: when I decided I didn’t want them, I reached out to the guy I’d outbid (the sale was not on eBay) and offered him the chips at my price. That’s the very definition of flipping, except the opposite.

Considering everything that goes on here, I don’t know how I became the “poster child” for flipping, but I’m finished here. If you don’t want to trade with me, that’s your prerogative. I’ve explained what happened, but I don’t have to justify myself to anyone, @BarrieJ3 (who has had his own issues with trading) least of all.
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Noones making you the poster child for anything. Pointing out that people should be consistent. Your friend considers everyone that does what you do a douchebag and pot roast stealer, to put it lightly. I'm just curious why that doesn't apply across the board.

And yeah, better get receipts there buddy.

CPS Cash, CPS Cash, Raddison Matusi, Cascade Lanes BJ, Tonks, Mardi Gras, CPC Rounders, BCC Hotstamps, Starbursts, royal Set, Roadhouse, LCOs, Aransas, Outpost, Entire off site find of solids, Entire off site find of chairs, Scrubdonks, Aztars, Jack Roulettes, Offsite Pelican finds, Gulfports, Nevada Jacks, CPS a couple more times, Crystal Parks, 8Vs, Hot Stamps, Trainign Chips, DBs, SBs, more CPCs, custom samples, all sold at or below my cost or free.

Every big find I've had off this site (only been 3 so far) all released at and below my cost. Bought up as many chips as I could afford and flew everything into France to try and help EU chippers. Then flew half that back when US chippers bought em :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I got receipts, I've been here for a minute. You can also find where I accidentally had a price increase here in 2019 https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/cancun-25s-full-rack-105.46893/#post-874620 and look up where I charged an extra $40 on elks to Dan.

This ain't about highlighting good deeds because everyones got em, we're not even mentioning giveaways and private donations. It's about letting you know you're barking up the wrong tree, if you want to make an example, much better chances with any number of members (unless it's about shipping, I suck at that).

BamaT8ter said:
Ah, Paris! Those chips sure were easy to get.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/harvesting-paris-chips-tell-us-your-story.91173/#post-1879113

Nevertheless, I have no problem with someone making $500 for their time.
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Nor do I. Also, try reading the thread some time. I spent my first trip to Vegas hauling back racks 2-3 at a time in a small pack in dead heat. That was 2-3 days of nothing but running back and forth between hotel and Paris in a damn furry suit. Well before the rest of the chips all came out and we knew there'd be many (of which are all gone). Was well under whatever I considered MV and I bought same chips back for more. Great point though!

I have no ill will towards you. You're a great example of someone who is doing exactly what the person who receives the most hate here (reallygoodusername) does, and I'm curious why people have a different energy for the two.
 
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RivieraDanny said:
Not really, and I am fully aware of your animosity toward me and its all good. There's no return favor from me, I get internet personalities. If I was a truly ludicrous level hypocrite as you suggest I'd already be going through your past posts and posting about you passive aggressively, but I don't, I continue to try and understand your viewpoints and interact with you positively even while you twist and turn my comments and try and engineer my image with the readers.

Those that know me, Know me..... no one can change that on an internet forum. I am SURE, that some think I'm an asshole, that's all good too! But that determination from "knowing" someone they've never met in person is also a tough pill. You know, kid of like, I'll have a beer with you in person but not do business with you...... Try and know someone IRL or continue behind the keyboard, it's a choice.
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You continue to deflect. This is not an attack on either of you. In any way, shape, or form. This has 0 to do with animosity.

I'm pretty sure that this is the definition of hypocrisy, not me just labeling you something out of anger. In this thread, you have commented on these exact described actions as douchebaggery and a pot roast stealer. @Lil Tuna can correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to spell it out clear as day and you seemed to have willingly agreed with him, as you have previously done multiple times.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
January 26th, member bids on eBay and wins chips. Turns out, it was PCFers bidding against eachother. Wins it for $400 and change.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/
One week later, posts same chips for twice as much, $900.

Now for the above, intent matters.

I don't know why people are getting upset. Objective, substantiated evidence. Repeated actions. Trend.

You came here to chat about identifying positive and negative interactions. I asked for your thoughts on the above example, and now you want to ponder and philosophize on what it all means.
 
So what’s the rule then? I can sell above cost as long as I had to do some walking and got them while wearing a furry costume? Got it! (I’m kidding. Those feet are fucking ridiculous.)

I spend a good bit of time every single day looking for chips off site, and when I find them I often sell them here at a markup. That’s to compensate me for the time I spent finding and obtaining those chips and all the time I spend looking but not finding anything. I nonetheless try to give folks a good deal and, as in the case with the diamond squares and @Beanz, if I find out I outbid a PCFer in the process, I’ll usually offer them the chips at my costs before listing them.

I don’t see that as fundamentally different than what @TheChipRoom does, what any of the harvesters like @casinochipper22 does, or what @colter ripton does.

It’s my take that folks feel differently about @ReallyGoodUsername (if we’re gonna talk about the guy, let’s tag him) because they accuse him of finding out what chips they need and then targeting those specific chips to mark up. That would be like me searching for the Plaza 25c that i know @upNdown is looking for, outbidding him on them, and then offering to sell him those same chips at a big markup. Now, I don’t know if @ReallyGoodUsername does that or not, but those are the accusations. And that’s pretty damn different than buying some chips at an offsite auction that I have no idea another PCFer is also bidding on, winning, not liking the chips, offering them to the PCFer who bid against me at my price, and when he declines posting them on the board at a reasonable guess at FMV.

Look, I get that people can have differing opinions on things. That’s fine. And if you don’t want to trade with me because of mine, that’s fine too. Just hard not to feel a bit singled out here.

And it’s also hard not to feel that this has as much to do with sour grapes over you wanting leaded $5s as any effort to prop the community. Hell, if you’d PM’d me on the $5s and told me what was going on, I would have cut you a deal on them. Instead, well, here we are.
 
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BarrieJ3 said:
You continue to deflect. This is not an attack on either of you. In any way, shape, or form. This has 0 to do with animosity.

I'm pretty sure that this is the definition of hypocrisy, not me just labeling you something out of anger. In this thread, you have commented on these exact described actions as douchebaggery and a pot roast stealer. @Lil Tuna can correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to spell it out clear as day and you seemed to have willingly agreed with him, as you have previously done multiple times.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
January 26th, member bids on eBay and wins chips. Turns out, it was PCFers bidding against eachother. Wins it for $400 and change.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/
One week later, posts same chips for twice as much, $900.

Now for the above, intent matters.

I don't know why people are getting upset. Objective, substantiated evidence. Repeated actions. Trend.

You came here to chat about identifying positive and negative interactions. I asked for your thoughts on the above example, and now you want to ponder and philosophize on what it all means.
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Dude
Just STFU at this point you’re a keyboard warrior douch canoe

I was kinda excited when you came back cause I fkng hate the admins

But now just FFS

Get a fkng life

Between today and yesterdays LGBTQAAIPLMNOP$&/(;$& fuckery I’ve never been more fuck all with this site and chips

Seriously

What a cancer dumpster fire this site has become
 
BamaT8ter said:
So what’s the rule then? I can sell above cost as long as I had to do some walking and got them while wearing a furry costume? Got it! (I’m kidding. Those feet are fucking ridiculous.)

I spend a good bit of time every single day looking for chips off site, and when I find them I often sell them here at a markup. That’s to compensate me for the time I spent finding and obtaining those chips and all the time I spend looking but not finding anything. I nonetheless try to give folks a good deal and, as in the case with the diamond squares and @Beanz, if I find out I outbid a PCFer in the process, I’ll usually offer them the chips at my costs before listing them.

I don’t see that as fundamentally different than what @TheChipRoom does, what any of the harvesters like @casinochipper22 does, or what @colter ripton does.

It’s my take that folks feel differently about @ReallyGoodUsername (if we’re gonna talk about the guy, let’s tag him) because they accuse him of finding out what chips they need and then targeting those specific chips to mark up. That would be like me searching for the Plaza 25c that i know @upNdown is looking for, outbidding him on them, and then offering to sell him those same chips at a big markup. Now, I don’t know if @ReallyGoodUsername does that or not, but those are the accusations. And that’s pretty damn different than buying some chips at an offsite auction that I have no idea another PCFer is also bidding on, winning, not liking the chips, offering them to the PCFer who bid against me at my price, and when he declines posting them on the board at a reasonable guess at FMV.

Look, I get that people can have differing opinions on things. That’s fine. And if you don’t want to trade with me because of mine, that’s fine too. Just hard not to feel a bit singled out here.

And it’s also hard to feel that this has as much to do with sour grapes over you wanting leaded $5s as any effort to prop the community. Hell, if you’d PM’d me on the $5s and told me what was going on, I would have cut you a deal on them. Instead, well, here we are.
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You can do anything. I haven't judged anything you've done.

I'm just trying to figure out what the rules are. I could care less about the flippers and such, PCF is different things to different people.

It's just weird how loud folks are on certain listings and users, but how quiet they are on others. I very respectfully brought up your threads to gain insight, to which unfortunately none of the same "yell it from the mountain" folks have responded to. Maybe I should look closer at the connotation of my language, but it's legitimately written with no emotion. As you said, consistency. The goal wasn't to get people to pile up on you because of one example, it was to get them to stfu on the ones they deem it okay to do so to.

Tl;dr - all me posting did was help me realize that most of the loudest chippers are full of shit and make other people mad.
HaRDHouSeiNC said:
Dude
Just STFU at this point you’re a keyboard warrior douch canoe

I was kinda excited when you came back cause I fkng hate the admins

But now just FFS

Get a fkng life

Between today and yesterdays LGBTQAAIPLMNOP$&/(;$& fuckery I’ve never been more fuck all with this site and chips

Seriously

What a cancer dumpster fire this site has become
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It's a chipping forum my guy, ain't that deep bruv. Hope your outlook on chips and LGBTQAAIPLMNOP$&/(;$ gets better!

Also kinda curious if you know what abusive or aggressive means.
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BarrieJ3 said:
You continue to deflect. This is not an attack on either of you. In any way, shape, or form. This has 0 to do with animosity.

I'm pretty sure that this is the definition of hypocrisy, not me just labeling you something out of anger. In this thread, you have commented on these exact described actions as douchebaggery and a pot roast stealer. @Lil Tuna can correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to spell it out clear as day and you seemed to have willingly agreed with him, as you have previously done multiple times.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/which-one-of-you-outbid-me.100135/
January 26th, member bids on eBay and wins chips. Turns out, it was PCFers bidding against eachother. Wins it for $400 and change.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lj-hot-stamped-diasq-312s-80c-ea.100762/
One week later, posts same chips for twice as much, $900.

Now for the above, intent matters.

I don't know why people are getting upset. Objective, substantiated evidence. Repeated actions. Trend.

You came here to chat about identifying positive and negative interactions. I asked for your thoughts on the above example, and now you want to ponder and philosophize on what it all means.
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I I usually find myself in agreement with Matt @liltuna. We are similar type collectors and he is one of my best friends in real life not just in an Internet forum.

Further calling me a hypocrite and attempting to influence the audience on my personality is fully expected.

As far as pondering and philosophizeing on what it all means, that is a natural progression and request of the thread called identifying positive and negative interactions, I mean unless you posted to inform everyone of how to do so, which in itself would require you to philosophize and ponder that definition while expecting no one else to have their own opinions in the thread.
 
Unfortunately, there is a very small group of members who are not friends of PCF, whose goal is to create toxicity here. They said so themselves. Screens of their colluding have been shared with us. They will say their intent is "this" here, and it's completely the opposite elsewhere. This isn't my first rodeo dealing with problematic members. We'll let them play their games, it will run its course, and the inevitable bans will happen. Then some will angrily make false statements elsewhere, try to create a false narrative. It's the internet. Impossible to make everyone happy. Nothing new really.

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Tommy said:
Unfortunately, there is a very small group of members who are not friends of PCF, whose goal is to create toxicity here. They said so themselves. Screens of their colluding have been shared with us. They will say their intent is "this" here, and it's completely the opposite elsewhere. This isn't my first rodeo dealing with problematic members. We'll let them play their games, it will run its course, and the inevitable bans will happen. Then some will angrily make false statements elsewhere, try to create a false narrative. It's the internet. Impossible to make everyone happy. Nothing new really.

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Those who try and make everyone happy ultimately disappoint everyone!
 
I also admit to being a human being! I've found that I've participated in toxicity at one level here and elsewhere, emotion does that to us all..

I don't wish Ill on PCF or anywhere else. Well maybe some things, but again..........
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