Min Raise Rules (3 Viewers)

[Davism72]

Hey, all. I hate having to ask this question, because I've played poker for a long time, but I'm having trouble with min raises in no-limit games. Situation:

Player 1: Bet $1.00
Player 2: Call $1.00
Player 3: Raise to $3.00

Player 1 may now either call for an additional $2, or he may raise. If he elects the latter, what is the minimum he must raise? I thought the answer was $6 (double the leading bet) but now I think it may be $5 (double the previous raise).

For extra credit, once Player 1 raises, how much must Player 2 contribute if he wants to re-raise?

 

[Coyote]

Double the previous raise, so $5 total in this case.
That means a min raise 2x4, totalling $9 for player 2, now.

 

[Hornet]

Answer to first question is $5. Answer to extra credit question is $7.

 

[Coyote]

Sorry, I stand corrected ^

 

[Frogzilla]

All raises must be at least as large as the largest raise so far in that round, unless the player is going all-in.

 

[WedgeRock]

I told my buddy when he was new and nervous about the min raise rules... He gave me a confused look. So I told him he could never go won't just doubling the bet in front of him... He did it that way until he caught on how to min raise.

 

[Davism72]

So I told him he could never go won't just doubling the bet in front of him.

I don't remember ever being taught this, but it's definitely how I play. Just thought that was the rule. I've even enforced it at my home games. Whoops.

 

[Gobbs]

1) $5
2) Depends how much Player 1 raises, but if he min raises, $7.

 

[Davism72]

Answer to first question is $5. Answer to extra credit question is $7.

Thanks! And if Player 1 exceeds the min raise, that amount becomes the next player's min raise, right? For example:

Player 1: Bet $1.00
Player 2: Call $1.00
Player 3: Raise to $3.00
Player 1: Re-raise to $10.00

Player 2 must either call $10 ($9 more for him) or re-raise to a minimum of $17? And he can raise any amount greater than $17 up to his full stack?

 

[allforcharity]

Yes, minimum of $17. Must add at least the difference between the last raise. If Player 2 decides to re-raise to $20, the next re-raise must be a minimum of $30, etc.

 

[Hornet]

That is correct.

 

[Polochris]

I’m so confused by this lol. I’ve always played double the previous raise, so if I wanted to 3 bet, it would have been $6 min.

 

[BGinGA]

And that would be incorrect.

 

[abby99]

I’m so confused by this lol. I’ve always played double the previous raise, so if I wanted to 3 bet, it would have been $6 min.

You're correct, the minimum raise is double the previous raise. The previous raise is $2. You would need to call the $2 raise of $2 and add your raise of another $2, making your bet "raise to $5." Because you already have a bet of $1 in front of you, you need to add another $4.

Another way to think of it, which comes in handy if there are multiple players and reraises, is to figure out how much you need to call the previous bet and then add the amount of the last raise.

 

[johnnycnote]

 

[BGinGA]

If already facing a raise, the minimum raise amount is double the *amount* of the previous raise (over the previous bet number), but it's not double the actual raise *number* itself. If not facing a raise, the minimum raise amount is double the previous bet number.

 

[Racer96]

Easiest way to remember it is that a min raise amount is equal to the largest raise amount.
Or you could think current total of last person’s bet plus the largest difference between two bets gives you the total amount of the new min bet.

For example: (All examples are based on after the flop)

a bets 3
b raises to 8 (min raise would be to 6, which is total bet of 3 plus the biggest raise of 3)
c raises to 20 (min raise would be to 13, total bet was 8 plus biggest raise of 5)
d raises to 55 (min raise would be to 32, total bet was 20 plus the biggest raise of 12)

Things get trickier when all ins happen for less than a full raise.

Mike

 

[abby99]

Play limit poker. The sequence is 1 bet, 2 bets, 3 bets, cap it.

Which raises the question (yes, that was intentional), Was the term 3-bet borrowed from limit poker? It's never made much sense to me in big-bet games, where I prefer reraise.

 

[DonkeyKing]

Ahhhhh. Good info.

 

[WedgeRock]

As I said earlier, you're never wrong if you double the whole bet you're having... But, except for the first raise, it's not a min raise.

Great examples by @Racer96 to drive the point home.

a bets 3
b raises to 8 (min raise would be to 6, which is total bet of 3 plus the biggest raise of 3)

In this instance, doubling the bet in front of you is a min raise.

c raises to 20 (min raise would be to 13, total bet was 8 plus biggest raise of 5)

For player c, 13 is a min raise. Doubling the bet in front of him (8) to 16 is still a valid raise.

d raises to 55 (min raise would be to 32, total bet was 20 plus the biggest raise of 12)

For player d, 32 is a min raise. Doubling the bet in front of him (20) to 40 is still a valid raise.

 

[BGinGA]

13 is a min raise

incorrect. 12 is the min raise (20-8).

32 is a min raise.

incorrect. 35 is the min raise (55-20).

EDIT -- nevermind, we're both right..... just looking at different player actions.

 

[Racer96]

Dave, please read my example again. You are looking at it incorrectly.

What I said was
A bets 3
B raises to 8
C raises to 20
D raises to 55

In my examples, the first min raise (B’s action) could have been a value of 3 giving a total of 6, but instead raised more than minimum.
The second min raise (C’s action) could have been a value of 5 giving a total of 13, but instead raised more than minimum.
The third min raise (D’s action) could have been a value of 12 giving a total of 32, but instead raised more than minimum.

You’re confusing what wedgerock is saying, he was stating what the minraise value could have been for that player, not what the next player’s min raise amount is. (This is similar to the difference between saying i raise by 100 or i raise to 100)

Mike

 

[MatB]

Easiest way to remember it is that a min raise amount is equal to the largest raise amount.
Or you could think current total of last person’s bet plus the largest difference between two bets gives you the total amount of the new min bet.

For example: (All examples are based on after the flop)

a bets 3
b raises to 8 (min raise would be to 6, which is total bet of 3 plus the biggest raise of 3)
c raises to 20 (min raise would be to 13, total bet was 8 plus biggest raise of 5)
d raises to 55 (min raise would be to 32, total bet was 20 plus the biggest raise of 12)

Things get trickier when all ins happen for less than a full raise.

Mike

when it gets to player C the min raise he can make is 16 as he hasn't acted yet and $8 was the previous raise amount.

When player C rasies to $20, Player D minimum raise is $40 as he has not acted yet and is facing a $20 raise.

(i say not acted yet because they have not committed any money previously in this round of betting)

^^from RRoP

 

[MatB]

Dave, please read my example again. You are looking at it incorrectly.

What I said was
A bets 3
B raises to 8
C raises to 20
D raises to 55

In my examples, the first min raise (B’s action) could have been a value of 3 giving a total of 6, but instead raised more than minimum.
The second min raise (C’s action) could have been a value of 5 giving a total of 13, but instead raised more than minimum.
The third min raise (D’s action) could have been a value of 12 giving a total of 32, but instead raised more than minimum.

You’re confusing what wedgerock is saying, he was stating what the minraise value could have been for that player, not what the next player’s min raise amount is. (This is similar to the difference between saying i raise by 100 or i raise to 100)

Mike

In this example player D can min raise to $40, you dont add up all the previous amounts. you look at what the wager has been raised to when it gets to you.(player D)

 

[moose]

Fuck it. When in doubt - shove.

 

[MatB]

ok i stand corrected.

 

[Racer96]

Sorry MatB , the rule you quote is correct, but your interpretation is wrong.

The raise amount is 5. Which is the new bet minus the previous bet.

What if in my example it was just 2 players going back and forth?
A bets 3
B raises to 8
A can now fold, call 8, min raise to 13 (the raise amount) or raise more than that.

Mike

 

[72o]

In this example player D can min raise to $40, you dont add up all the previous amounts. you look at what the wager has been raised to when it gets to you.(player D)

I thought because player C made a bet of 20 (which was a raise of 12 over the previous bet of 8) then player D could raise 12 to a total bet of 32 as a min?

 

[MatB]

Dave, please read my example again. You are looking at it incorrectly.

What I said was
A bets 3
B raises to 8
C raises to 20
D raises to 55

In my examples, the first min raise (B’s action) could have been a value of 3 giving a total of 6, but instead raised more than minimum.
The second min raise (C’s action) could have been a value of 5 giving a total of 13, but instead raised more than minimum.
The third min raise (D’s action) could have been a value of 12 giving a total of 32, but instead raised more than minimum.

You’re confusing what wedgerock is saying, he was stating what the minraise value could have been for that player, not what the next player’s min raise amount is. (This is similar to the difference between saying i raise by 100 or i raise to 100)

Mike

Yup. i messed up.

Player C could have called the $8 and raised it another $10 for a total of $18

 

[MatB]

Sorry MatB , the rule you quote is correct, but your interpretation is wrong.

The raise amount is 5. Which is the new bet minus the previous bet.

What if in my example it was just 2 players going back and forth?
A bets 3
B raises to 8
A can now fold, call 8, min raise to 13 (the raise amount) or raise more than that.

Mike

yes i was wrong this i why i shove also.