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PCF Wine appreciation thread. (1 Viewer)
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So I am looking for a once in a lifetime bottle. I will be paying off my student debt next year, and we plan to go HARD in the paint to celebrate. Pappy Van Winkle, $30/ounce A5 Wagyu, and a ridiculous bottle of wine. Here are the bottles I have been considering: 2010 Chateaux La Fite Rothschild, 2010 Chateaux Margaux, or a 2010 Penfolds Grange. (2010 because that is when I started paying the debt off....plus great vintage numbers). Any thoughts or recommendations from my wine peeps?
I'm a Grange guy all the way...but the only bottle I have left isn't a 2010.
For the last month, I've been trying out one of these pump-type wine openers, sold under names like "Cork Genius", "Wine Ziz", etc. I have to say they work GREAT! The instructions advise that it usually take 4-6 pumps to extract a cork, but most of mine need only three. And each one yields that satisfying champagne-like "Ploop!" on the final pump.
I've only found one bottle, young or old, that it couldn't open -- a 2015 Ridge Syrah that had an extra-long cork, so that the injector needle couldn't reach into the air space.
Has anyone else used one?
I've only found one bottle, young or old, that it couldn't open -- a 2015 Ridge Syrah that had an extra-long cork, so that the injector needle couldn't reach into the air space.
Has anyone else used one?
In your opinion, do you think I am good with the 2010 selection, or do you think I should get an older one? Perhaps a 2005?
The 2010 should still be maturing. The 2005 should be in its mature drinking period, so I would recommend going with it.
"The 1990s is a decade of wines now roughly 15 to 25 years old. This is the 10-year ‘time window’ during which Max Schubert said Grange would gain maturity, enabling drinkers to more easily assess its quality and potential for further development.
And, it’s true: Grange generally begins to drink at its best 15 to 25 years out from vintage.
The best Granges can last much longer – 50 years and more – but before the Grange project even began, Schubert’s stated intention was to make… ‘an Australian red wine capable of staying alive for a minimum of 20 years…’
With this is mind, the vintages of Grange likely to be at or near their very best into the 2020s are the lesser vintages of the 1990s and perhaps also the first two vintages of the 2000s – 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2000 and 2001.
The aim is to catch these wines at their best. They may be good, or great drinking, but they are less likely to improve further."
"2005
Deep purple crimson. Cranberry/ rhubarb/ herb garden aromas with plenty of nutmeg/ malty seasoned new American oak. A very elemental wine with ripe cranberry/ blackberry pastille/ fruit sweet flavours, dense, grippy tannins and plenty of malty new oak characters. Finishes long and sweet. Released in 2010. Will need time to unfold. 95.9% Shiraz 4.1% Cabernet Sauvignon. Barossa Valley (including substantial proportion of Kalimna Shiraz), McLaren Vale, Coonawarra Blend. A good even vintage. Regular rainfall fell through winter into early spring establishing good soil moistures and dam levels. Mild conditions followed by a dry late summer and autumn lead to optimum fruit ripeness."
"The 1990s is a decade of wines now roughly 15 to 25 years old. This is the 10-year ‘time window’ during which Max Schubert said Grange would gain maturity, enabling drinkers to more easily assess its quality and potential for further development.
And, it’s true: Grange generally begins to drink at its best 15 to 25 years out from vintage.
The best Granges can last much longer – 50 years and more – but before the Grange project even began, Schubert’s stated intention was to make… ‘an Australian red wine capable of staying alive for a minimum of 20 years…’
With this is mind, the vintages of Grange likely to be at or near their very best into the 2020s are the lesser vintages of the 1990s and perhaps also the first two vintages of the 2000s – 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2000 and 2001.
The aim is to catch these wines at their best. They may be good, or great drinking, but they are less likely to improve further."
"2005
Deep purple crimson. Cranberry/ rhubarb/ herb garden aromas with plenty of nutmeg/ malty seasoned new American oak. A very elemental wine with ripe cranberry/ blackberry pastille/ fruit sweet flavours, dense, grippy tannins and plenty of malty new oak characters. Finishes long and sweet. Released in 2010. Will need time to unfold. 95.9% Shiraz 4.1% Cabernet Sauvignon. Barossa Valley (including substantial proportion of Kalimna Shiraz), McLaren Vale, Coonawarra Blend. A good even vintage. Regular rainfall fell through winter into early spring establishing good soil moistures and dam levels. Mild conditions followed by a dry late summer and autumn lead to optimum fruit ripeness."
I would say 2010 is waaaay young. Especially for a lifetime bottle of those 1st growths. Really depends on your tastes though. Do you have a preference between a Margaux or Pauillac?
What’s the oldest wine you have had?
What about birth year vintage?
As @Copper44 asked, which other years are of significance to you, Jim? I might have a few options for matured premium Bordeaux, circa 1988 to 1996.
If you wanna go Grange, and if '94 is of any significancy, I still have a bottle of the 1994 left:
If you're really set on a 2010, I'd seek out a 2010 Ridge Monte Bello cab, which you can find for only a little over $300. (The Monte Bello's pedigree includes 5th place at the Judgement of Paris, 3d and 2nd in 1976, and #1 in 2006')
If that's not enough of a spend for the occasion, you could pick up the 2010 Screaming Eagle cab for not much over $4,000.
If that's not enough of a spend for the occasion, you could pick up the 2010 Screaming Eagle cab for not much over $4,000.
Hmmm -- with your '94 and my '92, we'd have a fine start on a small tasting dinner at Michael John's restaurant during SQM 2022...
Hmmm -- with your '94 and my '92, we'd have a fine start on a small tasting dinner at Michael John's restaurant during SQM 2022...
Booked!
I was just picking that year due to the time I started paying off the debt. I am not married to it. I was using the wine enthusiast vintage chart. They say those mid 90's bottles are "past peak" -- but I assume you guys call BS!!!
Past peak for Lafite and Margaux?!
Some of the best well matured wines I’ve ever had were said to be ‘past peak’.
I have no preference because I still don't know shit about wine...(Margaux or Pauillac)
The oldest wine I have had was a 2000 Ciel du Cheval Merlot (it was fantastic)
I was born in 1975.......!!
OK. Regardless of the wine we pick....it WILL be a 2002, the year I met my wife. I am such a fool, our 20th anniversary will be one of many things to celebrate here. Based on the vintage charts, I am leaning toward a Penfolds Grange.....IF I can find one. Any other suggestions from 2002? Looks like Brunellos and Medoc were not such great vintages for 2002. Exceptions and help appreciated guys, I CAN'T fuck this up! (or, I will. help!)
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Well this one was over the hill. Bottle on the outside looked great, fill was good. Opened the capsule went to pull the cork, straight down she went. (I need that gizmo Larry posted the other day) Color looks pretty good as well. Have followed it in the glass over 90 minutes hoping it would get better, it hasn’t.
Mongoose
Full House
Bummer…. This is always a possibility with a bottle of this age. That’s one reason my philosophy has changed to drink up! That and I’m getting older and want to enjoy before the rest of my stash goes south. The oldest ones that I have left are some 2000 Bordeaux’s…
keep popping those corks @Copper44 !
I know which bottle I want. I am combining the "paying off the debt" with what happens 3 months later, our 20th anniversary. I met my wife in 2002. I need to obtain a 2002 Penfolds Grange. I can't find one online. Any suggestions? I have a full year to find it....
No, not yet....I will look into it. What are some of these auction sites?
https://www.spectrumwine.com/
Winebid.com
usually around a 17% fee on top of auction price plus shipping FYI.
Winebid.com
usually around a 17% fee on top of auction price plus shipping FYI.
Chester Copperpot
Two Pair
Having this with some filets tonight. Looking forward to this - owned by the Borie family, proprietor at GPL, my favorite Chateau.
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Catena is good. Norton is better (IMHO).
100% agree, liked it much better. The Catena was very astringent, not as good of an experience overall
The Xinomavro probably at its best, from Alpha Estate old vines, in Amyntaion, western Macedonia.
Here, accompanying game (wild boar from Pesta, Epirus, cooked in earthen pot).
Here, accompanying game (wild boar from Pesta, Epirus, cooked in earthen pot).
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Yep
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