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Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (31 Viewers)

Frogzilla said:
I’m in a shit mood because this dope frog hat is actually a lizard and I’m torn whether to buy it and just pretend it’s a frog forever or do I say meh and let it go.


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So if I took that stress out a little bit on you, sorry
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Get the hat @Frogzilla, there’d be no question in my mind if I saw you wearing it.
 
MeridianFC said:
I just want to say, for me at least, selling chips at a profit does not necessarily equal flipping. If you bought (insert now rare leaded whatever) 5, 10, 15 years ago I don‘t expect you to sell them for .85/chip. If you got a great deal from whatever (insert PCF vendor) and you turn around and try to sell them @ 100% mark up two weeks later to folks trying to finish out their set, that’s a douche move whether or not it’s just plain market economics.
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IMHO the "if you wait X amount of time" it isn't flipping argument is BS. For me it's all about the play.

What's the difference between mint unplayed chips from last week vs 5 years ago? You just hoarded them longer. "Took me 5 years to figure out I don't play tournaments" lol

There is an aspect of intent, and unless you have a way to read minds then no way to know.

Scenario A - grab a mint rack of chips because I like them and want to use them one day in a set. 2 years later I realize I'm never going to get them in play, someone else can use them and people are paying a lot for them. Sell them for market price 5 years later.

Scenario B - grab a mint rack of chips because I think they could be worth something one day and I like to hoard chips. 5 years later I feel it is the top of the market, sell them at market price.

Scenario C - grab a mint rack of chips at a TCR sale because I like them and want to use them one day in a set. I realize I'm never going to get them in play, someone else can use them and people are paying a lot for them. Sell them for market price 1 week later.

Scenario D - grab a mint rack of chips from a TCR sale because I think they could go up in value. Wait until I feel it is the top of the market, sell them at market price 1 week later.

Which of the above are flipping? What does amount of time from purchase to sale matter?
 
grantc54 said:
IMHO the "if you wait X amount of time" it isn't flipping argument is BS. For me it's all about the play.

What's the difference between mint unplayed chips from last week vs 5 years ago? You just hoarded them longer. "Took me 5 years to figure out I don't play tournaments" lol

There is an aspect of intent, and unless you have a way to read minds then no way to know.

Scenario A - grab a mint rack of chips because I like them and want to use them one day in a set. 2 years later I realize I'm never going to get them in play, someone else can use them and people are paying a lot for them. Sell them for market price 5 years later.

Scenario B - grab a mint rack of chips because I think they could be worth something one day and I like to hoard chips. 5 years later I feel it is the top of the market, sell them at market price.

Scenario C - grab a mint rack of chips at a TCR sale because I like them and want to use them one day in a set. I realize I'm never going to get them in play, someone else can use them and people are paying a lot for them. Sell them for market price 1 week later.

Scenario D - grab a mint rack of chips from a TCR sale because I think they could go up in value. Wait until I feel it is the top of the market, sell them at market price 1 week later.

Which of the above are flipping? What does amount of time from purchase to sale matter?
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It’s like pornography, I know it when I see it.

wink wink
 
MeridianFC said:
This thread has turned into “Controversial PCF Opinions on PCF”
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Yep, I think "new member" LMNO left off the P from his/her name b/c he/she was intending to take a piss at everyone (or certain people) on here, or at least piss them off with some seemingly too well informed for a "new member" hot sports opinions on multiple threads. Makes me wonder how "new" he/she is to the site...

Just my opinion, carry on all and have a great day! And welcome to PCF alphabet man/woman!

TS
 
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louBdub said:
According to PCF….

What’s a thin wallet?

What’s a fat wallet?

I need answers…. Because I sure as fuck don’t know based on what we all spend on dumb little circle disc toys :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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Let’s just say if your here and happen to own a few things that bring you joy because of it, your most likely doing ok. ;)
The only real problems in life are the ones even a fat wallet CAN’T fix.
 
louBdub said:
What’s a thin wallet?
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louBdub said:
What’s a fat wallet?
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grantc54 said:
Let's not be naive. This is a poker chip marketplace, we're mostly here to buy chips.

Up until now I've mostly kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to offend people who one day I may want to purchase chips from. Why would I?

I really DGAF what a bunch of chip nerds think, let them have their silly opinions. Lol. This site has soooo many hypocrites, cliques, childlike morons that it has been a challenge not to speak up. Oh, and just stay away from the Politics forum if you want to keep a good opinion of a bunch of users (spoiler, lots of nut jobs in here).

Now I have everything I want I have a little more freedom. Still not going to tell the guy who has all the pretty chips what I really think, just in case.
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Trust me, when it comes to this, this site is incredibly tame, given the volume, compared to several places I've visited over the years. At least most of the posters, even the ones that aspouse positions I loathe, seem to have some dialogue. There are a microscopic amount of "nutjobs" compared to most corners of forums I have been to. This place is spectacular in comparison.
 
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RagahRagah said:
Trust me, when it comes to this, this site is incredibly tame, given the volume, compared to several places I've visited over the years. At least most of the posters, even the ones that aspouse positions I loathe, seem to have some dialogue. There are a microscopic amount of "nutjobs" compared to most corners of forums I have been to. This place is spectacular in comparison.
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You should check out the politics subforum.
 
JMC9389 said:
I've stayed away from there for almost 4 years. I don't intend to start now and have my opinions of some people absolutely blown away. Ignorance is bliss:)
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When I first popped back in here after years away, I looked and saw there was still a politics forum but it seemed to be contained in a Hazmat area so I felt ok returning.
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
Not sure how you can strongly disagree with me. At no point in my reply did I even address that issue. In fact, I intentionally avoided it due to the shit show that topic created in another thread. My reply to your #2 was why it's appropriate to pay a designer in order to use their files to have Tina print chips for you. Whether or not it's moral or ethical to use those files is a decision only you can make for yourself.
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Sorry, my mistake, I thought you meant that if I could copy someone else's artwork, such as the Aria/Bellagio clones, I should just go ahead and do it. I definitely agree with paying for original artwork.

My question for you, in case you didn't see it:

Since you believe in ensuring that an artist's time and talent is properly compensated, does this mean that the original artist that worked with Aria/Bellagio is also fairly compensated? If Aria/Bellagio (or their artist) is not compensated, can you please explain why they don't deserve a cut but the person who copied their art does?
 
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RansomStoddard said:
Hm, should I pull back the curtain and look into the politics forum?

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Nope.

I was there for a long while, and ultimately blocked myself again. Most everyone there has opinions that are set in stone, most aren't interested in any kind of fact-based discussion or debate, and some of the political opinions are off the deep end crazy.

It was both frustrating and sad for me, and I've been so much happier here since I left.
 
elemeno said:
Since you believe in ensuring that an artist's time and talent is properly compensated, does this mean that the original artist that worked with Aria/Bellagio is also fairly compensated? If Aria/Bellagio (or their artist) is not compensated, can you please explain why they don't deserve a cut but the person who copied their art does?
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Took you four days to solidify a reputation as the guy who asks totally fair questions in extremely good faith.
 
elemeno said:
Sorry, my mistake, I thought you meant that if I could copy someone else's artwork, such as the Aria/Bellagio clones, I should just go ahead and do it. I definitely agree with paying for original artwork.

My question for you, in case you didn't see it:

Since you believe in ensuring that an artist's time and talent is properly compensated, does this mean that the original artist that worked with Aria/Bellagio is also fairly compensated? If Aria/Bellagio (or their artist) is not compensated, can you please explain why they don't deserve a cut but the person who copied their art does?
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If you really want to get into it, like I said, there is an entire thread devoted specifically to this topic. No real need to rehash all of it here.

As the organizer of the first Aria's GB, my stance on that one should be pretty obvious. Those chips are "tributes," not copies. I could be wrong, but I don't believe anyone here has taken the position that colors and spot patterns are intellectual property. The individual who originally commissioned those designs did so as a tribute to a family member whose name is Aria. Thus, the chips are Aria's, not Aria. And the designer specifically changed the shape of the "A" logo so as not to copy the original casino chips. Other than the A logo, colors and fonts, there isn't any artwork on the Aria casino chips.

I have no interest in the Bellagio chips, so I haven't studied them.

My primary interests are within the PCF community. Because we know that Tina's chinese company will use the files that our community designers create, and will print chips for anyone who asks for them, my concern is with educating our members to be conscious of this issue. And to ensure that those who use the design files of our fellow members make an effort to compensate those designers. Whether or not it is ethical to make exact copies of casino chip inlays is a personal decision that each of us needs to make for themselves.
 
elemeno said:
Sorry, my mistake, I thought you meant that if I could copy someone else's artwork, such as the Aria/Bellagio clones, I should just go ahead and do it. I definitely agree with paying for original artwork.

My question for you, in case you didn't see it:

Since you believe in ensuring that an artist's time and talent is properly compensated, does this mean that the original artist that worked with Aria/Bellagio is also fairly compensated? If Aria/Bellagio (or their artist) is not compensated, can you please explain why they don't deserve a cut but the person who copied their art does?
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Its kind of crazy how adamant you are about fair compensation....for casinos. You DO know they're all about suckering people into unfair positions and abusing our base instincts, right? To say something isn't fair to a casino is just bananas. Those artists were paid by Aria/Bellagio/Tropicano in much larger sums.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Its kind of crazy how adamant you are about fair compensation....for casinos. You DO know they're all about suckering people into unfair positions and abusing our base instincts, right? To say something isn't fair to a casino is just bananas. Those artists were paid by Aria/Bellagio/Tropicano in much larger sums.
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Since Walmart is worth billions, it’s perfectly fine to shoplift there. Love the logic. Not one bit surprised.
 
The dude is pressing us to compare apples to penguins hoping for this exact outcome, we absolutely do not need to feed him oxygen.
 

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