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[Anthony Martino]

Not having the occasional card info is small price to pay for iron clad security

Robbi responds to Garrets tweet

Lie detector test incoming…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1578659450545545216

Lie detectors prove nothing

 

[MatB]

@MatB Are you 100% sure that Santa Claus doesn’t exist? Lol. It’s not as if there is going to be footage of Ronni and Rip in a backroom somewhere saying “Okay so this is how we are going to cheat…”

We don’t even have 100% evidence of Postle cheating yet I don’t think there’s anyone who questions whether or not he did based on the preponderance of evidence.

There’s provable and unprovable elements to everything
If you said the earth was flat because you believed it. But then a scientist explained to you why it was not flat, and you still believed it was flat. What can anyone do at that point?

Peopel are saying she cheated without proof.
I’d say they have evidence cheating may have occurred. But is only unproven theories right now.
So sure. Continue to say she cheated.
No ones proven she didn’t cheat either.

And just like my first example.

2 people in a room together One saying the earth is flat and the other saying it’s not mean nothing until one can show the other through proof.

 

[MatB]

We are the people in the room right now

 

[CrazyEddie]

Guys, please stop making the thread about you and/or the other guy. Thanks.

 

[MatB]

Lie detectors prove nothing

Right. You’ll say ‘I’ve been cheated so I know when cheating has happened based on a feeling’

Your needle for what constitutes reasonable proof moves more than a Chernobyl Geiger counter

 

[justsomedude]

Not having the occasional card info is small price to pay for iron clad security

This.

With the added 20min delay between card data and the stream, it would also give the announcers time to address potential errors or absent cards during the stream.

I’d be happy with some incorrect card data if it meant the stream was secure. I guess the scenario could still exist where a nefarious backroom actor could hack the table and get the real time data. And I don’t know how that can be avoided with absolute certainty.

 

[MatB]

This.

With the added 20min delay between card data and the stream, it would also give the announcers time to address potential errors or absent cards during the stream.

I’d be happy with some incorrect card data if it meant the stream was secure. I guess the scenario could still exist where a nefarious backroom actor could hack the table and get the real time data. And I don’t know how that can be avoided with absolute certainty.

I also posted that in real time, software can acknowledge if cards were read without disclosing what the cards are.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Can’t help to re post Nick Airball’s tweet!

why did he need a fucking travelog in order to say "I loaned him the money he was playing with and then he paid me back"

 

[CrazyEddie]

Anyone convinced, I dunno how you do it

I paid attention to the evidence, which is easy, because so far there's only been one piece of it, and that one piece is very non-persuasive to me (albeit completely 100% convincing to many others).

And actually, I'm not convinced. I'm not saying she didn't cheat, I'm only saying so far that the evidence she cheated is entirely speculative and accordingly is a very poor reason to conclude that she did.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Lie detector tests are bullshit. Behavioral analysis is bullshit.

Remember that everyone is lying to you all the time, including the people trying to sell you lie detectors. The world is full of scams, don't be a sucker.

 

[CrazyEddie]

We don’t even have 100% evidence of Postle cheating yet I don’t think there’s anyone who questions whether or not he did based on the preponderance of evidence.

Well that's exactly the point. We can be confident that Postle or Niemann were cheating by looking at lots of their plays and seeing that they are blatant statistical outliers.

In the case at hand, we have one hand. One. Which a number of commentators (including Garrett) have declared could never, ever, ever be played that way by someone who wasn't cheating.

Ridiculous.

 

[AH77]

I paid attention to the evidence, which is easy, because so far there's only been one piece of it, and that one piece is very non-persuasive to me (albeit completely 100% convincing to many others).

And actually, I'm not convinced. I'm not saying she didn't cheat, I'm only saying so far that the evidence she cheated is entirely speculative and accordingly is a very poor reason to conclude that she did.

There’s not one just piece of evidence though. There’s multiple hands of strange behavior/signaling. A member of the broadcast stealing 15k from the person who is accused of cheating in the first place. Shady backstories of how these players came to get into the game.

Have you seen the recent updates? The hand itself is almost irrelevant at this point.

 

[Mick]

Ok I have a security solution

All streams are on a delay.

Why not have a delay on the card info too?

Delay the card info by 10 minutes. Then delay the stream by another 20 minutes.

Independent tech guy verify no one see data for 10 minutes

Boom ! Mic drop.

Even better: Don't read the cards until they are on the way to the muck/after the hand is over. Put the card readers more central on the table, and just make the rule that as players are done with their hand they dispose of them in their assigned rfid box outlined on the table, similar to the box the cards must be placed in currently. Train the dealers to pitch cards nowhere near the readers. Seems ironclad-ish.

 

[Eriks]

I paid attention to the evidence, which is easy, because so far there's only been one piece of it, and that one piece is very non-persuasive to me (albeit completely 100% convincing to many others).

And actually, I'm not convinced. I'm not saying she didn't cheat, I'm only saying so far that the evidence she cheated is entirely speculative and accordingly is a very poor reason to conclude that she did.

I agree that there is no one 100% smoking gun evidence, but there is so much strange going on combined with the impossible call. I’m still not saying it’s completely certain that she/they cheated but it’s really starting to pile up. Any circumstance is possible but not always likely

 

[justsomedude]

In the case at hand, we have one hand. One. Which a number of commentators (including Garrett) have declared could never, ever, ever be played that way by someone who wasn't cheating.

C’mon. You have to acknowledge that’s a heckuv an oversimplification of this entire scenario.

It’s hardly “just one hand.” It’s one hand + the 179 other issues, known nefarious actors, and added information piled on top.

 

[Eriks]

C’mon. You have to acknowledge that’s a heckuv an oversimplification of this entire scenario.

It’s hardly “just one hand.” It’s one hand + the 179 other issues, known nefarious actors, and added information piled on top.

Some folks in this thread:

 

[justsomedude]

You can’t triple stamp a double stamp!!! Lloyd!!!!

 

[ekricket]

hardly “just one hand.” It’s one hand + the 179 other issues, known nefarious actors, and added information piled on top.

Gematria works the same way, just sayin

 

[CrazyEddie]

There’s not one just piece of evidence though. There’s multiple hands of strange behavior/signaling. A member of the broadcast stealing 15k from the person who is accused of cheating in the first place. Shady backstories of how these players came to get into the game.

Have you seen the recent updates? The hand itself is almost irrelevant at this point.

You probably haven't read my other posts, or you'd know my answer here.

None of those things are evidence of cheating.

 

[Highli99]

Not sure if those or the DGAF conspiracy on Two Plus Two is worse...

What is the DGAF conspiracy? Please tell me no one thinks Billy is tied up in all of this.

 

[MatB]

Even better: Don't read the cards until they are on the way to the muck/after the hand is over. Put the card readers more central on the table, and just make the rule that as players are done with their hand they dispose of them in their assigned rfid box outlined on the table, similar to the box the cards must be placed in currently. Train the dealers to pitch cards nowhere near the readers. Seems ironclad-ish.

not sure that would work.

Dealing and then having the cards read immediately seems simpler and efficient.

Delaying anyone knowing what the cards are would work though.

 

[Mick]

not sure that would work.

Dealing and then having the cards read immediately seems simpler and efficient.

As a player I'd definitely be willing to put up with this minor inconvenience to be assured there's no Bryan transmitting my hand to someone's anal beads.

"Delaying anyone knowing what the cards are would work though."

As the cards are being read, that info is going somewhere. Even if there's software delays, that info could be hijacked and transmitted to a nefarious party before the delay. The only way to be sure is a manual analog delay, don't read the cards til they are mostly irrelevant.

 

[SiouxperStack]

I really wish people on both sides could be nicer to each other, hate seeing this community fighting

I love seeing the creatively sassy new ways people insult each other on here. This kind of reminds me of a Real Housewives type of show.

 

[AH77]

You probably haven't read my other posts, or you'd know my answer here.

None of those things are evidence of cheating.

The only people that know for sure what happened are the people involved. We will never know EXACTLY how they cheated even if we can be sure there was cheating of some kind going on. They aren’t going to write a complete breakdown of what happened in that hand or what went wrong just to appease curious minds on the internet and risk potential jail time.

Again, to use the Postle example, we had a predonderance of evidence that he was in fact cheating but we never saw the actual display on his phone and we don’t know for certain how he got access to the feed in the first place. A court of law basically found nothing but are you going to invite him to your next home game?

 

[buffalojim]

What is the DGAF conspiracy? Please tell me no one thinks Billy is tied up in all of this.

I hope not either, I like his podcast and commentating. It would be a sad thing but I guess everyone is a suspect now??? What a mess.

 

[umbkcshah]

What is the DGAF conspiracy? Please tell me no one thinks Billy is tied up in all of this.

Short version. He does significantly better when seated in the 2 seat vs other seats and has been seated in the 2 more than expected.

 

[justsomedude]

You probably haven't read my other posts, or you'd know my answer here.

None of those things are evidence of cheating.

And the concrete mix and missing wife meant absolutely nothing in the Scott Peterson investigation until his wife’s corpse floated up on shore. Perhaps she went on hiking expedition. It’s just as plausible in the “prove it with certainty or keep your mouth shut” approach.

You definitely have a unique take. I won’t fault you there.

 

[buffalojim]

Short version. He does significantly better when seated in the 2 seat vs other seats and has been seated in the 2 more than expected.

I must not be watching enough because it seems like he's been getting smashed the last several times I've watched, but I don't always watch the whole stream.

 

[MatB]

As a player I'd definitely be willing to put up with this minor inconvenience to be assured there's no Bryan transmitting my hand to someone's anal beads.

"Delaying anyone knowing what the cards are would work though."

As the cards are being read, that info is going somewhere. Even if there's software delays, that info could be hijacked and transmitted to a nefarious party before the delay. The only way to be sure is a manual analog delay, don't read the cards til they are mostly irrelevant.

Yeah, nothing is Un-hackable in one way or another.

Casinos need to treat live streams like bank transactions. Whatever it takes. There's no way there will ever be a 100% secure way of doing it. But they need to try.

I think Berky touched on this in his podcast, he mentioned the guy in AUS that runs or sets up the stream software for the games. He has opportunity to set the bar really high here and become the standard by which all security for streams is set.

I enjoy the stream and it was a shame they shut down the Stones casino one.

NEED MORE DEGEN ON STREAM !!

 

[upNdown]

And the concrete mix and missing wife meant absolutely nothing in the Scott Peterson investigation until his wife’s corpse floated up on shore. Perhaps she went on hiking expedition. It’s just as plausible in the “prove it with certainty or keep your mouth shut” approach.

You definitely have a unique take. I won’t fault you there.

I don’t know what @CrazyEddie take is, because most of what I’ve seen here is him criticizing the evidence (not giving actual opinions on the issue.) And those criticisms are pretty legit. We’ve seen nothing that comes anywhere near the criminal court standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don’t think we’re even at the civil standard of preponderance of evidence, but we’re getting there.
I want to believe she cheated and I think I believe she cheated, but I agree with Eddie that I haven’t seen enough evidence to say she cheated. Even though she cheated.