Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (13 Viewers)

[elemeno]

1) dont have to buy, and for that price its not selling. Plus, the 0.39 each is including shipping to the US, and youll wait a few months. What do you think the community should be doing about that?

2a) not too tough, feel free to do it yourself if you want. Not being rude, but I appreciate high resolution art that looks good.

2b) because you want the item. Illegal or not, you're paying for it, why not pay the artist 2 or 3 cents a chip? Lol at you buying the illegal things but being frustrated the artist that made the illegal thing is getting a few bucks.

You're already looking at buying the cheapest chips out there, and now you're complaining about paying $30ish/1000 chips to the artist. I dont mind the discussion about whether its ethical to rip off casinos (LOL) but to consider the artists as predatory is just silly.

1) I think "thread crapping" should be allowed.

2a) Please see what I wrote above to TX_Golf_N_Poker.

2b) I want Cards Mold. I don't want Aria/Bellagio clones. I am 100% onboard with paying an artist for original artwork.

 

[elemeno]

1) No one is being forced to buy anything, so no one is being ripped off. The "community" has no say in what two individuals agree on as a price for a set to change hands. Yes, that set is overpriced and that's part of why it's sitting unsold. There's also the point that if you want to order a set from Tina, there's a 2-3 month wait before you will have them in hand. Is it worth a little more if someone is selling exactly what you want and you can get it in less than a week? Maybe, so it's up to buyer and seller to determine how small or large that premium should be.

2) The files submitted to Tina to produce any cards mold sets need to be in specific formats. Do you know how to produce those files? If so, then create them yourself. If not, then a couple pennies a chip paid to the artist for his time and talent to create the needed files seems like a pretty reasonable request. The graphic artists we have here on PCF that I've worked with are extremely reasonable. Isn't that the way our economy works? If you can't do something yourself, you pay someone else who has the skills to do it for you?

1) I guess that makes sense, but it would be a shame if I, or another new member, bought at a rip-off price in the spur of the moment/without doing diligence.

2) I strongly disagree with you, but not everyone has the same set of principles. For example, I wouldn't reproduce the Tiger Palace chips onto the Cards Mold without kk405 and/or JeepologyOffroad's express consent. Since I wouldn't do that, I also wouldn't do the same thing to Aria/Bellagio.

Sorry, I also forgot to add a question for TX_Golf_N_Poker: since you believe in ensuring that an artist's time and talent is properly compensated, does this mean that the original artist that worked with Aria/Bellagio is also fairly compensated? If Aria/Bellagio (or their artist) is not compensated, can you please explain why they don't deserve a cut but the person who copied their art does?

 

[Lil Tuna]

Because, one day, the flipper might have exactly what you need.

Exactly!
It’s what makes retirement from what this hobby has more or less become such a beautiful thing. Nothing quite like not giving a FUCK what the D Bags around here do anymore!

Honestly, I think what actually bothers me more than the flippers are the old school chippers who have changed their stances on things that they used to feel very sacred about.
It really makes it tough knowing who you can do a solid for anymore, that’s MOST disappointing IMO.

 

[upNdown]

Exactly!
It’s what makes retirement from what this hobby has more or less become such a beautiful thing. Nothing quite like not giving a FUCK what the D Bags around here do anymore!

Honestly, I think what actually bothers me more than the flippers are the old school chippers who have changed their stances on things that they used to feel very sacred about.
It really makes it tough knowing who you can do a solid for anymore, that’s MOST disappointing IMO.

I appreciate that. But if you’re talking about flipping, it’s a tough subject to wrap your hands around. When I showed up, and for years thereafter, I took the anti-flipper stance. I’d much rather be part of a community of people who appreciate chips for what they are than for how much they can sell them for.
But over the past few years, I began to feel like a chump. It’s not just when you sell your chips to somebody at cost, and they turn around and flip them for 3x a few months later. That hurts, but those are just life lessons. It’s the gradual realization that if every time you buy chips you’re paying inflated “market” prices, but then every time you sell chips you sell them at cost, it’s just that the economics don’t really work. You feel like a long-term chump.

I’m still not comfortable flipping chips - I still pretty much sell them at cost. It’s easier for me, because I don’t buy and sell a lot, at least not in quantity. But it’s becoming harder for me to fault the guys who don’t sell at cost. Because at some point you look to your left and right for your community and you realize you’re just a martyr hanging up alone on a cross.

 

[Lil Tuna]

I appreciate that. But if you’re talking about flipping, it’s a tough subject to wrap your hands around. When I showed up, and for years thereafter, I took the anti-flipper stance. I’d much rather be part of a community of people who appreciate chips for what they are than for how much they can sell them for.
But over the past few years, I began to feel like a chump. It’s not just when you sell your chips to somebody at cost, and they turn around and flip them for 3x a few months later. That hurts, but those are just life lessons. It’s the gradual realization that if every time you buy chips you’re paying inflated “market” prices, but then every time you sell chips you sell them at cost, it’s just that the economics don’t really work. You feel like a long-term chump.

I’m still not comfortable flipping chips - I still pretty much sell them at cost. It’s easier for me, because I don’t buy and sell a lot, at least not in quantity. But it’s becoming harder for me to fault the guys who don’t sell at cost. Because at some point you look to your left and right for your community and you realize you’re just a martyr hanging up alone on a cross.

I completely agree with you. At this point you are basically forced to try and get max value out of your chips or only do business with a very limited group of members you trust.

I spent years putting together a few of my sets, most here don’t have that kind of patience. One of my set’s in particular would have been finished 2 years sooner had it not been for the biggest flipper of all time showing up on the scene when they did.

You take that flipper and put him in competition with another already big time known flipper and it just becomes a big dick contest. FUCK EM BOTH!

 

[DMack]

Because, one day, the flipper might have exactly what you need.

Yep, that’s the problem. So many just HAVE to have it. I saw it so many times with a certain individual that was quite the enigma on here for awhile. Person after person bashing the heck out of the guy in PMs, but in public they were fluffing him for all they were worth in the hopes of one day getting what he had. It was really disgusting.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Yep, that’s the problem. So many just HAVE to have it. I saw it so many times with a certain individual that was quite the enigma on here for awhile. Person after person bashing the heck out of the guy in PMs, but in public they were fluffing him for all they were worth in the hopes of one day getting what he had. It was really disgusting.

It’s still disgusting! Best part of it, many of those fluffers didn’t get SHIT for all their fluffing. Sad part, they’d line right up again to take it straight up their asses if the opportunity presented itself.

Yeah, some of us definitely aren’t like them. Happy to report.

 

[RichMahogany]

Yep, that’s the problem. So many just HAVE to have it. I saw it so many times with a certain individual that was quite the enigma on here for awhile. Person after person bashing the heck out of the guy in PMs, but in public they were fluffing him for all they were worth in the hopes of one day getting what he had. It was really disgusting.

According to some BTS videos I’ve watched, isn’t fuffing usually done in private?

Edit: at least not on camera

 

[MrCatPants]

I completely agree with you. At this point you are basically forced to try and get max value out of your chips or only do business with a very limited group of members you trust.

I spent years putting together a few of my sets, most here don’t have that kind of patience. One of my set’s in particular would have been finished 2 years sooner had it not been for the biggest flipper of all time showing up on the scene when they did.

You take that flipper and put him in competition with another already big time known flipper and it just becomes a big dick contest. FUCK EM BOTH!

Every time someone posts about the individual flippers, I'm always like "I think I know who A is, but B might be like three different people, or someone I don't even know about".

 

[upNdown]

In the hopes of one day getting what he had

I have to think that’s also the reason why so many people continually fluffed a certain millionaire. Maybe some of the people fawning over all his sets really were just pure chip admirers. But common sense dictates that his methods had a significant and negative effect on smalltime collectors with thin wallets, especially newer ones. And yet very few people actually spoke up.

But he did it right. He ran one nice giveaway early on, to make it seem like his table scraps might be available. And he made a big deal about his asshat list. The message was clear - be nice to me and maybe there’s something in it for you - and it seems like most PCFers took the message to heart.

This is probably not controversial though.

 

[Lil Tuna]

I have to think that’s also the reason why so many people continually fluffed a certain millionaire. Maybe some of the people fawning over all his sets really were just pure chip admirers. But common sense dictates that his methods had a significant and negative effect on smalltime collectors with thin wallets, especially newer ones. And yet very few people actually spoke up.

But he did it right. He ran one nice giveaway early on, to make it seem like his table scraps might be available. And he made a big deal about his asshat list. The message was clear - be nice to me and maybe there’s something in it for you - and it seems like most PCFers took the message to heart.

This is probably not controversial though.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Every time someone posts about the individual flippers, I'm always like "I think I know who A is, but B might be like three different people, or someone I don't even know about".

Next time we’re in Dallas @MrCatPants.

 

[grantc54]

I have to think that’s also the reason why so many people continually fluffed a certain millionaire. Maybe some of the people fawning over all his sets really were just pure chip admirers. But common sense dictates that his methods had a significant and negative effect on smalltime collectors with thin wallets, especially newer ones. And yet very few people actually spoke up.

But he did it right. He ran one nice giveaway early on, to make it seem like his table scraps might be available. And he made a big deal about his asshat list. The message was clear - be nice to me and maybe there’s something in it for you - and it seems like most PCFers took the message to heart.

This is probably not controversial though.

Let's not be naive. This is a poker chip marketplace, we're mostly here to buy chips.

Up until now I've mostly kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to offend people who one day I may want to purchase chips from. Why would I?

I really DGAF what a bunch of chip nerds think, let them have their silly opinions. Lol. This site has soooo many hypocrites, cliques, childlike morons that it has been a challenge not to speak up. Oh, and just stay away from the Politics forum if you want to keep a good opinion of a bunch of users (spoiler, lots of nut jobs in here).

Now I have everything I want I have a little more freedom. Still not going to tell the guy who has all the pretty chips what I really think, just in case.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Let's not be naive. This is a poker chip marketplace, we're mostly here to buy chips.

Up until now I've mostly kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to offend people who one day I may want to purchase chips from. Why would I?

I really DGAF what a bunch of chip nerds think, let them have their silly opinions. Lol. This site has soooo many hypocrites, cliques, childlike morons that it has been a challenge not to speak up. Oh, and just stay away from the Politics forum if you want to keep a good opinion of a bunch of users (spoiler, lots of nut jobs in here).

Now I have everything I want I have a little more freedom. Still not going to tell the guy who has all the pretty chips what I really think, just in case.

Welcome to the party!

 

[louBdub]

Let's not be naive. This is a poker chip marketplace, we're mostly here to buy chips.

Up until now I've mostly kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to offend people who one day I may want to purchase chips from. Why would I?

I really DGAF what a bunch of chip nerds think, let them have their silly opinions. Lol. This site has soooo many hypocrites, cliques, childlike morons that it has been a challenge not to speak up. Oh, and just stay away from the Politics forum if you want to keep a good opinion of a bunch of users (spoiler, lots of nut jobs in here).

Now I have everything I want I have a little more freedom. Still not going to tell the guy who has all the pretty chips what I really think, just in case.

Out of nowhere…

I like @grantc54 more.

A lot more.

 

[Frogzilla]

But common sense dictates that his methods had a significant and negative effect on smalltime collectors with thin wallets, especially newer ones. And yet very few people actually spoke up.

If it’s who I think you’re talking about, that person seemed to “overpay” (paid a lot but could he have gotten them for less? Maybe but maybe not) for really nice chips. And overpay for cash chips that were really high denominations.

How does this affect people with thin wallets at all?

And what did you want people to say?

 

[upNdown]

If it’s who I think you’re talking about, that person seemed to “overpay” (paid a lot but could he have gotten them for less? Maybe but maybe not) for really nice chips. And overpay for cash chips that were really high denominations.

How does this affect people with thin wallets at all?

And what did you want people to say?

“Thin wallets” is a relative term. I’m of course thinking about somebody like myself who would have happily bought more racks of PCA $5s for $600ish as they became available. But he got pissed one day that somebody refused to sell him any, so the next day he bought all he could find at $1200 per rack. That forever changed the price of those chips, pushing them out of the range of this thin wallet guy.
That is one specific example. Another would be those other red $5s that he spite-bought something like 18 racks at $1600 each, I forget which ones. Bourbon Street maybe? But there’s no doubt that he significantly raised market prices on many chips. At least no doubt in my mind.

What should people have said? I dunno. There was A LOT of ball-washing going on - less of that would have been tolerable. Call him out on his bullshit more often? Yes. Maybe not tag him every time an each of leaded THCs went up for sale? That got annoying.

 

[louBdub]

Can we just say it with our chest please?

@Windwalker - he’s talking about Krish.

As for flippers, I’ve never followed up on who the fuck is who. I buy what I want, from everyone who has what I need.

My set would literally be impossible if I didn’t buy from anyone on earth.

 

[upNdown]

Can we just say it with our chest please?

@Windwalker - he’s talking about Krish.

As for flippers, I’ve never followed up on who the fuck is who. I buy what I want, from everyone who has what I need.

My set would literally be impossible if I didn’t buy from anyone on earth.

Damn, I thought I was keeping it on the downlow

 

[louBdub]

Damn, I thought I was keeping it on the downlow

Say. It. With. Your. Chest.

 

[upNdown]

Say. It. With. Your. Chest.

You’re right. I shouldn’t keep my opinions so quiet.

 

[Frogzilla]

“Thin wallets” is a relative term. I’m of course thinking about somebody like myself who would have happily bought more racks of PCA $5s for $600ish as they became available. But he got pissed one day that somebody refused to sell him any, so the next day he bought all he could find at $1200 per rack. That forever changed the price of those chips, pushing them out of the range of this thin wallet guy.
That is one specific example. Another would be those other red $5s that he spite-bought something like 18 racks at $1600 each, I forget which ones. Bourbon Street maybe? But there’s no doubt that he significantly raised market prices on many chips. At least no doubt in my mind.

What should people have said? I dunno. There was A LOT of ball-washing going on - less of that would have been tolerable. Call him out on his bullshit more often? Yes. Maybe not tag him every time an each of leaded THCs went up for sale? That got annoying.

Seems like you wanted to acquire very specific, very desirable chips and he outbid you. What a shit example of “significant negative effects on thin wallets”.

And have you considered that you do the same thing? That your willingness to buy up PCA’s at $600/rack made it hard for others to get them at $500/rack?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

1) I think "thread crapping" should be allowed.

2a) Please see what I wrote above to TX_Golf_N_Poker.

2b) I want Cards Mold. I don't want Aria/Bellagio clones. I am 100% onboard with paying an artist for original artwork.

1) sure, just use the laugh emoji and enjoy, or especially with a new account ask why theyre so expensive. Youll get some hilarious answers.

2) you're worried about casino profits and IP, I'm not at all, so we can move on lol.

 

[upNdown]

Seems like you wanted to acquire very specific, very desirable chips and he outbid you. What a shit example of “significant negative effects on thin wallets”.

And have you considered that you do the same thing? That your willingness to buy up PCA’s at $600/rack made it hard for others to get them at $500/rack?

You are such a pain in the balls. I gave some specific examples off the top of my head, but I’m pretty sure you understood that there were many many more examples that I just wasn’t listing.
You can disagree with me that he affected the market.
You can say I’m jealous of him.
You could even tell me to shut the hell up because you’re sick of hearing my complaints.
Instead you try to twist my words in the strangest ways. Yeah he bought some chips I wanted. But that was not his sum total effect on the chipping world.
And no, I don’t think I’ve done the same thing. Because I’ve never looked at market prices and then put out wanted ads offering more, just to pry them loose because I need instant gratification. And I’ve definitely never raised market prices out of spite.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

2) I strongly disagree with you, but not everyone has the same set of principles. For example, I wouldn't reproduce the Tiger Palace chips onto the Cards Mold without kk405 and/or JeepologyOffroad's express consent. Since I wouldn't do that, I also wouldn't do the same thing to Aria/Bellagio.

Not sure how you can strongly disagree with me. At no point in my reply did I even address that issue. In fact, I intentionally avoided it due to the shit show that topic created in another thread. My reply to your #2 was why it's appropriate to pay a designer in order to use their files to have Tina print chips for you. Whether or not it's moral or ethical to use those files is a decision only you can make for yourself.

 

[Frogzilla]

You are such a pain in the balls. I gave some specific examples off the top of my head, but I’m pretty sure you understood that there were many many more examples that I just wasn’t listing.
You can disagree with me that he affected the market.
You can say I’m jealous of him.
You could even tell me to shut the hell up because you’re sick of hearing my complaints.
Instead you try to twist my words in the strangest ways. Yeah he bought some chips I wanted. But that was not his sum total effect on the chipping world.
And no, I don’t think I’ve done the same thing. Because I’ve never looked at market prices and then put out wanted ads offering more, just to pry them loose because I need instant gratification. And I’ve definitely never raised market prices out of spite.

I didn’t twist shit, dude. You said he hurt thin wallets. I pointed out he was buying expensive chips, so what are you talking about. You’re just wrong. speaking of twisting words, I never said “he didn’t affect the market”. I pointed out he affected a different market.

Really, what irked me is you accused most of of being shitty by not speaking up, I took offense. It was a stupid, hypocritical thing for you to moan about and you should get knocked off that high horse, that’s the pain in your balls bro. Don’t get up there and you won’t fall off

 

[upNdown]

Really, what irked me is you accused most of of being shitty by not speaking up, I took offense. It was a stupid, hypocritical thing for you to moan about and you should get knocked off that high horse, that’s the pain in your balls bro. Don’t get up there and you won’t fall off

That’s better.

 

[Lil Tuna]

If it’s who I think you’re talking about, that person seemed to “overpay” (paid a lot but could he have gotten them for less? Maybe but maybe not) for really nice chips. And overpay for cash chips that were really high denominations.

How does this affect people with thin wallets at all?

And what did you want people to say?

The “thin wallets” example is a good point and I can’t say I disagree with you on this @Frogzilla.
The reality is that most who sold didn’t have “thin wallets” AT ALL!

And hey, ultimately that was their choices. It sure as hell didn’t do many here any favors. Again, I’m glad I’ve reached contentment with my personal sets.
Many others here may never find that unfortunately.

 

[MeridianFC]

I just want to say, for me at least, selling chips at a profit does not necessarily equal flipping. If you bought (insert now rare leaded whatever) 5, 10, 15 years ago I don‘t expect you to sell them for .85/chip. If you got a great deal from whatever (insert PCF vendor) and you turn around and try to sell them @ 100% mark up two weeks later to folks trying to finish out their set, that’s a douche move whether or not it’s just plain market economics.

I still see folks here trying to help each other out to finish sets, get that sample, locate the collectible, etc. but I understand why some like say @upNdown feel like a chump if they don’t hammer someone on the asking price When the chance comes.

 

[Frogzilla]

That’s better.

I’m in a shit mood because this dope frog hat is actually a lizard and I’m torn whether to buy it and just pretend it’s a frog forever or do I say meh and let it go.

So if I took that stress out a little bit on you, sorry