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PCF Wine appreciation thread. (10 Viewers)

Prolly because I went APE poopy and bought a lot of wine today, my wife dug this out of our library and demands I read this... (she smart n shit)

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anyone read any of it? I'll tell you what - I will need new eye glasses if I am to read print that tiny!!
 
@pltrgyst

I just got a text from Jacob at Cosentino Winery:

"Hi James, this is Jacob with Cosentino Winery! Thank you for placing an online order with us! I wanted to see if you're interested in joining our wine club. If so, I'm happy to adjust the pricing on your order to reflect 25% savings. Let me know if I can help!"

Obviously I said yes, but I just thought that was so cool they would reach out to me!
 
Scooped up 2 bottles of the 2015 on recommendation from a friend
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Unfortunately, they don't ship until August. :(
 
I believe California. It was a "pre-arrival" on K&L

Yeah, Northern California to Oregon. Bad move?
 
Yeah, I would say 1 to 2 days. I know I just bought a 20 bottle wine rack (that I have yet to receive), but I was looking into a wine fridge. I keep my house at 68 in Summer and 70 in winter. I only drink red (for now) so I was looking at this:

Whynter 20 Bottle Thermoelectric Wine Cooler with Black Tinted Mirror Glass Door
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It's only $158 and I could keep it constant at somewhere between 55-60 degrees. (Also I could then store 40 bottles at a time :cool. 20 on the rack and 20 in the fridge)

Any thoughts?
 
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Copper44 said:
Oh ya for sure. I bought some 14’s and 15’s of the Geyersville and Lytton right after SQM for $30/ea. This is another great buy.
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$30 is a great buy. Both of these are usually in the $36-$40 range. Every now and then I come across a Three Valleys 2014 but they’re getting more scarce. Can still find them for about $27 at Total or Wegman’s every now and then.
 
Buy away, and enjoy them! Is this local to you, or is shipping a consideration?

The Three Valleys is the only Ridge zin usually available for less than $30. It's a bit lighter than the rest, but still excellent. Ridge is selling the most recent vintage Geyservilles and Lyttons for $40-$45 to their wine clubs, so those prices, especially with a few years of age, are outstanding.

Last night, another favorite, with prime rib:
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Tonight, with mini-meatballs, beef and red wine sauce, papardelle, and asparagus spears -- big and stupendous, like drinking blackberries and raspberries. I could drink this GSM every night.

@Don Clay: Your country seems to be producing some good wines lately! :cool

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Big Jilm said:
May I ask your temperature of choice, and if it is a dual zone cooler -- which wines at what temperature? (I went ahead and bought the small 20 bottle cooler!)
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@Big Jilm I keep mine at 58. Higher than the 55 recommended by many. Years ago I had read that keeping it a little higher was good for aging wine. Don’t know if it is true but I have been doing it for years and never had a problem.
The thing that kills wine is temperature changes and vibrations, and my fridges are great keeping temperature extremely consistent, and the compressor are built and installed fo minimum vibration.
Also I don’t have dual temperature so I do have to cool down my whites when serving by using one oF those cooling device, or a bucket of ice water and salt, or 30 minutes in the fridge.
 
Max D said:
@Big Jilm I keep mine at 58. Higher than the 55 recommended by many. Years ago I had read that keeping it a little higher was good for aging wine. Don’t know if it is true but I have been doing it for years and never had a problem.
The thing that kills wine is temperature changes and vibrations, and my fridges are great keeping temperature extremely consistent, and the compressor are built and installed fo minimum vibration.
Also I don’t have dual temperature so I do have to cool down my whites when serving by using one oF those cooling device, or a bucket of ice water and salt, or 30 minutes in the fridge.
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Thank you brotha, that's helpful! Lol, I have kind of gone crazy the last 3 days, over $1,250 spent and I am a noob with no real wine budget :confused. 14 bottles here within the last 3 days, and 10 more shipping, a cooler, a rack, and a decanter. (can you say mid life crisis? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:) However, I do have the full intention of learning as much as I can; and if nothing else, drinking all that wine and having fun! I hope you guys don't mind a noob asking so many questions and trying to learn. If nothing else I have been and will continue to take your recommendations!!
Sounds like shipping wine is not a great idea due to vibration and temperature variables. However, access to quality wine I assume is difficult based on what you want to try and shipping is necessary sometimes. Either way I am in, haha. THANK YOU ALL for the advice thus far!
 
@Big Jilm I know I dont have a choice about shipping:cautious:, a lot of my wine come from california so I have to. I have been told that when you ship wine you should let it "recover" for at least a few days before opening it.
Once you have the wine try to do all the right things to it. Keep it at a good temperature/humidity and dont move it too much and you will be good 99% of the time.:tup:
Ultimately enjoy drinking and try new stuff.:wow:
 
Copper44 said:
Ya shipping is a big name of the game. My wine clubs all come from Cali to Michigan and I haven’t had any issues.
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Yes, me too. Every now and then Ridge will send me a note that they're delaying shipping because of high temperatures in Florida. I always reply and tell them bullshit, it's always hot in Florida -- ship the damned wine.

Let it rest 5-7 days after arrival, and it's fine...
 
BTW, when shipping wine, my preference is for FedEx as a carrier. Since a signature is always required, to avoid playing tag with the delivery and the wine spending an overnight or two on a hot truck, I can have the wine dropped at our local Walgreens, about a half mile away, where it sits in air conditioned comfort until I pick it up. Yay FedEx!

Maybe a Covid oddity: For my last delivery, the driver backed away from the package, asked my last name, and said he'd sign for me, rather than hand me his machine...
 
Well the restaurant cellar sale was a bust, no deals to speak of maybe even still 10% above retail on some. Oh well I’ll drink a QPR wine tonight to celebrate my bank account not taking a dent. And don’t worry, that it is just stuff used for cooking in the wine rack that’s directly next to the fridge.
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In today's WSJ, an interview with the head sommelier for the highly esteemed Jose Andres restaurant organization:

'Like many oenophiles during this crisis, Mr. Myers has been drinking fairly basic wines at home.... He recently purchased a couple cases of Katogi Averoff Xinomavro, a Greek red he described as a “simple” wine that “costs me about $6 a bottle.”'

Do you know that producer, @Coyote ? If so, how does it stack up against the other Xinomavros and X-blends you've mentioned?
 
Averoff is a serious winery. It's the highest altitude winery (and vineyards) in Greece, also.

I am puzzled, because "Katogi" is their entry-level label, multi-varietal blend of Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Aygiorgitiko (Saint-George-ish, literally), the latter being equally foreign to the highlands of Epirus, coming from the Peloponnese:D
No standard percentages, making it up to each year's temperament. Decent product, not to be hooked on, though.

Xinomavro is not supposed to be part of the blend, unless this is something totally new "Katogi (just) Xinomavro" which sounds pretty interesting, but it's the first time I hear of it.

At $6 a bottle having crossed the Pond, it should be a very decent product (the standard Katogi sells for 8 Euros in its birthplace:wow:)

If hard-core, pure Xinomavro is our subject (it's VERY courageous and oozing with confidence to produce a wine with just Xinomavro in it), then Thymiopoulos winery in Naoussa, Central Macedonia, or ALPHA Estate in Western Macedonia (Old Vines) is the way to go.

EDIT: I googled and found the "Katogi Averoff Xinomavro". At 10E in Greece. Also, the same thing upgraded, under the label "Inima" (still Katogi Averoff brand), for 12E.
It seems the Averoff brand has been quite successful in the mountains of Metsovo, Epirus, and has now acquired vineyards in Naoussa, Central Macedonia. You can hardly go wrong with a Naoussa-bred Xinomavro at this price (I mean the American one :D ), made by a reputable wine-making brand.
I have not tasted either.
When it comes to the best ones, I reiterate my Thymiopoulos and Alpha Estate (OLD vines) preference.
Notice that Xinomavro is no stand-alone wine, and requires serious meat or even just beans, but still with very serious and hot sauce.
 
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