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CPC General discussion thread (8 Viewers)

RainmanTrail said:
I would wager good money that David is wrong and that they are in fact plastic. And yes, I fully recognize how silly it is for me to make such a claim when the owner of CPC says otherwise. But I've also done a fair amount of research on this, and I'd be willing to place a large wager on it being the case.
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If you look at the info out there, what chemicals and processes damage them, plus the info around temperatures and pressures they use (softening or melting point), it’s not too difficult to ferret out their base ingredients. I’d side with @RainmanTrail here.
 
ekricket said:
If you look at the info out there, what chemicals and processes damage them, plus the info around temperatures and pressures they use (softening or melting point), it’s not too difficult to ferret out their base ingredients. I’d side with @RainmanTrail here.
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This is actually a good point. Look at the correlation here.

- plastic cannot survive close proximity to a nuclear blast. Neither can CPC chips

- plastic breaks when subjected to repeated blows with a heavy hammer. So do CPC chips.

- plastic survives mattb’s gas. So do CPC chips (largely)

- when thrown with enough force, plastic will go right through a man. I’ve never tried it with CPC chips but I’ll report back next time someone sucks out on me.

Leaning heavily towards CPC being plastic but for now the jury is out.
 
bergs said:
This is actually a good point. Look at the correlation here.

- plastic cannot survive close proximity to a nuclear blast. Neither can CPC chips

- plastic breaks when subjected to repeated blows with a heavy hammer. So do CPC chips.

- plastic survives mattb’s gas. So do CPC chips (largely)

- when thrown with enough force, plastic will go right through a man. I’ve never tried it with CPC chips but I’ll report back next time someone sucks out on me.

Leaning heavily towards CPC being plastic but for now the jury is out.
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David Spragg said:
Plastic content of CPC chips is 0%. Just to clarify, that is zero.
Actual clay content is not 30% as stated somewhere else in this thread. The old CT post stated that NON clay content is about 30%. it's actually closer to 40%.
Try this
Clay - 60%
Other naturally occurring minerals/ingredients - 30 to 38%
Other ingredients (including the brass although you could argue that is mineral) 2 to 10%.

For info, Paulson now is around 50/50 clay & minerals/plastic
TRK was around 70/30
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Given that quote, I'm genuinely perplexed when reading other's assertions on clay chip composition. It seems to come down to the definition of what plastic is. Otherwise, I have no idea how to reconcile the very differing opinions expressed on CPC composition.
 
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Fact: CPC is made from 100% unicorn shit. Alright let's focus now people!! Christmas in January!!
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drdr said:
Given that quote, I'm genuinely perplexed when reading other's assertions on clay chip composition. It seems to come down to the definition of what plastic is. Otherwise, I have no idea how to reconcile the very differing opinions expressed on CPC composition.
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There is no ambiguity here. ALL "clay" chips are compression molded thermoplastics. TRKs, Paulsons, Burt Co., ASMs, and CPCs. It's not some small tiny fraction of some majority clay mix either. They are thermoplastics. The suppliers might refer to the materials as "clay", but I assure you, they are not clay. Even if David believes otherwise.
 
RainmanTrail said:
There is no ambiguity here. ALL "clay" chips are compression molded thermoplastics. TRKs, Paulsons, Burt Co., ASMs, and CPCs. It's not some small tiny fraction of some majority clay mix either. They are thermoplastics. The suppliers might refer to the materials as "clay", but I assure you, they are not clay. Even if David believes otherwise.
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Ummmmm….
Suspicious Kenan Thompson GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
bergs said:
Spragg doesn’t need orders. He just needs people like Rainman to bet against him when he has perfect knowledge over what goes into every chip.
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I love that you assume he would have "perfect knowledge" of what goes into every chip. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: Classic
 
RainmanTrail said:
Yes, I'm sure.
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When I think thermoplastics…I think about petrochemical derived polymers that are melted, molded, and cooled. There is no compression happening. “Clay”…I think of tiny bits of sediment (synthetic or natural) combined with water…this combination of materials can be compressed with enormous amounts of pressure to drive out the water and “reorganize” the tiny grains to a tightly packed super pretty gambly chip. I can definitely see the clay mixture containing all kinds of stuff.

I’m not saying I know anything…this is just my imagination.

Bottom line to me is that clay is a term that describes grain size…it’s rarely (even in nature ) a homogeneous mixture.

I have a joke….a ceramic engineer and a polymer chemist walk into a bar. They didn’t go to the same classes…mostly.

My joke needs work.

In all seriousness…I’m curious. Not being a dick. What polymer are you thinking is being compressed to make clay chips?
 
ekricket said:
Well I’d start with what polymers were available when they started making chips.
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Just to be clear…I’m not saying the “clay” doesn’t have “some” thermoplastic additives.

I’m just having trouble understanding how a CPC, Paulson, etc is 100% thermoplastic. Not computing for me…but I’m just a glue salesman.
 
RainmanTrail said:
I love that you assume he would have "perfect knowledge" of what goes into every chip. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: Classic
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He literally owns the fucking company. If he isn’t carrying the information around in his head, I’m sure he could call Jamie before he books the bet with you and Jamie would put down the 120lb 4 feet long wrench that he carries everywhere and give him the answer.

I think you should propose the wager - if for no other reason that I want to relive the “You drafted Frank Gore” experience.
 
LowerBama1714 said:
Just to be clear…I’m not saying the “clay” doesn’t have “some” thermoplastic additives.

I’m just having trouble understanding how a CPC, Paulson, etc is 100% thermoplastic. Not computing for me…but I’m just a glue salesman.
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There are additives obviously
 
bergs said:
He literally owns the fucking company.
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Yes, and I'm claiming that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Spragg also previously claimed that TRK chips did not use heat in their manufacturing process and were "cold pressed" (utter nonsense).

If you want to know how chips are made, here is a link to a 24-page document that explains the entire manufacturing process and fabrication methods for all types of casino chips in great detail (link below). It talks about the material science, tooling, molds, die cutting, the moulding process, extrusion, the calendaring process, sheet cutting, compression PSIs used, compression temperatures, cure times, edge spot cutting and insertion, etc. Anything you'd ever want to know is pretty much in there. The document also has pictures taken from inside ASM/CPC and has diagrams taken from Paulson and TRK training materials in it.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3648279/game-counters-and-casino-chips-roulette-research

Here are a couple of relevant screenshots:


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Also, a few years back, someone posted a bunch of TRK chip order cards that they aquired from somewhere, some of which contain the materials/formula used for various colors/chips. The material listed in those formulas which makes up the majority of the volume of the chips was a dry vinyl thermoplastic. Here is one of those cards taken from a Boulder Club Casino order.

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RainmanTrail said:
Yes, and I'm claiming that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Spragg also previously claimed that TRK chips did not use heat in their manufacturing process and were "cold pressed" (utter nonsense).

If you want to know how chips are made, here is a link to a 24-page document that explains the entire manufacturing process and fabrication methods for all types of casino chips in great detail (link below). It talks about the material science, tooling, molds, die cutting, the moulding process, extrusion, the calendaring process, sheet cutting, compression PSIs used, compression temperatures, cure times, edge spot cutting and insertion, etc. Anything you'd ever want to know is pretty much in there. The document also has pictures taken from inside ASM/CPC and has diagrams taken from Paulson and TRK training materials in it.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3648279/game-counters-and-casino-chips-roulette-research

Here are a couple of relevant screenshots:


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Also, a few years back, someone posted a bunch of TRK chip order cards that they aquired from somewhere, some of which contain the materials/formula used for various colors/chips. The material listed in those formulas which makes up the majority of the volume of the chips was a dry vinyl thermoplastic. Here is one of those cards taken from a Boulder Club Casino order.

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Heh, micro low stakes again, .25c :LOL: :laugh:
 
RainmanTrail said:
Yes, and I'm claiming that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Spragg also previously claimed that TRK chips did not use heat in their manufacturing process and were "cold pressed" (utter nonsense).

If you want to know how chips are made, here is a link to a 24-page document that explains the entire manufacturing process and fabrication methods for all types of casino chips in great detail (link below). It talks about the material science, tooling, molds, die cutting, the moulding process, extrusion, the calendaring process, sheet cutting, compression PSIs used, compression temperatures, cure times, edge spot cutting and insertion, etc. Anything you'd ever want to know is pretty much in there. The document also has pictures taken from inside ASM/CPC and has diagrams taken from Paulson and TRK training materials in it.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3648279/game-counters-and-casino-chips-roulette-research

Here are a couple of relevant screenshots:


View attachment 1263095View attachment 1263097


Also, a few years back, someone posted a bunch of TRK chip order cards that they aquired from somewhere, some of which contain the materials/formula used for various colors/chips. The material listed in those formulas which makes up the majority of the volume of the chips was a dry vinyl thermoplastic. Here is one of those cards taken from a Boulder Club Casino order.

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Uhhhh….the bulk of the material is baryte (clay) and titanium and cotton(?). Only 3oz of plastic. Maybe I’m reading it wrong.
 
LowerBama1714 said:
Uhhhh….the bulk of the material is baryte (clay) and titanium and cotton(?). Only 3oz of plastic. Maybe I’m reading it wrong.
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I see out of 224 oz total:

120 ounces lead silicate
48 ounces barytes
40 ounces dry vinyl
10 ounces cotton
3 ounces titanium
3 ounces lavender color
1/2 ounce purple color

Seems like a lot of lead silicate. Maybe TRK chips best enjoyed in pictures. Wow.

Also worth noting that dry vinyl has a much lower density than lead…the volume will be a much higher proportion vs the weight
 

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