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[OfficerLovejoy]

I kinda like Doug Polks take on the situation.

Too long, didn't watch:
It does look fishy. No way to be sure at this point though. He leans more towards there was something going on though. Either way: that lady is dumb one way or the other.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Can we get a poll? I’m leaning not cheating as well.

 

[TheDuke]

She has Hendon Mob results dating back to 2010, including some final tables and wins. She's being coached by Faraz Jakka. She's not some poker novice. I haven't seen her play previously but I've seen mention that on much lower stakes games she's been far more timid and willing to lay hands down. But now all of a sudden when she's playing for 10x the stakes she's hero calling and winning both runouts with Jack-high in a coin-flip situation with one card to come.

It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. She claimed on Joeys podcast she made a bunch of money working in pharma or medical field (but it was "too technical" to describe) but that she's left that and is now "trying poker". She invited this Rip guy to the game, but I've heard he's the one who backed her.

So I don't know her financial situation, obviously she looks like she likes to spend money based on her appearance. But again, I think she's guilty af and I hope we get an answer one way or another from HCL

Just looked at her Hendon Mob profile - I only see results dating back to 05/15/2015. Majority of her tourney results are for $200 buyins and lower. 2022 is the first year she is buying into anything over $1k. So it could be argued as evidence she's a total fish.

I'm still withholding judgment either way. Waiting to see further analysis of all of her hand history on this stream and other details.

The reaction of that Rip guy was weird. Definitely unusual for another player to get so heated on a hand he wasn't involved in. I guess his connection to her will be revealed in the next few days.

 

[umbkcshah]

The reaction of that Rip guy was weird. Definitely unusual for another player to get so heated on a hand he wasn't involved in. I guess his connection to her will be revealed in the next few days.

Think it was stated friends/business partners. Also believe he had a sizeable piece of her action. They had a ridiculous soft play where each had AQ, flop came AAX. Barely any money went into the pot

 

[Legend5555]

Just looked at her Hendon Mob profile - I only see results dating back to 05/15/2015. Majority of her tourney results are for $200 buyins and lower. 2022 is the first year she is buying into anything over $1k. So it could be argued as evidence she's a total fish.

I'm still withholding judgment either way. Waiting to see further analysis of all of her hand history on this stream and other details.

The reaction of that Rip guy was weird. Definitely unusual for another player to get so heated on a hand he wasn't involved in. I guess his connection to her will be revealed in the next few days.

His connection was made quite clear already. They are business partners and he had a piece of her in the game.

 

[Marius L]

Are there footage of her giving the money back? What was the deal with that anyway? Demand by garret?

 

[doublebooyah85]

Are there footage of her giving the money back? What was the deal with that anyway? Demand by garret?

Supposively she was embarrassed by the entire thing and offered it back to Garret. She’s saying she felt cornered and guilted into it.

 

[TheDuke]

Are there footage of her giving the money back? What was the deal with that anyway? Demand by garret?

She grabbed a rack she had beside her and left the room and gave it to Garrett off camera. He then came back to the table and loaded it up into his backpack and left.

Garrett posted that she offered. He said he didn't ask for it. But she offered after a discussion with Garrett and a producer. While not asked directly, she may have felt pressured to do it. But this was all off camera.

 

[Rieguy]

I've decided that until we get some legitimate proof of cheating (to any degree), I'm sticking with, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". This covers the play itself and her subsequent comments, interview, Tweet(s), etc., mostly all made while under immense pressure/scrutiny.

That said, this definitely has a smell to it, but I've seen wild shit in poker plenty of times from all kinds of people. We all have. I'll wait until we hear more from an investigation/HCL. Until then, the accused gets the benefit of the doubt, despite it being a batshit play. I would venture a guess that this is where most people stand.

 

[Frogzilla]

She’s super annoying though. He says “you’re probably good on first board”. She winces. ”….unless you have a low pocket pair?” Literally the only hand he beats. And then she berates him for putting her on a low pocket pair, which he didn’t do, he just said that’s the only hand his 8 high beats.

That’s 135k worth of annoying right there

 

[justsomedude]

I've decided that until we get some legitimate proof of cheating (to any degree), I'm sticking with, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". This covers the play itself and her subsequent comments, interview, Tweet(s), etc., mostly all made while under immense pressure/scrutiny.

That said, this definitely has a smell to it, but I've seen wild shit in poker plenty of times from all kinds of people. We all have. I'll wait until we hear more from an investigation/HCL. Until then, the accused gets the benefit of the doubt, despite it being a batshit play. I would venture a guess that this is where most people stand.

I was up late watching Joey's feed and have been trying to evalaute the different viewpoints being put out there. I'm trying to be objective through all of this, but just can't totally buy into the "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity," argument.

Of all the nonsense garbage she spewed during and after the hand (I had a blocker! - I put you on Ace high! - wut?), the single most glaring issue to me (aside from giving the money back), is her "clear the air" moment on the stream. In her shining moment to declare, "I was tired of being bullied and just wanted to catch Garrett in an epic pot and it worked!" she instead decides to say: "I thought I had threes."


What.

The.

Fuck?


To me that is the biggest tell of all. She went back to her misread-hand garbage, which to me is the nail in the coffin. The video shows her clearly staring at her cards moments before she called. She knew exactly what she had. And stupidity doesn't really cover that "I thought I had threes" excuse.

 

[megarises]

Can we get a poll? I’m leaning not cheating as well.

Ditto. It’s just too stupid to be cheating. Although, she’s entitled to act however she wants, her statements/actions after the hand certainly didn’t help diffuse any cheating accusations.

Edit: booyah

 

[utgtrash]

the play is so crazy - i can't even believe it's cheating. if someone was able to message to her what to do, why would they tell her to raise turn? it's too likely that garrett would xr allin, and you would HAVE to fold. unless she somehow knew the runout, in which case anything to get the money in would work, it wouldn't matter. this is a weird way to do that. i think she really is just terrible at poker.

 

[justsomedude]

the play is so crazy - i can't even believe it's cheating. if someone was able to message to her what to do, why would they tell her to raise turn? it's too likely that garrett would xr allin, and you would HAVE to fold. unless she somehow knew the runout, in which case anything to get the money in would work, it wouldn't matter. this is a weird way to do that. i think she really is just terrible at poker.

Check the Polk video posted above... he provides a good counter-argument to the "she's just stupid" stance (although he does think she's pretty dumb), and specifically talks about how poker cheats implement min-raises to drive the action when they know they're ahead. It's an interesting video and worth the watch.

I'm definitely on the "this shit is dodgy" side, but would also prefer to see better evidence.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Daniel view on the incident

But then this is also the same guy who say Bird are not real and more rake is better

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If she didn't know what he had, it was a horrible call.

If she DID know what he had, it was an even worse call. He had soooo many outs. Which to me seems to eliminate cheating, other that just a simple signal that she was ahead. (sorta)

Which leads me to a question. These games that are live streamed - SURELY they are not really LIVE live, are they? Isn't there at least a couple minutes delay? If not, then damn! Shame on the players for playing in a game where outside people (some right there in the same room?) know what they have on a live basis.

 

[justsomedude]

If she didn't know what he had, it was a horrible call.

If she DID know what he had, it was an even worse call. He had soooo many outs. Which to me seems to eliminate cheating, other that just a simple signal that she was ahead. (sorta)

Which leads me to a question. These games that are live streamed - SURELY they are not really LIVE live, are they? Isn't there at least a couple minutes delay? If not, then damn! Shame on the players for playing in a game where outside people (some right there in the same room?) know what they have on a live basis.

They are delayed.

 

[LeLe]

Which leads me to a question. These games that are live streamed - SURELY they are not really LIVE live, are they? Isn't there at least a couple minutes delay? If not, then damn! Shame on the players for playing in a game where outside people (some right there in the same room?) know what they have on a live basis.

The regular stake are usually 1 hour delay and the high stake are on 3 hours delay

All live game are delayed to protect the integrity of the game

 

[bergs]

IF you know your opponents exact hand it makes sense mathematically to make the call. But given the range one would normally assign to Garret here, a lot of his bluffs and semi-bluffs in this spot are still far ahead of her Jack-high.

Given she has results back to 2010 on Hendon Mob, she's not brand new to fucking poker, she has a significant history of play and her line and explanation make zero fucking sense here.

I can't wait until they prove it so all the people saying "ban garret" can shut the fuck up.

She could be cheating and one could still make a case that because of how Gman handled it without empirical proof of cheating, he also deserves the ban.

Accusing someone of cheating is prolly the worst thing you can do to them in the “poker community”. To do it without proof because you lost a hand and can’t comprehend how someone would play back at you and win is arrogant and irresponsible.

The simplest answer is this:

- she’s a livestream newb and uncomfortable
- she made a horrible call having mangled the previous streets
- she felt uncomfortable because she knows she has a staking arrangement with Rip (there is no other explanation for why he got so upset she gave the $ back)
- Garrett puts her in a bad place outside the room, painting her as another Postle
- She says to herself fuck this, I don’t need the money or this headache and offers to refund him without thinking it through
- Garrett accepts it and then starts to consider that he has no proof she cheated
- Garrett racks (or bags, lol) knowing he’s gonna get a lot of shit from the table

Eric knew. He didn’t say this table is fucked up (and the guy loves the f-bomb). Fucked up could imply crazy, poorly ran, bunch of things. He said the game was jacked up. He knows Rip and Robbi (if not others) are playing off the same roll and he suspects some other BS is going on.

I like Krish’s solution. Put the whole pot in escrow. Prolly only way either (particularly Garrett) should be allowed back.

 

[jpietrella]

What's the time stamp when the Rip blow up starts?

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

The regular stake are usually 1 hour delay and the high stake are on 3 hours delay

All live game are delayed to protect the integrity of the game

So help me understand HOW she could have cheated???

I assume no one except the house (or the production team) sees the camera shots of the cards in real time. If even they do.
If cards were marked, that would only tell her how GOOD of a draw Garrett is on. So probably not a good call.
Even if marked, she can't know what cards are coming on the river, unless the dealer is in on it.

I'm not a sophisticated player or cheater, so how else could she have cheated?

The explanation that she thought she was being bullied still makes the most sense, other than how weak her hand was. So she made an emotional and not a logical call.

 

[LeLe]

I in the she just playing dumb / bad and not a cheater camp unless there’s are more proof

The most common theory of how she cheat will be someone from the insider had the information and collaborate with her feeding her the information needed

Another will be the shuffle tech is hacked and designed to feed information who will have the winning hand

 

[justsomedude]

So help me understand HOW she could have cheated???

I assume no one except the house (or the production team) sees the camera shots of the cards in real time. If even they do.
If cards were marked, that would only tell her how GOOD of a draw Garrett is on. So probably not a good call.
Even if marked, she can't know what cards are coming on the river, unless the dealer is in on it.

I'm not a sophisticated player or cheater, so how else could she have cheated?

The explanation that she thought she was being bullied still makes the most sense, other than how weak her hand was. So she made an emotional and not a logical call.

There are two main theories right now:

1) Some one hacked (or had direct access to) the table/RFID feed and thus had access to everyone's hole cards.
In this case, a second person is working with the cheat to send the player basic info. It can be detailed information like in the Postle scandal, where he was allegedly getting screengrabs from an assisting collaborator straight off the RFID software. Or it could be a more rudimentary type of signaling that simply indicates "you're ahead - bet/call," or "you're behind - fold."

During the Postle scandal some people familiar with the RFID software indicated that it would be possible for a 3rd party (not involved with the production team) to hack the casino's network and potentially access the RFID feed... or even the live stream (pre-delay). This theory presents a whole host of challenges, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. You can go back to one of the many videos Joey Ingram did at the time... he had a guest on one of his "investigative" vlogs do a pretty detailed drill-down of that RFID software, and how it works.

2) Cards were marked and she knew the cards on the table in real time, and potentially knew the top card on the dealer's stub (even though it's discarded, it's still info).
There's some new discussion in the comments of some of the r/poker posts that Robbi might have been using infrared glasses (or possibly contact lenses) to see marked cards live on the table. This would require some one (even herself) marking the cards. One theory is that RIP was marking the cards for her.

Someone has pointed out that some of the infrared-reading lenses have a pink tone, which she just happened to be wearing at the table...

 

[utgtrash]

i was thinking, all she has to know is she is going to win the hand and she can just work to get the stacks in but - if you knew even that by the river, your hand would win two runouts vs specifically garrett because he would flop a monster draw, it's still so complicated to get in that spot, get him to shove the turn on you, as well as how fishy it is to call with J4. i mean think about it. if you were cheating by knowing the runout of the cards (fixed deck), it's not an obvious path to getting stacks in there. also, your hand isn't going to beat multiple hands, although i haven't looked at the whole hand (what other players mucked). it's so outlandish unless each street was carefully planned. you can't say it's cheating from the turn on, you really have to account for all the other action if it's a fixed scenario since the cheater presumably knows the entire stacking of the deck.

both theories, the dumb/bad player theory and the brilliant/complex cheating theory are almost equally outlandish.

 

[bergs]

What’s more likely?

- rich woman did a stupid move at teh pokerz

- rich woman partnered with another player to mark the cards with a super secret infrared dye that could only be seen by her infrared reading classes while at the same time another accomplice hacks into the Hustler Casino RFID system and separately hacks into the shuffler and sends rich woman which cards are coming and what Gman has via a Bluetooth-connected tickler she put up the apparently only part of her anatomy that isn’t generated from a 3d printing machine. Rich woman proceeds to do the math in her head as she gets colonsignaled that Garrett has 87 and figures out that her J3 is good enough for a 55/45 advantage on the turn so gets it in and runs it twice because it’s hard to find a better spot than 55/45 with one over card at NLHE to show the entire world the intricacies of your meticulously planned scam to win one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

I think some people are seeing cheating because they want it to be cheating. It’s unlikely IMO that it’s cheating, just applying Occam’s Razor.

 

[bergs]

If Gman comes back he’s not gonna bluffed for a while. Who wants to risk getting tongue lashed in the hall on a global poker stream?

 

[jpietrella]

What’s more likely?

- rich woman did a stupid move at teh pokerz

- rich woman partnered with another player to mark the cards with a super secret infrared dye that could only be seen by her infrared reading classes while at the same time another accomplice hacks into the Hustler Casino RFID system and separately hacks into the shuffler and sends rich woman which cards are coming and what Gman has via a Bluetooth-connected tickler she put up the apparently only part of her anatomy that isn’t generated from a 3d printing machine. Rich woman proceeds to do the math in her head as she gets colonsignaled that Garrett has 87 and figures out that her J3 is good enough for a 55/45 advantage on the turn so gets it in and runs it twice because it’s hard to find a better spot than 55/45 with one over card at NLHE to show the entire world the intricacies of your meticulously planned scam to win one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

I think some people are seeing cheating because they want it to be cheating. It’s unlikely IMO that it’s cheating, just applying Occam’s Razor.

Plllleeeeease let it be anal scam.

 

[LeLe]

If Gman comes back he’s not gonna bluffed for a while. Who wants to risk getting tongue lashed in the hall on a global poker stream?

If he ever come back in the first place, don’t think he gonna be in any live poker for awhile at least

Plus he will be getting needled every time he bet/raise, are you going to take back the money if you lost again? Or call me a cheater?

I wish it was LingLing instead of Robbi, LingLing will have stab Gman in his eye and F u who are you calling a cheater rather than returning the money

 

[bergs]

Plllleeeeease let it be anal scam.

So it’s a 5 person team.

- Robbi
- Rip the Money Man
- Person X the RFID and Shuffler hacker
- Person Y the relay
- Person Z the anal bead WiFi receiver inserter

Pretty sure this is how the DC franchise started. It was Superman and Batman, and then they just branched out from that.

 

[jpietrella]

Pretty sure this is how the DC franchise started. It was Superman and Batman, and then they just branched out from that.

"Tell me.... Do you BEAD?"

 

[RadicusScout]

What’s more likely?

- rich woman did a stupid move at teh pokerz

I just saw the clip and I'm this camp.

I'd imagine it'd take some serious planning, set up, and chutzpah to think one could try to pull off some shenanigans on a popular live feed which will then get dissected by the poker community. It doesn't make much sense to me.

/shrug